The Post-topic AfterBurn

[Human]

Besides, women are ...emotionally more unstable and so on. ....
I think women should ALWAYS have some benefits before men, not because they are "better" (not a femdom related thought at all), but because they are less protected

In general women are more stronger emotionally. They have (or have created) an emotional support system. There is none for guys, and this is causing problems. Boys now have more difficulty in school. Girls are doing better academically. They can manupulate men better than men can women.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/MH20Ad01.html

p.s. So THIS thread is gone to deep off-topic, again with an active support of Indigo. Really, a fantastic view of admin proper behaviour... Instead of creating a separate topic and moving appropriate posts there, you prefer to ruin someone else's discussion and stay here, because you simply don't give a damn.

In this case its legit. You brought up the cow thing, and from there the discussion went on a tangent. That is fine.

[Human]

For instance, I would rather bone Hugh Jackman than Roseanne.

I'd prefer Hugh Jackman to a lot of people... *drools*

I hear he is an all around nice guy too.


Fucking asshole for setting such a super high standard for the rest of us men. Tall, handsome, jacked, talented, nice nature.
I so hate him.

[Nezhul]

Alliteration
Oh, so you think that because YOU decided to stop responding, then the thread is over and may be flooded down? Oh praise the allmighty king of forum! Let's delete all topics you lost interest in (or never had interest it) because clearly, there's no reason in keeping them!
You are seriously too self-centered.

Also, raise the bounty to $10 million, and then sure, I'll bone a (disease free) fat ugly guy.

The point is I'm not talking about a hudge bounty. For ten million a lot of people would cut their arm off. And off course there are unattractive women too. My point was that ordinary man would require quite a lot of compensation to have sex with another man, even handsome one. My point is, that for most men it's not simply the lack of attraction to another men, but the presence of rejection and disgust.

Oh by forget it. I don't have any idea what I'm talking about anyway, because Alliteration has another opinion and his views are absolute...

In this case its legit. You brought up the cow thing, and from there the discussion went on a tangent. That is fine.

That was an on-topic comparison. The discussion of intellect is clearly off-topic, and normal administrator/moderator would cut it off to another thread (as it is clearly quite interesting). But indigo here is only good for doing useless things, flaming or flooding. His only view on his red nickname is clearly that he has higher status than average user, and the power to change something if he wants to, no responsibilities attached.

[Alliteration]

Alliteration
Oh, so you think that because YOU decided to stop responding, then the thread is over and may be flooded down? Oh praise the allmighty king of forum! Let's delete all topics you lost interest in (or never had interest it) because clearly, there's no reason in keeping them!
You are seriously too self-centered.

Ok, first, I think you need to step back and take a breather. You might not have taken it this way, but my post was meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek. This is the main reason Indy, myself, and probably others have lost interest in responding to your ravings about "abnormal" people. You're coming around here and making some very bold claims that I think you know we'll take exception to, given the nature of the site. What else did you expect?

If you want to start this over, this time without making wildly generalizing claims such as "I heard most women are bisexual" and "doctors say being gay is a mental illness" with absolutely no support, and without insults such as claiming Indy is "no more than a jerk"..I'm all for it.

If however you persist...I don't want to, but I'm going to have to add on to my previous statement about not responding to you on this topic, and cease responding to you altogether.

*hands you a hammer and a box of matches*

You can build bridges, or burn them...your choice.

[Nezhul]

You're coming around here and making some very bold claims that I think you know we'll take exception to, given the nature of the site. What else did you expect?

Nothing really. But you know, I have a certain opinion and I'm not going to be silent while you praise the kinks and perversions as absolutly casual and normal things JUST to keep you happy. I knew that someone'd be against my thoughts, but I still have them. If you don't want to hear anything bad, don't want to hear statements that go completely against all you want to belive in - then DONT FREAKING READ THE INTERNET. You may be against me as much as you want, you may ignore me or laugh at me, but as long as you can't engage in a normal debate I won't back away. You don't agree with me? The freaking CONVINCE me in a debate. Don't say things like "You are wrong because It really is blah blah..." or "You are wrong because US institution said blah blah... although they may be political but they definitely say the right thing because it's a better world if things are that way"

If you want to start this over, this time without making wildly generalizing claims such as "I heard most women are bisexual" and "doctors say being gay is a mental illness" with absolutely no support

What support do you have for claiming it's not true? I tell what I hear a lot, and what I think is right. I tell about doctors because That's the official view of psychopathology in my country, and it is because I have doctors of that profession in my family. And it's not only in my country. I'm not going to go in the detailed justification on my every phrase, because it's not a political summit and I'm not writing a book on it. It's forum. My opinion is based on facts, And that should be enough for you, because if we start posting tons of links and proofs and quotes of books this will not get us anything. If you want to convince me otherwise - bring in some new facts. If you don't you may just state YOUR opinion the same way as I do, without claiming that it's absolute truth. You don't have any support to your opinion too to start with, except for your total confidence in your absolute knowledge.

and without insults such as claiming Indy is "no more than a jerk"

If a jerk acts like a jerk I call him a jerk. Even if it hurts you. Sorry.

You can build bridges, or burn them...your choice.

What can I say? I'm always the bad guy because I don't go easy on anyone to save their feelings. If you think that IS the way to state your righteousness - feel free to ignore me. Someone'll even say you did the right thing to ignore this troll, and someone'll call it running from a problem. It's your choice to walk the bridge I'm going to burn, or stay on your shore and never see what's on the other side =)

If you want to debate, however, think of this for a start - what's more natural - a man protecting a women, or a women protecting a man?

[Human]

If you want to debate, however, think of this for a start - what's more natural - a man protecting a women, or a women protecting a man?

Depends on protection from what.

Physical threats, man protecting women.
Emotional threats and problems, women protecting men.

[Human]

My point is, that for most men it's not simply the lack of attraction to another men, but the presence of rejection and disgust.

This disgust thing you are mentioning is a cultural artifact.
Like how women unexposed to modern culture might find blowjobbing and swallowing semen disgusting.

Are you aware of the commonality of ladyboys in Thailand?

[Nezhul]

And for the record, I am *not* the only admin/moderator on this site, nor am I the only one active.

That doesn't strip you down from having to behave appropriately. An administrator that floods in one topic and flames down another - is this the way you think admin should be? You'r the face of the whole site now, act accordingly goddamit. With accepting a coloured nickname you should FORGET the words like "trolling" "flame" "off-topic" and so on. You don't. That's actually a good part of what you do.

but I'm not free to make some light-hearted banter?

You are free. Create a thread and talk whatever you like there. Bringing an existing serious discussion down by dozens of off-topic or flame posts - is what NO ONE should do, not me, nor you. Take this very thread as an example. A threadstarter is much more qualified to be a moderator than you, because instead of leading the other topic away from it's original direction, he created this one.

You're free to have your own opinions, but guess what ... so am I. So is Allit, and Human, and anyone else who wants to post. Buck up and deal with it, or go get another bottle, crawl back into your crib, and shut the fuck up.

It's you who's not OK with my opinions, not me. And as for responsibility - you bear NONE. On this site seraphox tolerates almost everything that may happen. Even if someone starts swearing and mocking each other, whatever strong language may be used. He doesn't do anything and that's what I actually admire a bit about him. But you don't care any responsibility at all. It's not forced on you, and you obviously don't see a point in upholding it yourself, or else you wouldn't act like a net jerk doing whatever you want, while being an admin.

Newsflash asshole, in case you haven't noticed yet, you're a minority.

Minority, majority... I don't fucking care. I'm ME, and I have my opinion. While I'm a minority you can't even come up with a proper arguement to dispute normally, you prefer flaming a thread or leading it to off-topic. it's like "I don't like what this guy is saying that's why I'll start 2-page flame about flowers. Luckily, there's my mind twin that will support the idea!". THAT was just unacceptable behaviour for admin.
Your off-topic here is interesting, but instead of ruining an existing thread with it, you might as well create a separate one. You either didn't think or didn't want, both are sad.

The day I start taking advice on how to properly administer the forum/site from you is the day I hang it up. You're a fine one to quote "proper admin behavior".

No, you won't take advices from anyone, you know everything yourself, right?

I left the posts as they were because splitting them off would have ruined the natural continuity of the thread.

Quote 2 phrases (mine and yours, I belive, from other post), and move the rest posts, as they are off-topic completely. A 30 second operation.

And if I didn't give a damn, I wouldn't have posted in the first place.

You don't give a damn about respecting other people. As if I'm the one to say so, right? Wrong. I respect people I talk to. But you loose respect because of opinions, And I'm - because of actions. You don't like what I'm saying as my personal opinion, and getting mad at me. I'm getting mad at you when instead of protecting your views you start mocking me or making obstacles such as flood or flame.

[shell]

For instance, I would rather bone Hugh Jackman than Roseanne.

I'd prefer Hugh Jackman to a lot of people... *drools*

I wanna bone him...but ain't got nothing to bone him with. *giggling*



*Drools......and giggles*

[shell]

Spoiler: show

That was an on-topic comparison. The discussion of intellect is clearly off-topic, and normal administrator/moderator would cut it off to another thread (as it is clearly quite interesting). But indigo here is only good for doing useless things, flaming or flooding. His only view on his red nickname is clearly that he has higher status than average user, and the power to change something if he wants to, no responsibilities attached.

Why is the discussion of intellect off topic?

And for the record, I am *not* the only admin/moderator on this site, nor am I the only one active. Why do you get exclusive right to be offensive, be judgemental, and post openly derogatory remarks, but I'm not free to make some light-hearted banter?

And newsflash pal, yeah, my name is in red. In case you haven't noticed, there has only ever been *one* other co-administrator, in all the years this site has run. You know what that tells me? It tells me that I was obviously doing something right to *earn* the privilege. And you're flat out wrong, if you think I don't claim any responsibility for any of my actions. Just because I don't answer to you doesn't mean I don't take responsibility.

You're free to have your own opinions, but guess what ... so am I. So is Allit, and Human, and anyone else who wants to post. Buck up and deal with it, or go get another bottle, crawl back into your crib, and shut the fuck up. I'm open minded, and all for freedom of expression, but I'll be damned if I'm just going to sit idly by while you try to run me in the mud. Newsflash asshole, in case you haven't noticed yet, you're a minority.

[dr.d]

CONVINCE me in a debate.

because if we start posting tons of links and proofs and quotes of books this will not get us anything.

a debate with out either side presenting facts is not a debate .

I will say right now I could be wrong but it seems to me nezhul that all you want is some one to agree with your opinions and tell you how right you are

[shell]

a debate with out either side presenting facts is not a debate .

I will say right now I could be wrong but it seems to me nezhul that all you want is some one to agree with your opinions and tell you how right you are

I am agreeing with Master on this, not because He is my Master, but because of what He said is the truth.

I know I have a lot of good opinions and thoughts, but when you, Nezhul or Human is involved in the conversation, I simply don't express much, if anything, because I have been down that road of the vicious attacks, and I don't wish to go down them again.

I think you are doing the same thing to Indy, that you have done to others and I think it shows a really poor attitude. If someone says something that disagrees with you, but you have no defense, you attack, getting ugly and attacking them.

I think debates about things are good, necessary, but to get down right mean.....there's no reason to go down that path.

*hushes now*

Oh....P.S. Nezhul....I have a favor to ask. When you quote someone, especially when you go down through a long post, quoting several people.....would it be possible to say who you are quoting. If not, no big deal...it would just be nice to see who is getting quoted.

*Really hushes now* *giggle*

[Nezhul]

a debate with out either side presenting facts is not a debate

Facts may be presented without necessary posting prooflinks. Someone say that US institution agreed that homosexuality is not ilness? Heck, I believe, I don't need proof link on a press-release on their official site. The same could be done with the facts I present. You can believe them as is - it would be stupid to post lies in a debate. If I don't know something for sure it would be reflected in a way I build a phrase, like "I have heard" or "In my opinion". If someone doesn't trust some fact mentioned, or knows the fact is wrong, THEN a link may be posted, if really necessary (although again for ME in most cases an adequate contra-argument would be enough without proof).

I will say right now I could be wrong but it seems to me nezhul that all you want is some one to agree with your opinions and tell you how right you are

The good side about me is that I don't really need anyone to agree with me. I have my views and my standing on the matter - that's enough for me to protect it even if NO ONE is agreeing. The only bad thing is, that while I try to proof my position with some facts and assumptions based on facts (which of course may be wrong too), most people try to argue with me with emotions and personal unsupported opinion. "This is like THAT and that's it, and Nezhul is an idiot" - that's a silly argument I get a lot. As if insulting me as a person would proof their view.

I know I have a lot of good opinions and thoughts, but when you, Nezhul or Human is involved in the conversation, I simply don't express much, if anything, because I have been down that road of the vicious attacks, and I don't wish to go down them again.

Oh are you talking about a time when YOU started mocking and insulting me and Human despite all polite requests to stop on forums and in a PM? Such an innocence, persistantly calling someone "Worthless" or "Unworthy" or whatever it was, and now presenting it as if it's I who attacked you then in the first place? Yea, after third ignored request to stop I posted a harsh reply to you. But you did bring it to yourself. Opinions and thoughts is what I'm always neytral about, until they are not personal insults. On a polite and calm debate I answer the same. On a view on some aspects of life I answer tolerant, even if I don't agree to you. But if your opinion is "Nezhul you are worthless, crawi away from my greatness" - I post MY opinion on what I think YOU is, as I did back then, and I don't think you can blame me. We are exchanging opinions, that's it.

I think you are doing the same thing to Indy, that you have done to others and I think it shows a really poor attitude. If someone says something that disagrees with you, but you have no defense, you attack, getting ugly and attacking them.

When the heck did I attack someone out of disagreement? If you read the forum, I replyed to meaningful on-topic Indy's posts normally, as I do to everyone. But excuse me, I'm mocking him for flame and flood, deliberately started in the topics HE doesn't have a good answer on. Also, there was quite a lot of trolling in my way here already, telling me that I don't know anything, that I'm a bad person, lacking social skills, etc, etc. That's instead of an agrumetst to my opinion. So as always it's of course I who attacked Indy first, but if you don't look at it one-sidedly - for a very good reason.

I think debates about things are good, necessary, but to get down right mean.....there's no reason to go down that path.

Exactly. But I walk this road only after someone else. With a mindful person I can conversate for days until the matter is fully discussed. But here everyone just LOVE to say things like "Nezhul you are wrong but I'm right because you are stupid" and actually that's as funny that I don't even bother much. I would even say those kind of arguments proove that I have a stronger position a bit.

[Human]

Back on topic:
http://www.itgetsbetter.org/pages/about ... r-project/

[Nezhul]

Too long to read all. As I understood (in two words) that's about some organization that helps gays to live on, gives them advice and psychological help, something like a telephone hotline?

If so, I actually very much approve of it. It should be done. What I'm against is people who try to make the society see homosexuality as something ordinary and normal. It should be viewed abnormal always, BUT it should be tolerated. What I'm saying that we should learn to tolerate others anomallies and differences, STILL being full aware that it's not normal (but OK). What social groups are trying to pull nowadays is different. They try to push themselves into normal and ordinary group, abusing people for that they can't understand their way.

Also I'v HEARD the opinion quite a lot, that there are more and more gays in every generation, and that is actually the result of the general awareness of homosexuality. I.e. I heard the opinion that while child grows he mimics the actions and views of people surrounding him. Now if he lives in an full heterosexual society, he has only one way to learn - heterosexual, and homosexuality would be very rare. But the more he sees homosexual content while he grows up, the more chance he has to adopt that behaviour (we can see gays everywhere: TV shows, movies, even CARTOONS, on the street... There's a lot of jokes on this theme and stereotypes of them)...
Now I personally don't really know what to think myself. On one side the mechanism of the way child learns is correct to my knowledge. On the other hand something stops me from fully adopting this view as my own. All I can say that it's definitely has a point.