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Nezhul wrote: I just don't like the way in wich western society develops, that's it. !
Go live in somewhere like North Korea then and enjoy the lack of the western society that you hate so much.

But remember this, There's is no real difference between society, only how the portray themselves to others. At the end of the day the rich and powerful will run everything and the rest will get trodden down, that's the way humans are (Some to a greater degree than others), no matter where they're from.

But as for saying that people who are angry need locking up... I couldn't help but notice that you seem to have been listening to 1 too many Linkin Park albums this week, know what I'm saying. :-P

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I didn't say nothing about power or how rich people overcome weak ones - that's completely ok and GOOD. I was talking _only_ about children education methods that are not good on the west.

I was talking about laws and democracy earlyer. But that's not the matter of western countryes - in fact, I don't like the whole world if you look from that point. We, humanity, completely forgot that we should separate weaklings from us, and praise only strong and active people. No matter what teir strength might be - physical or intellectual. But we, as a society, are granting equal rights to everyone (or at least we try to do so, luckily - we don't achieve much on that way). We are moving in the way, where good genetic material will be totally mixed with corrupted one, because we are desperately trying to nivilate the difference between strong and weak, smart and dumb, healthy and ill, beautyfull and ugly. The Ideal which our society is trying to set upon all of it's members is so nothing of that will not matter. And ugly, dumb and sick will breed as much as healthy, intelligent. Is it good? Well, for weaklings - yes. Actually all morals are invented by weak people who can't compete any other way with the strong ones. But for humankind? Definitely not!
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Nezhul wrote:I didn't say nothing about power or how rich people overcome weak ones - that's completely ok and GOOD. I was talking _only_ about children education methods that are not good on the west.

I was talking about laws and democracy earlyer. But that's not the matter of western countryes - in fact, I don't like the whole world if you look from that point. We, humanity, completely forgot that we should separate weaklings from us, and praise only strong and active people. No matter what teir strength might be - physical or intellectual. But we, as a society, are granting equal rights to everyone (or at least we try to do so, luckily - we don't achieve much on that way). We are moving in the way, where good genetic material will be totally mixed with corrupted one, because we are desperately trying to nivilate the difference between strong and weak, smart and dumb, healthy and ill, beautyfull and ugly. The Ideal which our society is trying to set upon all of it's members is so nothing of that will not matter. And ugly, dumb and sick will breed as much as healthy, intelligent. Is it good? Well, for weaklings - yes. Actually all morals are invented by weak people who can't compete any other way with the strong ones. But for humankind? Definitely not!
Such arrogant drivel.

You speak of humankind as though you have achieved some level of piety that is beyond the rest of us. I pity your narrow-minded ideals.
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I think Nezhul has read to much Nietzsche, who is a pretty terrible philosopher by the way. :lol:
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Nezhul wrote:I didn't say nothing about power or how rich people overcome weak ones - that's completely ok and GOOD. I was talking _only_ about children education methods that are not good on the west.

I was talking about laws and democracy earlyer. But that's not the matter of western countryes - in fact, I don't like the whole world if you look from that point. We, humanity, completely forgot that we should separate weaklings from us, and praise only strong and active people. No matter what teir strength might be - physical or intellectual. But we, as a society, are granting equal rights to everyone (or at least we try to do so, luckily - we don't achieve much on that way). We are moving in the way, where good genetic material will be totally mixed with corrupted one, because we are desperately trying to nivilate the difference between strong and weak, smart and dumb, healthy and ill, beautyfull and ugly. The Ideal which our society is trying to set upon all of it's members is so nothing of that will not matter. And ugly, dumb and sick will breed as much as healthy, intelligent. Is it good? Well, for weaklings - yes. Actually all morals are invented by weak people who can't compete any other way with the strong ones. But for humankind? Definitely not!


believe these ideas were about in 1930's Germany

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les wrote: believe these ideas were about in 1930's Germany

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Sounds similar doesn't it. :unsure:
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dix wrote:
les wrote: believe these ideas were about in 1930's Germany

les
Sounds similar doesn't it. :unsure:

i was hoping I was wrong!


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I totally agree with Shell's last post. She obviously took a lot of time thinking about her response.

When I started following this thread I was distracted by Nezhul's comments. The more I read his comments the more I thought of 1930s Germany. Actually I was thinking of a specific name but 1930s Germany is more polite. Although I don't agree with Nezhul, as a "Westerner" I respect his right to to express his opinions. :-)

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Nezhul wrote:I didn't say nothing about power or how rich people overcome weak ones - that's completely ok and GOOD.[...................]humankind? Definitely not!
Thats the most stupid forum post ever. Congratulations :P
Also if you want to reply to someone specific, than please do so in private. Thats off topic.


Shell, I told you before in chat ;-) .. a very well thought post, I think you've pretty much boiled it down, to the basics, and I feel, that theres lots of injustice in the world and in everyones personal developement, its the way we master these details. It's what makes us who we are.

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Thats the most stupid forum post ever. Congratulations :P
congratulations, you haven't read the post and now criticize it. Isn't it dumb?
I said that NOW a strong people still have advantage over others and it's GOOD. But the ideal of our moral and politics - is that NOONE will have advantage over someone on any criteria. And that's - what not good.
If your brains are not enought to follow the post's thought - it's your problem.

Now I hate Nitzshe and most of other philosofers. I don't like the methods of nacism, but if you strip it from most of the ideas like "killing everyone who are not german" and other cruel things - the CORE idea was right, and I know not many people will even bother to think of it because emitions they learned in childhood blinds you and stops you from thinking deeper than reflex disapprooval. That's not the point. The idea of leaving only strong people is good. The mistakes - is all that was any further. Selecting one nation as strong was dumb - they are the same, some strong, some not. The idea of killing and enslaving everyone else by force was dumb too, people should compete with each other as individuals, and not being selected by nation or race.
My Ideas are completely different from nacism or rasism or other violent stuff. I think, people should COMPETE among themselves by beauty, health and mind, when choosing a partner. I'm not talking about someone strong bitting the crap out of everyone around him - that's old! I meant that we shouldn't EVER say things like "Ohhh, I was fat and ugly and she turned me off because of thaaa~~~t! She didn't care aboutn my inner wooo~~rld!". I think that's completely normal and healthy thing to do! But nooo, our morals forced lots of people here to criticize the girl who did it. We, as a society, trying to go the way where appearence doesn't matter. That's because a lot of fat people, for example, have no inner strength to stop eating pizza with cola and loose weight. That's why they start pressing all others with the idea that looks are not important, and the horrible thing is that this idea is WINNING! Look ant the America of 1930-50's. People dedicated a lot of time for their looks, wanted to look beautyfull, both men and women. And now what? A lot of fat people on the streets that wear crap clothes, ant talking about the looks are not important. If you tell me they are right - go hang yourself - that's a lot more deal in the progression of the humankind.
Oh, by the way, if someone thinks that it's some beautyfull from the birth and rich dumbass writing this post - you are wrong. I leave in a middle-class russian faminly (which is, sadly, closer to a low-class in europe, because our level of life is still not good here), and I was fat too, I lost a lot of weight and still doing it. But I _NEVER_ mistook the truth, saying something about the inner world that matters. Everything matters. Too sad that morals trying to force the other way on the others.
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there are so many flaws in your logic that I don't know where to begin. first in the 1930-50s most people did not spend a lot of time on there looks, most were just worring about putting food on the table.

and as for "the core idea" as you call it , I can set a side my emotions and look at it objectively , its still wrong , it can't work and it leaves humanity with too shallow of a gene pool to survive.

its not that no one will have an advantage over another , its the belief that all men are created equal.

and to get back on topic , big the next time your with a woman, take the time to talk to her and get to know her. it helped me to have some one to talk to , it might help you.

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Nezhul wrote: Oh, by the way, if someone thinks that it's some beautyfull from the birth and rich dumbass writing this post - you are wrong. I leave in a middle-class russian faminly (which is, sadly, closer to a low-class in europe, because our level of life is still not good here), and I was fat too, I lost a lot of weight and still doing it. But I _NEVER_ mistook the truth, saying something about the inner world that matters. Everything matters. Too sad that morals trying to force the other way on the others.
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and as for "the core idea" as you call it , I can set a side my emotions and look at it objectively , its still wrong , it can't work and it leaves humanity with too shallow of a gene pool to survive.
why so? We survived for thousends of years this way somehow. So why it shouldn't be working now?
first in the 1930-50s most people did not spend a lot of time on there looks, most were just worring about putting food on the table.
First of all I should say that I don't really know US history that good, so I'm not sure about the dates. All I know that some time ago america was all about health and beauty. And now it's about food and finding an exuse to it.
its not that no one will have an advantage over another , its the belief that all men are created equal.
In what place are we equal? We are not - from the very birth. Someone's parents are rich, someones are poor, someone is beautyfyll as is, someone have to work hard and will still never be prettyer than the other. Someone is lazy, some is not. Someone is dumb, someone not. Someone's calm, someone is not. Heck, we are not equal. Not in a bit. All I'm talking is a society in wich everyone will be granted to have he's freedoms and fulfill hes desires, but will NOT be granted those freedoms and some of the goods just because he was born. Where everyone should work and compete for a better place. In our world EVERYONE can survive, even when doing nothing. Now it won't be as good of a life. But our government will still feed and protect them. And every year it becomes worce.
And not just that. I was talking about that people should choose a partner on he's qualities. But our moral teaches every new generation things like "looks are not important" or "the one that looks only on appearence of a person is a jerk" and everything like that. That's bad too.
The other thing that strongly concerns me - is where our medicine go. We save children with genetic corruptions and mutations and pathologies. They will grow up and leave this genes to the future of a mankind, is it good?! We save people who are bound to the bed for life, or are braindead - what for? At the same time lots of abandoned children leave a pretty low life, to say, why not spend this resources on them, rather than wasting them on living corpses, who will never ever make any more contribution to the society. We are not researching cloning tecknology, while every year thousends die without donor organs, thousends get killed or screwed for those organs, and criminals gets welthy. But noooo, cloning is against our moral! People who research the cure from cancer on mice get ATTACKED and KILLED, because someone thinks that using mice is against moral!
Hell, I can talk all day. Our moral codex is so fucked up, and gets worce with every year. :closedeyes:
People need to learn to love each other, before its too late. Your logics are the ones that in the end will never work. There will always be injustice in the world, and fat and ugly people. But if there wouldnt be the ugly, there could also never be beauty. It both depends on each other.
that's a common arguement, but it's really dumb. If there wasn't sick people we won't be glad that we are healthy. If there wasnt ugly people, than we won't know who's beautyfull. Both statements are off course wrong.
I'll try to be short. The concept of beauty is
1) fairly individual
2) but based on certain rules, which are, in most cases when we talk about human beauty, are about health and state of the body.
Off course, someone likes blondes, some red, some brunette - that's not the point. We don't normally like fat people or, on the other hand to skinny. Both cases is the marker of something not normal about their health. We look on the body, bone structure and other points - men like bigger breast because such women will be better at feeding the baby. We don't like scars, at least men don't. I'v heard a lot about women liking scars - maybe because this is the sign of a man's victory. That he was in a dangerous situation and survived. And maybe those rumors are fake. We look at the skin, because it represent's the health of the body in general. We look on how accurate he or she is dressed, because we want to get in touch only with those who are responcible and look after themselves.
Beauty is not abstract. It follows certain rules. That's why even when there are no ugly people around (and that will never happen, because we tend to dislike some people that look normal, and are even liked by other people, but we somehow don't like their appearence) we will still be satisfied. Maybe we won't be SOOO happy about finding a pretty partner, if that was norma. Indeed, we are glad if we find someone beautyfull for ourselves, when there are a lot of ugly freaks around. But I think that's not too much to loose.
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Ok, mein fuhrer time to get off your fucking soap box.

If you dislike earth and humanity so much, there are several other planets out there. Find a way to fuck off and go and live on one of them. Preferably one with no atmosphere to aid in the support of your incessant whining and rampant nihilism. |-)

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dix wrote:Ok, mein fuhrer time to get off your fucking soap box.

If you dislike earth and humanity so much, there are several other planets out there. Find a way to fuck off and go and live on one of them. Preferably one with no atmosphere to aid in the support of your incessant whining and rampant nihilism. |-)

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