The Importance of Safety in Webteases

[Jaguar]

I wanted to start this thread raising the question of safety in webteases.

I've read LOTS of teases since I've been here, and a lot of them have potentially dangerous "tasks", yet there are only a few with clear warnings about them.

Considering these teases are available to anyone on the internet, including people who may be exploring their kinky side for the first time, do you think it's important to make clear any dangers that may be present in doing a tease, or do you think this will spoil the "authenticity"?

[dragoul]

I think even many tease authors are not aware of all potential dangers.
Maybe there should be a good visible link somewhere on the website, explaining on a maximum of one page the most common dangers. And not in the form of a long thread where the information is spread over several posts! E.g.:

Safety tips (all information is without warranty):

- (Nipple)clamps should not be attached for longer than 20min without a break. Otherwise tissue could
be damaged. [1][2]
- An erection should not be held for longer than 4 hours, because...
- Ice dildos ...

[1]: source:..
...

The safty tips page should be separate from the teases. So everyone is free to read it. It should NOT pop up in the teases. Otherwise you would see it over and over again, which would be really annoying.

[Jaguar]

This is a good idea. I thought perhaps of a flagging system where registered users can flag teases for "safety" - not necessarily the same way as flagging a youtube video or a spam post, but more of an indicator for the viewer to keep an eye out for potentially dangerous activities - might be useful.

Implementing it without bugging up the system on existing teases however, that could be a problem.

[Dominate_me_]

Implementing a cover page asking the viewer if he agrees to all the risks. A yes and a no button should be displayed.

If no, it would take them back to the web-tease tab.

Simple as that.

[dragoul]

Implementing a cover page asking the viewer if he agrees to all the risks. A yes and a no button should be displayed.

If no, it would take them back to the web-tease tab.

Simple as that.

I think this would be quite annoying. And it wouldn't explain any threats.

[novacatz]

the world is becoming too PC and people should exercise their own common sense. A disclaimer somewhere with a link to a safety page is enough I think. definitely don't want a click through each time.

[Nezhul]

Look, if someone is stupid enough to put himself in danger following a webtease - h deserves it.
But really, there's not much people who are so much stupid as to do that. If someone IS that dumb to get hurt, I believe no warning will get to him anyway.

[Jaguar]

Nezhul, I disagree - if someone is stupid enough to put himself at risk, then he just isn't educated!

I know that when I first stared with BDSM, I'd be more than happy to - example: http://www.milovana.com/webteases/showt ... 2251&p=7#t - put a pen down my urethra, because I didn't know any better. Now, I know about contamination dangers and the possibility of accidental penile subincision, so I wouldn't do it unless I knew that the flesh in my urethra could stretch enough to accommodate it and the pen was sterilised.

On a related note, I'm a big fan of breathplay (which is considered an "edge", so I enjoyed the tease http://www.milovana.com/webteases/showf ... p?id=17691. Now, this has a warning message at the start, which I think is good - is it as detailed as it should be? I'm in no place to comment as my viewpoint will be entirely different to the "regular" crowd since I've already experienced and researched breathplay.

However, my idea on flagging teases remains

[Pontos]

I do not think the purpose of milovana is to educate. On the other hand a warning or a disclaimer now and then on the first page of a Webtease wouldn't hurt anybody...

Terms of Service §6 clearly states: "You agree that your use of the Milovana Website shall be at your sole risk."

[thequeenofcunt]

Personally i put a warning at the beginning of my first tease and said clearly that it went for any other teases i did too and i think that was enough.

[janmb]

I completely agree with Nezhul here.

The need to use common sense and keep yourself from harm does go and should go without saying.

And if anything, a standard disclaimer should be used, not leaving this up to each author to consider or remember.

I recall a more specific discussion along this line a while back, that revolved around breath play... where authors were instructed to warn about this. Makes sense, but the line between that and common sense needs to go somewhere imo. Neither milo nor authors are in any way responsible for harm people do to themselves out of stupidity.

"Posts: 1337"

I must clearly be right lol

[davefrancis89]

I agree that it is really a matter of common sense -

Yes you may have never been told that sticking something down your urethra is dangerous - but in this regard you've probably not heard it's safe either; it would probably be deemed 'common sense' to at least google if its ok first.

On a site where anyone can post anything that is not illegal (in principle), it is also common sense to assume that just because something put on here by someone tells you to do something, it doesnt mean it is safe.

Indeed it is the tireless posting of warnings which should be common sense that is the root cause of some people's lack of it. Warnings are less safe than the lack of them - if things are warned about, and something is missing from the warning then it is assumed safe - if no guide to safety is provided then you are required t make your own judgments which typically cover all bases.

[isaccs77]

I am in agreement with Jaguar, and in disagreement with Pontos. I feel Milovana has, as one of its many purposes, education of the users. In fact, that is what the "random topics" definitions & the urge link are intended to do. I have learned quite a bit about all of my own various kinks by exploring the site's forums, too. All the users here, I feel, work together to educate others about kinks (i.e., the dangers of nipple play beyond 20min), technology (how to create a tease/cockhero edit), and many other topics. Why shouldn't safety be a part of it?

I also throw my backing to those who oppose a click through for each tease. I do not believe the suggestion is that the site needs to avoid legal liability by posting disclaimers to various dangerous play. I believe the suggestion is that, novice, beginner, or even seasoned kinksters could use a little education about potential negative side effects to their play.

My suggestion: the ability to link to urge, or a forum post, with a list of potential dangers of your activity. As you are navigating a tease, when the words "nipple clamps" come up you can chose to clink on the words, which would link you to the definition and dangers. It can be at the hands of person doing the tease whether or not they follow the link, and it can be in the hands of the community to update the definitions (wiki-style).

How this works logistically? I need some education on that.

[dragoul]

Some additional thoughts:

1. Some things are not obvious to common sense, e.g. not leaving nipple clamps attached for longer than 20 minutes. Not even to tease authors. So demanding authors to warn isn't the way to go. But of course if an author uses extremely dangerous practices in a tease, its not the worst idea to incorporate a warning in the tease.

2. My - and probably jaguars - concern isn't legal issues. And I don't think, that there are any legal issues. So there is no need for an annoying disclaimer at the beginning of teases.

3. I think that educating about the practices used in teases is a nice thing to do We don't want anyone to get harmed. So I still like my idea of a separate quick to read "safety tips" page.

[Nezhul]

you do that. Create an educating topic if you must.

About leaving nipple clamps for a long time - before anything happens the pain should get so excruciating that any sane man would take them off. And that stands for a lot of dangerous practices.