[RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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psytrancehero wrote: But i am also not 100% satisfied with the final...it's not easy to bring the video to a climax with only softcore material.
There are no cumshots or stuff like that, that i can edit into the video.
Any ideas? I really want to improve here!
Thank you for this great feedback!
I'm not sure honestly, but what has been said is good, like some more explicit material without going into hardcore, or a powerful orgasm, or it could be something not as sexual but more filled with tension and intensity, like a sexy stare that doesn't break eye contact for a long time, a close up, or insisting on a particularly perfect body part of some model, plenty of stuff could be possible to end, i'm sure there are a ton more. Could also be something that's more surprising and breaks off with what the CH was made of, like something at the end that we don't expect to see and haven't seen yet during the build up, stuff like that.

I don't think there is a rule, but the goal should be to push the player over the edge, to get that uncontrollable adrenaline rush going somehow if that makes any sense, we all know that feeling when we see it, like "oh fuck..."
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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Blank wrote:A girl climaxing is enough of a climax to me.
For me, that's true only if the girl's climax is a believable one. And way too many female orgasms lately are rather unbelievable to me. They're bad actors, in my opinion.

So it seems to me that there are a LOT of female masturbation scenes in the recent cock-hero-style videos that are simply obvious fakes, to me. I don't really get off on the bad acting and the whole male-style omigoood-I'm-coming-and-squirting one-shot type female (fake, staged) orgasm, which is a misrepresentation that seems to be getting more and more expected among mainstream porn producers. When I've been around real female orgasms, they're much more gradual in approach AND in departure; the explosive one-moment-is-the-center thing, including with ejaculation, is generally a male experience and therefore in my opinion is being performed mostly for males to look at even if it isn't "actually" what usually happens in real life. Nothing wrong with that, of course, these women are begging to suck cock or stick monster-dicks up their asses, too, and that usually doesn't happen in real life as well; we're watching porn FOR the fantasy, of course! But these new "male style" orgasms performed by females have become, for my preferences, annoyingly unrealistic and, perhaps more important, they seem non-FEMININE to me too.

To me. If you like 'em, you like 'em, and that's your prerogative, of course! I guess the best cock-hero creator would include some scenery and events and depictions that are horny and hot to his intended audience, and if most of that audience likes the things that I have described as overly fake for me, then heck, I'm glad most of the audience is getting what they want. So, I'm not questioning other people's preferences here, but just pointing out my own. Do I really need to include this paragraph? Oh heck might as well, bandwidth is almost free these days ...
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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Well, I agree with everything you say. Actually when I wrote this I didn't realize we were talking about a countdown building to a precise second to cum; I tend to dislike these. So I could have better wrote: the girl bringing herself to orgasm toward the end of the video is good enough to me.

I actually don't like any instructions to cum or reward rounds at the end of cock heros. For me these are games where the point is to make it to the end without cumming. Because while I'm trying not to lose, actually I hope to lose; and cumming knowing that it makes me lose is much more satisfactory. So at a metagame level winning is actually losing and losing is actually winning. Having the game changing its nature to tell you you are actually supposed to cum here ruin the excitement for me. Also it is impossible to make these rounds more satisfactory for everyone; I can choose any of the previous rounds to finish as I please anyways. That's maybe why I'm almost always disappointed by last rounds in cock heros; they are not done in the same playing spirit than the others.
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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(clipped greatly...)
book_guy wrote:...When I've been around real female orgasms, they're much more gradual in approach AND in departure...
pardon the tangent...my impression is this really depends an awful lot on the woman's sexual "training"; swingers and women more "porn-centered" come (no pun intended) closer to the male experience, largely our human monkey-see-monkey-do thing, just as we've seen so many more women embracing groomed pussy hair as a result of cultural influences, or how younger women and/or women more "experienced" with porn-viewing are more big cock-centered

but that said, definitely orgasm is not so centric a sexual experience for women, largely speaking (my Goddess Wife notwithstanding!), and to your point it's not nearly so convulsive/momentary as men, i'm not trying to naysay entirely what you said; rather put a finer point on it,i guess

as to porn star orgasm acting, i've changed radically my views; i used to think as you, but later in life i've realized that many people might be said to be bad sexual actors where they try to be more expressive, but "we" in general are being taught to try to be more expressive in sex, so that's a natural outcome, that awkwardness/"bad acting"; it's just that when we are with people we know the mere fact they're TRYING AND that they are in fact makes us hot, plus the different way they act sexually is anyway arousing as it's a different side, so we don't "notice" "bad acting"; with a porn actor, we don't "know" them and "just trying" is not part of any interpersonal arousal experience

now i find "bad acting" orgasms often just as good; very often, my impression is they might either be having an orgasm or want to show an aroused side, and that mere attempt works for me (not that i'm really thinking it through that much at that time; it's more like "she/he trying to act hot, if they are even trying OMG, oh oh that IS hot, why not/could be real, i accept it, now turned on," or some such in monkey/lizard-brain-think)

having watched a number of women in public places having sex over the years plus a particular women's communication evolution is what's informed my change here; i didn't do justice to that journey above, but just to mention the basis/"evidence"
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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sorry...to bring it back to relevance...i'm good with women's climaxes as the indicator; however, the porn viewer and especially Cock Hero creator have to be attentive, i think often people don't even SEE when a woman is having a climax on film, only the one or two times she acts out one

(ps - my Wife has often stopped clips at the point of a woman's climax, and that's how i started to learn when that's what is being seen on film and a man may not see it; it's simply often not the part that she's screaming out, it's how her body is moving and face and so forth)
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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servufon wrote:
book_guy wrote:...When I've been around real female orgasms, they're much more gradual in approach AND in departure...
pardon the tangent...my impression is this really depends an awful lot on the woman's sexual "training"; swingers and women more "porn-centered" come (no pun intended) closer to the male experience, largely our human monkey-see-monkey-do thing,
...
but that said, definitely orgasm is not so centric a sexual experience for women, largely speaking (my Goddess Wife notwithstanding!), and to your point it's not nearly so convulsive/momentary as men, i'm not trying to naysay entirely what you said; rather put a finer point on it,i guess
Yes, indeed, I see where you're going. The "finer point" you're making is very much worth making. :whistle:
servufon wrote: as to porn star orgasm acting, i've changed radically my views; i used to think as you, but later in life i've realized that many people might be said to be bad sexual actors where they try to be more expressive, but "we" in general are being taught to try to be more expressive in sex, so that's a natural outcome, that awkwardness/"bad acting"; it's just that when we are with people we know the mere fact they're TRYING AND that they are in fact makes us hot, plus the different way they act sexually is anyway arousing as it's a different side, so we don't "notice" "bad acting"; with a porn actor, we don't "know" them and "just trying" is not part of any interpersonal arousal experience
This is a fascinating suggestion. Your point of view is radically different from mine, and also much less sexually desperate, it seems.

So, I'm hoping I got this correct. Basically, it seems to me, that you could be paraphrased as asserting that as far as my opportunity to watch women's orgasms goes, it's actually the case that "they're all acting"? But, some of them are acting "for a camera which book_guy is not operating" (the ones in porn scenes that I didn't film) while others are acting "for book_guy's eyes (alone?)" (the ones I actually have fucked or sucked or whatever'ed). And you'd probably also add, so as not to misrepresent your idea, that the concept of "acting" is more a concept of "doing the thing that she's acting" rather than a concept of "faking it while NOT doing that thing."

Well, yeah. I can't quibble or argue. And nothing can really resolve this discussion. We're at the subtle dividing line in the Zen of Method Acting, between "knowing what you're doing" as opposed to "being in the moment." (Sorry. Did you know about Method Acting? Not that I advocate for or against it, but it's on point to the discussion. If you're not familiar with The Method of Stanislavski and subsequent generations, starting with the Russian State Theater early 20th Century theories, I suggest a quick Google-em-up. It's not complicated, but it takes a little short-hand to know what we're talking about.)
servufon wrote: now i find "bad acting" orgasms often just as good; very often, my impression is they might either be having an orgasm or want to show an aroused side, and that mere attempt works for me (not that i'm really thinking it through that much at that time; it's more like "she/he trying to act hot, if they are even trying OMG, oh oh that IS hot, why not/could be real, i accept it, now turned on," or some such in monkey/lizard-brain-think)

having watched a number of women in public places having sex over the years plus a particular women's communication evolution is what's informed my change here; i didn't do justice to that journey above, but just to mention the basis/"evidence"
Wow so you have actually gone TWO steps beyond me. First, you came to understand that an over-the-top "unrealistic" looking or "fake" looking female performance of orgasm, in a porn scene, is actually an enjoyably acted "real" orgasm for the Method-Acting-related reasons. Second, you've created your own association with the (presumably) FAILED attempt at "good" acting, in which you have discovered that you can PREFER the kitschier, fakier, sillier, less "real" version of things. And you've then TAUGHT yourself to seek out that novel preference. Wow ... How very post-modern of you. Except for the fact that I personally always equate "over-the-top" with FALSITY and therefore insincerity, I could be right there with you. Like, "Omigood lookit how that chick just totally overdoes her desire for sucking his cock, it is SO DAMN HOT of her to crawl desperate after his stinky wood ... I LOVE it." For that kind of thing, I think I AM close to where you're at. But when it's just, "Oh oh oh diddle my clit just like that yeah baby you are the BEST DAMN CLIT DIDDLER OH FUCK I'M GOING TO CUM CUM OOOOO" and the primary thing that makes it "false" appearing to me, is the over-the-topness or the extreme unlikeliness of it? Well then my association with insincerity ruins the performance for me. You don't seem (to again make sure I don't misrepresent your point) to be advocating for insincerity, by the way; just, more capable than me of suspending your disbelief in circumstances that would probably ruin my suspension of disbelief by means of what I associate with insincerity. It's me failing to be post-modern, again, and nothing wrong with your system or preferences of course.

Maybe that's all I'm missing: post-modernity of mind.

By the way, when this post of mine uses the terms "fake" and "real" I only mean them as can be understood within the context of our ongoing discussion, and I'm not meaning to disparage either side, just using a bit of short-hand between the quote-marks for clarity's and speed's sakes.

OK so this is an awesome hijack of the thread. But it is a hijack. Very sorry. :\'-(
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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i won't quote so as not to unduly inflate the hijack, i'll be very brief*, @book_guy!

i think you mostly fairly characterized/got my points, as you restated/discussed

maybe i could add that i think everybody acts all the time, and that's not some sort of indictment of humanity, rather i think our social constructs are heavily, well, constructed, as opposed to being so natural as we believe we are being (obviously that's a far larger point than the brevity suggests, but for our purposes here it really doesn't make sense to say more)

but most importantly, there's a couple points that might be misstated/overstated in your response, so i do want to clarify:

1) i misled if i somehow stated or implied that i PREFERRED "fake" over "real", but definitely can/do enjoy them AS much (that said, a well-done "fake" i know i could find better than a muted/barely-discernible "real", particularly if the fake is to a particular effect that is arousing such as calling attention to mocking/humiliation, just as, on the other hand, nothing beats the real deal even as it might be "as" good)

2) i want to stress i said above that i found fakes "often just as good"; that definitely means there's a lot of fakes that are absolutely not as good! and so i'm quite sure many of the over-the-top ones you reference i'm also not much moved by, or don't find as good

i know a little about method acting, so i get the reference, and, yes, that's an excellent aspect to bring into this, thanks; that actually makes me think even more about this topic!

(*well, okay, kind of brief, and relatively speaking at that!)
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okay brief point, too: set-up is everything. a very fake set up ("okay, co-employee sitting here at work in the office, a massage sounds good; oh, my, only 2 minutes later and now i'm suddenly so hot i'm breaking all social convention, tee-hee!") definitely detracts and will set up later fake orgasming/the like to be more noticeable, whereas a (for porn, i definitely am relative here!) "reasonable" set up or better can correspondingly make the whole thing somehow more convincing - which is a lot about that "being in the moment" aspect
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servufon wrote:set-up is everything
Generic expectations, roughly equivalent. If I see a scene that begins with boy and girl in luvvvv with puppy-dog eyes and soft-focus and hushed tones over candle-lit dinner, I expect it to look "real" and muted and heart-felt when she cums, whereas if the scene starts with her in jack-boots, bustier, carrying riding crop, and him throwing ninja stars as he rides by on a Harley with four blonde fake-titted bimbos already sucking his dick, I may expect the orgasms to be more "over the top." Then again, it could be fun to thwart the expectations, if done capably enough: heartfelt luvvv that later devolves INTO Harley hustling ...
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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psytrancehero wrote:Hi!
here is my second release. PsytranceHero 2!
Should we hope for PsytranceHero 3 anytime soon?
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basturd wrote:
psytrancehero wrote:Hi!
here is my second release. PsytranceHero 2!
Should we hope for PsytranceHero 3 anytime soon?
I'm currently gathering new material. but I have not worked on it yet...but i will...i promise.
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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Any update on this? Psytrancehero part 1 is honestly my favorite CH ever. I thought the editing, music, beats, and girls were all done so much better than part 2. Just my opinion :)

Anyway, looking forward to Part 3 if it's still in the works!
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disengage wrote:Any update on this? Psytrancehero part 1 is honestly my favorite CH ever. I thought the editing, music, beats, and girls were all done so much better than part 2. Just my opinion :)

Anyway, looking forward to Part 3 if it's still in the works!
+1000 :)
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Re: [RELEASE] Psytrancehero - Part 2

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within the next 24 hours , I will publish part 3.
see you soon ;-)
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psytrancehero wrote:within the next 24 hours , I will publish part 3.
see you soon ;-)

YES!!
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