Chastity self-keyholder ideas

[bondageslave36]

Hey,

After years of fantasizing about it, I finally ordered a CB-3000. Now, I know I am not going to begin wearing it for more than 24 hours or so at first, and it will probably take me months to take "the plunge" and do something that forces me keep it on due to the key being out of my possession, but, when I finally decide to try it, I would like some ideas on what I can do as far as being my own keyholder.

At first, I would probably begin to leave to key in my car overnight. The key would technically be out of my posession, but my car would be parked in my driveway, giving me some peace of mind and not a total feeling of helplessness.

If that seems to work out, I would then begin to leave the key in my file cabinet drawer at my office overnight. My office isn't too far away, and I know I could get there in an emergency, but I really wouldn't be able to do much about unlocking myself until I got to work the next day.

After that, I might try leaving the key there for the weekend. The last time I would be able to masturbate would be Thursday night. I would leave the key during the work day Friday and not be able to retrieve it until Monday, where, I would have to go through the entire work day thinking about unlocking myself when I get home. For someone who masturbates 2 or 3 times a day, 96 hours in chastity is a scary thought.

If I really wanted to leave it to a game of chance, I could put a certain number of non-working, yet identical, keys in the drawer at work and only allowing myself to take one home per day. I could have anywhere from 2 to an infinite number of keys there, depending on how long I wanted to possibly stay in my belt for. I could also effect my chances by either bringing the non-working keys back to work, keeping my chances the same every time, or keeping them at home, increasing my chances of picking the right key with every failed attempt. Weekends would also add an interesting element to the game. If I have 10 keys to pick from and I don't pick the right one by Friday, I will have to go all weekend without being able to masturbate, and, I am still not guaranteed release right away the next week.

Now, all of these methods are good, but, I am always in some form of control of the keys. Once I feel comfortable being out of control for a little while, I need some ideas on how to do this. I toyed with the idea of using the mail to deliver the keys to myself. The problem with that is, I could drop the keys in the mailbox and have the keys the next day, which isn't exactly what I am looking for.

I could send a gift to a friend and "accidentally" drop the keys in the box before I seal it. I would then have to wait for them to receive the package, talk to me and ask me "what were those keys for?" at which point, I could play stupid and say, "I WAS MISSING THOSE!! I guess they somehow got into your box, could you drop them into an envelope and send them back to me?" If I was really feeling sadistic, I could add, "no rush." At that point, I would already be in chastity for about 3-5 days, and would be at their mercy. If they are lazy and don't send them out right away, I suffer the consequences.

I also toyed with the idea of sending the keys to an address that doesn't exist. Meaning, I could make up a street name and number in a town that actually exists on the other side of the country. The envelope would be delivered to the post office on the other side of the country before it was realized that the address isn't good. I would then get the letter returned to me as undeliverable. Of course, I would have to put a note inside that says, "If found, please return to..." just in case it does get delivered somewhere.

The only thing that concerns me about using the mail is, letters do, from time to time, get damaged or lost, so I would need a backup plan, but I guess there are always bolt-cutters ( ) and lock-picks. My other concern is, what happens if I am out somewhere and, "oh my, they have a metal detector." They scan people down from time to time with the little wands at sporting events that I go to, which I don't think will be a problem, but what if I have to go to the courthouse or have to suddenly take a flight... I would need some form of a backup plan in that case, but I don't want to be able to use that backup plan as a replacement of loss of willpower to move forward. How would you go about an emergency plan?

I want to know if any of you have any further ideas (or improvements on my ideas) on how to be my own keyholder without really getting a third party involved (or telling them about the chastity device). I would really appreciate your thoughts.

[Jaberwocky]

I know there is a program that scrambles photo's for a certain amount of time.

The idea behind that is: You place the key in a safe with a number-combination (more than four digits). Set the numbers without you knowing what they are, but take a photo of it. Check on the small display of the digital camera if the photo that was taken is sharp enough, place it on the computer, and let the program scramble the photo.

At this point you'll have to wait till the program descrambles the photo, wich can take as long as you set it on. (can also be a time interval)
Right now I don't know the link to the page where the program can be found.

You can also lurk through the forum of http://www.orgasmdenial.com I bet your not the first one there with a question like that.

[Jaberwocky]

http://www.timelock.rules.it/

[Jaberwocky]

Other sites to try:

http://www.shurlok-products.com/
http://keysafe.org:81/faq.php

[Foxhawke]

You're one step ahead of me, I've been thinking of doing the very same thing. Take the plunge and buy myself a CB-3000 even though I don't have someone to play with other then myself. But much like you I'm quite the chronic masturbator so a few days will probably be more then enough for me.

I've been thinking quite a bit about how to handle the keys though. My best idea to maximize the time the key is out of my reach is to put the device on wednesday night, bring the key in an self-adressed envelope to work on thursday and put it in a mailbox after it's been emptied for that day (around here there's mail boxes that's emptied around 3pm). That way the post office won't get the letter until friday meaning I won't get it until monday at the earliest.

You could probably add another day or more by not putting any stamps on it, since it should be forced through manual sorting and you'd probably have to go pay for the postage to get it as well (read up on your local mail regulations for how they handle that though!).

I've also seen several "key holding" services out there, if you want to go for an extended time. Basically someone you mail the keys to and a bit of money and they will return them at some point. Some costs a bit more where you also need to supply daily evidence that the chastity device is still on as well (newspaper + camera).

As for metal detectors, the CB-3000 itself is all plastic and you can get plastic padlocks as well, making it completely safe for metal detectors. Plastic padlocks are obviously easier to cut up as well (which may or may not be a good thing).

[bondageslave36]

Thanks to the links to the software. The only thing about a combination lock is that you can keep trying combinations 1 by 1 until it unlocks. I realize you can also just pick one of those tiny locks, but there is something about having a keyhole with no key to use in it. If I were to get one of the larger "dial" combination locks, I think that would be a little harder to break. I could lock my chastity belt key into a cabinet that is secured with the combination lock, take a picture of the combination, put it into the timelock program, then destroy the combination.

I like the idea of figuring out how long mail takes and sending something from work. My problem is, I live in the same zip code as I work, so it would still only take a single day to get to me. I wouldn't want to risk not putting stamps on it, just incase it isn't returned to the sender or I don't get contacted about it, for some reason.

As far as key holding services go, it would work, but I am trying to prevent paying to have someone hold the keys for me. Plus, I don't think I could ever find myself to trust them or their confidentiality unless I knew the person REALLY well.

I know the plastic locks are great for metal detectors, but, due to the nature of my work, I am concerned about being locked up and getting called to enter a building where I have to go through a metal detector. I guess there really isn't anything I can do about that, and I would need a backup plan in that instance.

I could also put the keys into a self-addressed stamped envelope, which I place into another envelope and tell someone to "please open the envelope and send the one inside back to me, but I would need a pretty damn good excuse to pass that one off.

Thanks for your replies and keep the ideas coming.

[toybdsm]

i have done the mail thing. It is very unpredictable.

There are a couple other really good ways to get rid of the key for a few days.

Try dropping it down a sink. Then You have to take the pipes apart to get it.
Or Through it outside. You won't find it till the next day. (light) it is gone all night. & who would see that. Or get brave & through it at night somewhere that it may take days to find it. Eventually You will get it back but not exactly sure when.
If You have a body of water near by. (A pond or lake.) But it in something that floats & through it in. You get it back when the wind decides to blow it to the edge.

Just some idea. All tested BTW & all work.

[toybdsm]

i absolutely love the begining concept of this!

[Princess Raquel]

Well in my opinion, the mail is not a "reliable" source, I know someone who works for the post office and they say that mail such as netflix and blockbuster, gets caught in the machines because of the awkwardness of the package. I think the only true way is some form of supervision. You could possib;y use first class mail being padded or boxed

[toybdsm]

Yes supervision i best & mail has so many issues.

If You can do it yourself. Hide it. Through it with eyes closed so you don't know where it goes. ect.

[Jaberwocky]

I have been searching at the forums of http://www.orgasmdenial.com, and came to these sites that offer (paid) keyholding services. (with long time members anouncing their good experiences with the sites)

In the U.K.:
http://www.tickleberry.co.uk/

In the U.S.:
http://www.badpenis.com/
(If you buy a chastity divice at their place, you get 30 days of keyholding for free)

But in general, be carefull with the keys. You can send yourself two keys, in case one might get lost. And use thick envelopes, to smooth te surface, thus less change the mail or it's content get's lost in the sorting machine.
"use a padded mailer" is a tip I found on the site of OD.

Combination lock: 1 more digit means 10 times as long trying. If every atempt take one second, 4-digits takes about two hours and 45 minutes, to try every combination. 5-digits takes almost 28 hours !!! 6-digits takes 11 and an half days!!!

That means with the 5-digits, it takes an average of around 14 hours. If you have an average of two hours of free time each day, you'll still be locked for an average of seven days. 6-digits -> average of 70 days! Somewhere between 0 and 140 days to be more precise, given that you keep up the two hours of lock picking each day.

What you can do:
Place the key in a metal box that is closed with the combination lock, together with a couple of open cans filled with engine oil, and paper money, or your favourite comic books. Opening the box by force, means risking for the money, or the comic books to be ruined. That should be enough to hold you back. But in an emerancy, you can reach the keys if you must. (with the help of a crowbar)

Together with the timelock program, that is what I would do try if I had a cb-3000. (note that you can set the program to decrypt the photo after a random amount of time, in given boundaries)

[needtono]

Hi... I registered because I wanted to reply to this thread.

I've thought about this puzzle as well and here's an idea I've come up with:

Use mutiple safes or metal boxes that use keys.
Lock the key to the chastity device in Box A at one location.
Lock the key to Box A in Box B at another location.
Lock the key to Box B in Box C at another location.
etc. etc. etc., keeping the last key with you.

The number of boxes and locations you use is up to you. How many do you want to buy? How much driving around do you want to do? You could just keep a your boxes at two locations, and you have to keep driving back and forth.

This has the advantages that you can't immediately release yourself, but you can in a relatively short time (if the locations aren't hours apart... which I've thought about as well). The idea of having to drive around is meant to be a deterrent.

Depending on how much you want to rely on your memory, there's the challenge of whether you label the boxes and keys. The more boxes and locations you have, the more you'll have to think "OK, where's the box that this key goes to?" Or on the flipside, label the keys "This key goes to the box at location X."

Plenty of ways to play. Just make sure you keep the keys in order when you're locking them up.

[Jaberwocky]

Welcome to the site needtono!
One question for you, what would keep me from from bringing along all the boxes, and try at home, which key fits to wich box?

I personally would prefer not to know when my release will be instead of knowing it will be in about three or five hours from the moment I start looking for it. Increasing the idea that there is nothing you can do.

I have spotted similar setup's like yours when it comes to selfbondage. There, a setup like that can certainly be used to good practice.

[humbled_hubby]

I am: a) naturally lazy; and b) an incorrigible masturbator. My wife/Mistress normally regulates these two undesirable habits by scheduling a (supervised) early-morning training regime (lots of stroking and edging but no orgasms) which prepares me for her teasing sessions conducted later in the day. However, when she went away on business (she travels a lot), I would degenerate into my old habits, wasting the morning lying in bed and the evening surfing Internet porn and wanking. Despairing of my lack of self-control, she offered me two choices - come up with a convincing plan for self-regulation or permanently wear my CB-3000 in her absence. To avoid the latter, here's what I proposed and built.

Buy:
a) a small personal electronic safe
b) a small plug-in power supply that converts mains to a voltage suitable for the safe (mine was 6V)
c) an electronic mains timer (battery backed-up is best)
d) a short mains extension lead
e) an extra mains plug
By shopping around, you should be able to buy all the parts for a total of less than $50.

Start with the safe. Take the mechanical keys and discard them, put them in a very inaccessible place or give them to a trustworthy person depending on the risk profile that you're comfortable with (only my wife knows where mine are). Dismatle the safe to gain access to the solenoid that controls the electronic lock (this normally just involves removing an internal cover). Disconnect the solenoid wires from the safe's electronics and connect them instead to the low-voltage power supply. BTW, to know the right voltage for the power supply, just check the batteries in the safe - mine had 4 x 1.5V batteries = 6V power supply.

Next, cut the mains plug off the extension lead and thread the lead through one of the fixing holes in the back of the safe (mains socket inside the safe). The old plug will probably be unusable so discard that and attach the new mains plug that you've purchased. Finally, plug the timer into the extension socket inside the safe, the power supply into the timer and the extension lead into the wall. Test it first before you use it to store your CB-3000 keys for real.

I actually built a couple of extra features into mine. By turning the safe upside-down, I had access to two holes normally used for floor mounting. In one I fitted an indicator lamp that shows when the timer and power supply are on (ie safe-opening enabled) and in the other a push button that must be depressed to complete the circuit to the solenoid to actually unlock the safe.

Depending on the sophistication of the timer that you've purchased, there are several ways it can be set up. The first is to just provide a one-shot preprogrammed delay. Another is to schedule a repeating cycle and this is what I use. Prior to going away, my wife programmes the timer. She normally sets it to activate daily at 6:00am for a duration of 1 minute. My timer provides a randomisation function (designed to confuse burglars when the timer is used to control house lights) that randomly varies the start time by up to plus or minus 15 minutes. So for a nominal 6:00am start, the timer could actually enable the safe for opening anywhere between 5:45 and 6:15. As a consequence, I have to get up before 5:45 and patiently watch the safe for up to 30 minutes, waiting for the indicator light to illuminate before I can push the button and gain access to my CB-3000 keys. If I lie in bed or fail to pay attention to the safe, there's no escape from the CB-3000 for another 24 hours.

Of course any system of self-regulation is open to abuse and to minimise this possibility, I have agreed a set of operating rules with my wife which I follow religiously:
a) when the safe is accessible, I remove the keys, unlock the CB-3000 and immediately replace the keys back in the safe and close the safe door
b) I only remove the CB-3000 once the safe has relocked
c) only my wife modifies the timer programme (she has a wicked sense of humour and will often programme the timer to skip an occasional day causing me to wait in vain for the safe to unlock )
d) I never allow myself to orgasm during my 15 minute training/stroking session unless I have specifically been given prior permission by my wife
d) after I complete my training session I shower myself then wash and immediately refit the CB-3000 - I still get a buzz of excitement as I click the padlock shut, knowing that release is safely locked away for another 24 hours

[bondageslave36]

Thanks for your input and suggestions. I am not sure about using an electronic safe because, well, that's just too much work. I want something nice and simple.

I find if funny that I mentioned USPS in this thread as being a possible keyholder for me, because they are already being a cocktease. I received the tracking number for my chastity belt and had set an email alert up when the package status changed. Well, I got an email at about noon from USPS and didn't even bother reading it. I just assumed it was delivered. So, I went through the rest of the day with a practical hard-on knowing what was going to happen when I got home. I couldn't concentrate on the work I had to do. I left work as soon as the clock struck 4:30 and rushed home... only to find a pink slip of paper in my mailbox that said "Signature Required, this package will be available for pickup at your local post office" Oh no! It was already 4:45, and the post office closed at 4. So, I have to stop there before work tomorrow. I won't have time to open the package until after I finish my day at work, and I have to stay later than usual tomorrow! What a nightmare! I am not going to be able to get anything done all day. I am probably going to have to stop in the bathroom a few times and rub one out, which poses the question, how will I survive if I am locked up and horny all day at work and unable to touch myself in the bathroom?

Tomorrow isn't too far away and it will be in my possession before I know it. I haven't had a feeling like this since I was 8 years old and knew I was going to Disney World the next day. Saying I have butterflies in my stomach is like saying Paris Hilton is loose... it is a vast understatement.

I am sure I will not have the keys out of my possession for a while, as it will take me a long time to find comfort in giving them up, even for a short amount of time. Once I do feel comfortable, I am sure I will want a plan on how to safely and effectively take them out of my possession while still having some form of an emergency plan. So, keep the suggestions coming so I can't keep cumming .

~bondageslave36