21/36 hacks, but it doesnt give me anymore
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I'm so glad it landed so well for you! There are multiple bosses on most levels but I am working to add more boss variety as well. The boss encounters take me a really long time and I'm still trying to get through bugs/reworks. The patreon version already has a second library boss.FatherDarkness wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:35 pm This tease is fantastic. There is so much to discover. It would be nice to have a bit more variation with bosses, so it's not always the same ones at the end of each level.
Unless there is a bug that I don't know about you should be able to get to all 36 hacks eventually, some are just way more rare than others.
aah okay, thanks for the information.indyc wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:11 pm For the multipart hacks, if you know the entire "set" you simply type and submit them one at a time in the correct order.I'm so glad it landed so well for you! There are multiple bosses on most levels but I am working to add more boss variety as well. The boss encounters take me a really long time and I'm still trying to get through bugs/reworks. The patreon version already has a second library boss.FatherDarkness wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 3:35 pm This tease is fantastic. There is so much to discover. It would be nice to have a bit more variation with bosses, so it's not always the same ones at the end of each level.
Unless there is a bug that I don't know about you should be able to get to all 36 hacks eventually, some are just way more rare than others.
If the genie is saying that she doesn't have anymore to give it means that you have found all of the common and uncommon hacks (her gift excludes any rare/ultra rare/legendary)
Let me know if you have any other questions!
sorry for hte late response just missed this one.FatherDarkness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 6:37 pmOne of the hacks you are missing the middle one.The "missing data" shows you which position in the entry order the part of the hack goes.
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Why thank you! I do wish there was more discussion but I guess Milovana isn't the place for that anymore.Errant__ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:26 am After playing this way too many times already, I'm far overdue to provide feedback. First off, indyc, this is amazing! Incredibly creative, and I've had a blast playing through it. And I'm so glad that Trials didn't end up being your final project after all, and that you're getting duly rewarded for your artistry -- you more than deserve it.
Hmmm, my whole "plot" was that your computer was infected by a virus that drew you in. I guess I was hoping that it would be light enough to not require much explanation but let me know if you have ideas or feedback in what places made you go "what...?" or "why?". I always have trouble introducing or concluding things haha.
Yes, definitely a technical limitation. Even more have looked at it since it was discussed months ago without succeeding. Rest assured that no one is as irritated about it as I am. In the meantime I think using tab will work in a similar way but it isn't nearly as helpful as space.Errant__ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:26 am - I'm sure others have mentioned this, but having to double click is really annoying and breaks the flow of the game. If there was some way to substitute that with, say, pressing space bar... it would be amazing! But I figure there's some technical limitation here...
I wonder if I explained the weaknesses/preferences system correctly. Each time you lose to a girl or save her, it is a vote to see more of her attributes. Each time you delete or run from a girl, it is a vote to see less of those attributes. That is all that it is doing and it doesn't make you weaker or stronger against anything. (Thematically you are "weak" against them because they are visually tempting to you and why would you not want to see more?) However, you are correct - I need about twice as much content as the already massive content for it to make more of an impact.Errant__ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:26 am - Speaking of weaknesses, I *LOVE* that idea, but I felt like I didn't see much changing based on how I was trying to calibrate it. I assume this is mostly because there isn't that much content per level right now, so it's hard to slot in enough of the "right" stuff.
Errant__ wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:26 am - It would be nice if there was a slightly decreased chance of getting hack rewards that are ones you've received already. I've played a lot trying to get the multi-part hack pieces, but no luck so far.
- You can kind of "cheat" by using cheap or free hacks to see past the glitches without taking damage :)
When her concern gets to 5 she will cut the fight short into an autoloss. Maybe I set that value too high?
I re-read it, and now that I understand the story it mostly makes sense, but I think it's a little overwhelming for a new player. I think part of my confusion was Liya's affiliation. There's a very brief mention of why, but it didn't really make sense to me that she's part of the virus (because why would the virus be explaining how to beat itself)? The double clicking explanation is also very confusing until you've played a bit; and the stuff about program and integrity is very abstract until you've actually played.indyc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:20 pm Hmmm, my whole "plot" was that your computer was infected by a virus that drew you in. I guess I was hoping that it would be light enough to not require much explanation but let me know if you have ideas or feedback in what places made you go "what...?" or "why?". I always have trouble introducing or concluding things haha.
I'm curious -- I noticed that this (moving to the next prompt with space) actually works perfectly in the Tori volleyball game. What's the difference between that and the regular prompts? Is it because the regular prompts have two choices (type or skip)? If so, maybe you could make skipping happen by typing nothing (or typing "s") instead of a button?indyc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:20 pm Yes, definitely a technical limitation. Even more have looked at it since it was discussed months ago without succeeding. Rest assured that no one is as irritated about it as I am. In the meantime I think using tab will work in a similar way but it isn't nearly as helpful as space.
Of course, when I tried to reproduce it once more, it actually preserved my database between games... so perhaps it's been fixed. What I can tell you is that every single time I won prior to that, my entire save seemed to disappear (all hacks gone, name isn't remembered, etc.). I had to use a text file to keep track of the hacks between games.indyc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:20 pm It definitely should not be doing this, the hack database should be permanent until you wipe it yourself and I am now very worried that there is a major bug in what is a core of the game. This would deal with the saves which are super hard for me to fix! I just went and tried to recreate it but it worked in my few runs. Tell me more!
I think it's reasonably well-explained in the game -- I guess it's just a hard conflict with my strong desire to win at all costs . So for me, I was almost thinking about it the other way: if it was a really hard/tempting fight, deleting it is more conducive to winning, and so the AI should actually boost attributes of girls I deleted :)indyc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 2:20 pm I wonder if I explained the weaknesses/preferences system correctly. Each time you lose to a girl or save her, it is a vote to see more of her attributes. Each time you delete or run from a girl, it is a vote to see less of those attributes. That is all that it is doing and it doesn't make you weaker or stronger against anything. (Thematically you are "weak" against them because they are visually tempting to you and why would you not want to see more?) However, you are correct - I need about twice as much content as the already massive content for it to make more of an impact.
I tried several times to do the things I thought would anger her the most, and only got to 3. But maybe I missed something.
I got really excited thinking that what I did on the volleyball scene was a key to my problems but I wasn't able to recreate what you experienced. It is working like the other scenes to me, just without the double click needed. Space does not start typing for me, only tab like the other encounters.Errant__ wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:46 am I'm curious -- I noticed that this (moving to the next prompt with space) actually works perfectly in the Tori volleyball game. What's the difference between that and the regular prompts? Is it because the regular prompts have two choices (type or skip)? If so, maybe you could make skipping happen by typing nothing (or typing "s") instead of a button?
Though it could be shown better visually this isn't a bug. Bosses don't always drop a hack. Thanks for the other reports, I'll get them fixed.Errant__ wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:46 am I have encountered a new bug instead, though: sometimes when beating a boss, it basically skips over showing me the hack -- I see the green screen for like half a second, and then it moves on to the next stage. I believe the new hack might still appear in the database though.
Personally I'm having enough problems conveying what the preference system is doing that if I added any more complication it would make it a harder task. Based off of the encounter length might be a better option for preferences mechanically but it's harder to give player feedback and harder to code.
Yeah, I have thought about ways to list it but haven't figured out where or how. I also think people would disagree with a lot of the attribute values I decided haha.shadows wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:49 am As far as the weakness system goes, I think my main problem with it is a lack of information. It's probably doing its job, but sometimes the attributes of the girls aren't immediately obvious to me. It wasn't until i got the hack that lets me adjust my preferences that I even knew what any of the categories were. Listing the girls attributes, either before you choose to save her or after, would give more information about the system, and when you see similar attributes pop up in the future you can see the effect your decisions have made.
I originally meant one at a time but this is fine just this once to get things started haha! Well done so far. Which one is your favorite?
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