Ruined orgasm during vaginal penetration?

[mbop]

The shaft is ok. But when head gets stimulated against the vaginal walls - let's say there are really VERY little stimulation needed for the head to make difference between normal orgasm and a ruined one.
As I said I'll try it with fleshlight and see what happens.

Thanks for trying to ruin your orgasm. For science, of course. Maybe try an angle where the underside of the cockhead isn't touched as much?

You meen to ruin one? Not that I do it a lot, but I can eather let go completely or hold it by the shaft - doesn't matter. As I said my shaft isn't some pleasure spot at all. But it's normally easyer just to let go, because on the edge the mind is foggy, And it's easyer just to take your hand completely away.

I actually meant normal masturbation to completion. You said the head is too intense and the shaft doesn't do much, so I'm kinda curious what you do when cumming. All guys I've seen jerk while cumming they either rapidly stroke from the base or middle of the shaft to under the head or focus on the head. And yeah, the head is more sensitive, but it seems pretty easy to get a guy off by jerking his shaft. Your mileage may vary I guess.

The only good way to stay still to him would be to be tightly pressed against each other, so that while your bodies still move, they move together. That's my imho.

Yes, if you don't think pressure matters at all then just sitting on him seems the best.

As I said before, I don't think you should bother that much about the twitching against the back wall of the vagina. It's rather that every twitch thrusts the penis a little inside. It's not like it only jumps up and down. And that thrusting movement (even a half cm long) is what is to most likely turn a ruined orgasm into a full one.

I hear you, but if the head is pressed against the back wall then the top curved crown part of the head is getting direct stimulation, which seems like it'd be way too much. If it doesn't hit the backwall then only the sides, top, and bottom of the head are being squeezed -- which is still enough, obviously, especially the bottom part, but less is better for this experiment.

Say a girl is on top, all goes it's way, then when he says that he's on the edge, a girl starts making full deep hard thrusts but 1 at a time. So she stops on the downstroke and waits for the reaction. That should be enough to get orgasm, tho not enough to make it full. Off course the man should be willing to do it too.
And in the best scenario he'd be edged a bit before a ruin.

I like that a lot. But maybe, even more than that, the guy would have to help by relaxing as much as possible. He should try to hold his spasms down. Obviously a lot of that is involuntary, but he should try not to flex or squeeze it out.

Also a great idea (not for ruined) to not actually stop even for a second. Let him cum, continue fucking, or even make it faster. He's oversensitive? Who the hell cares?

See...I never got that. In my experience after a guy cums he either shrinks pretty quick, turns noodly and it's difficult to get good penetration, or he stays hard and wants to keep going for more pleasure and then turns soft, or can even sometimes stay stiff and go for another round (which is awesome because then they don't usually cum for quite some time). When I give normal handjobs/oral to guys I never stop right after they cum, I keep giving them full strokes. I learned a long time ago it's important to follow through because if you stop too soon you're not giving them full pleasure. Now eventually they do want me to stop because it gets too sensitive, but it takes awhile. In some of these post-orgasm torture vids I've seen it seems like the guys start yelling almost when they're still cumming and it confuses me.

I ment so he CAN'T thrust, off course. How do you se this? How to you fix him the way hat he cant move hes waist at all? That'd be some severe and very tight bondage. Something that's hard to make at home.

I dunno. I've seen pretty elaborate setups in some videos. But if you have a guy who wants to do this and has good control and you trust him I guess you could hope he doesn't thrust up too much. I don't think that would work too well for 99% of men though. Even if he was a sex guru I find it hard to believe he would be able to resist pumping in and out even by a half an inch or something.

But it may be that less actual semen is there and more precum. I meen that it won't ampty the balls as much as a normal one. Normal sperm may be pretty... what's the word?... pretty white, hard... more material less water in it.

Thick? Coagulated? Sticky? Cloudy? Clumpy? :D

The ruined orgasm is a bit of the other sort. It's when our orgasm mechanism is starting to work, but works halfway. It gets the kegel muscles to pump up the prostate, emit lots of precum in the channels, mix it with semen a bit... But then it goes like "What the hell? the sex is actually stopped?!" and stopps the process. I believe this is done to save up semen in the balls, if the sexual act is interrupted. Thus we get a man happyly shooting out mostly precum, and staying hard and wanting. It does contains a bit of semen in it, but less normally.

I didn't think a guy having a ruined orgasm would be too happy, only maybe in the "it hurts so much it feels good" sense. Maybe not hurts, but the lacking pleasure while still being pleasurable sensation.

The problem of ruining by pussy, I repeat, is that it actually takes very little stimulation to differ a ruined orgasm from normal. Our body simply needs to know that our dick is inside a vagina, by sensing the stimulation of the head - and then he doesn't need to save the cum and shoots it full. That's my IMHO.

I still think it's possible, even if it takes practice. I know a guy who can have sex and have "dry orgasms" while keeping his nut in, then continue to fuck. It took him awhile to learn this, and he still has accidents sometimes because his partner can't move too much when he's trying to focus, but he does it regularly. So just adjust the mechanics a bit and you could have ejaculations and a bad orgasm, surely. Or, if nothing else, a really fun event where the guy's orgasm isn't as satisfying if he were allowed to pump in and out as much as he wanted. And even that would be a good reward, right?

That may postpone the orgasm itself, but not help it to ruin, I think. The more distractions, the less the arousal. If you feel pain yur mind distracts from cumming and you can pump in longer. As well as if you start doing some math, like continiously dividing numbers. But that's not what helps yu to ruin I THINK. I'm not sure. It helps you last longer. But the process behind ruined orgasm has less to do with distraction I think.

Maybe not a technical ruined orgasm, but what else to call it? Say you jerk a guy off normally, he starts to nut, and then you smack his balls or something. It'd be better for him if you didn't do that, but he's still shooting and maybe has a technical 100% orgasm, but he can't appreciate it.

[Nezhul]

Maybe try an angle where the underside of the cockhead isn't touched as much?

I don't think it's so important wich side.

I'm kinda curious what you do when cumming.

Stroke the full shaft right up to the head. I'm cut, when I wasnt I could stroke the head over the skin. Now I can't, because the bare head is way too sensitive. But I stroke rigt up to it, so the shaft skin is even dragged back to the head a little, but with my fingers still on the skin.
I kinda like when a girl sucks or strokes the head when I'm cumming, but I can't do it to myself. It's like sticking a hand into a fire - you can't do it willingly, your body will just move away.

Yes, if you don't think pressure matters at all then just sitting on him seems the best.

Needs trying each way. This I can't simulate with a fleshlight, because it doesn't have a back wall in it ) Or at least I'd have to be wtice as long to reach it and it'd be plastic, lol

I like that a lot. But maybe, even more than that, the guy would have to help by relaxing as much as possible. He should try to hold his spasms down. Obviously a lot of that is involuntary, but he should try not to flex or squeeze it out.

that off course. My point was that a women to provide the very less stimulation, which is stopping immediately after orgasm, should do 1 pump at a time.

In my experience after a guy cums he either shrinks pretty quick, turns noodly and it's difficult to get good penetration

yes, but a guy stays hard during the whole orgasm and like a few dozents of seconds after. It's not momentally. When it becomes unusable, crawl off him and give a handjob, start sucking and licking. That's agonizing for about a minute, than after a minute or two he'll become hard again and may go for round two, which will be longer. Off course the desire of sex is gone, but if he's sub and you are dominant - who cares? It's your pleasure, he may as well fuck you second time after cumming. And cum again. Or don't if you think that's enough, he wouldn't be insistent there. Just try this.

In some of these post-orgasm torture vids I've seen it seems like the guys start yelling almost when they're still cumming and it confuses me.

that's certainly something you want to be stopped in the process, but you wish to repeat it afretwards. So get a guys approval and go through it all with him. He'll like that, probably, and if he doesn't that's at least new experience.
If he's not bound he may try to stop you. Well then stop for a bit, to skip the oversensitive phase, but remind him what you agreed to, and even if he doesn't want more sex right now you want it. Wait 20-30 sec and start stroking him gently again, it should be not that bad by the time.

Even if he was a sex guru I find it hard to believe he would be able to resist pumping in and out even by a half an inch or something.

I think on this forum there are a bunch of guys who are pretty used to denying the orgasm and edging. That's the same. If he's determind to ruin an orgasm in you, he'll stay still.
BTW just remember that it's have to be still for the full ejaculation and a bit after it.

I didn't think a guy having a ruined orgasm would be too happy, only maybe in the "it hurts so much it feels good" sense. Maybe not hurts, but the lacking pleasure while still being pleasurable sensation.

the lacking of satisfaction from it - yes.

Maybe not a technical ruined orgasm, but what else to call it? Say you jerk a guy off normally, he starts to nut, and then you smack his balls or something. It'd be better for him if you didn't do that, but he's still shooting and maybe has a technical 100% orgasm, but he can't appreciate it.

well, maybe not appreciate. But I think (remind you - I didn't try) if he has a tecknical full orgasm the little switch would turn off from "craving for one" into "relax and sleep" state. I meen he'll maybe not enjoy it as much, and continuously doing it may be a psychological torture of it's own, but he'll loose the desire just like he'd use it from a full orgasm.

[Nezhul]

Did it, all worked well.
I had 3 ruined orgasms total, 2 first were very small, Like 1-2 drops only. I think that was barely ruined orgasms.
Then I had one good ruined orgasm. And then I descided that it's enough (Relly not in the mood for a long sessions today) and came fully.

Paid special attention to the difference also - full orgasm is indeed like 1,5-2 times more pleasurable.

Now as I said to achieve a ruined orgasm in a fleshlight I edged like 3-4 times, and then, being on the edge, started steady stroking. I had to go faster than I thought I would have to, because while slower strokes the edges slipped off.
SO I found out that it's really important - the male's feedback while doing this. You'll probably won't able to achieve it on your own, but you may have him tell you when he starts cumming. Or if he didn't have a ruin.
While cock is indeed twitching, I noticed that I was wrong and it actually stays completely still in the fleshlight. I gues it'd be the same for pussy. It like only throbs, but doesn't move. Fixated pretty hard there.
After each orgasm I waited like 10-20 seconds to make sure I calm down.

Overly my experiment showed that it is possible.

[cactusman]

Does anyone think a ruined orgasm during vaginal sex is possible? I think the main problem would be that when a man cums his hips instinctively thrust into the source of his pleasure. But if you could somehow arrange it, maybe with straps and such, so that he is completely still, and his dick has NO movement inside your pussy and you don't clamp down on him (relax and be as loose as possible)...well, wouldn't that be a ruined orgasm? Or is the entire idea of a ruined orgasm while inside a woman too out there? It would still be wet and warm, but there could be almost no friction if done right, and maybe the feelings of despair of having a lackluster orgasm while inside their partner could make up for it. I think the best setup would be the guy on his back, his hips secured, and if his partner, when the moment of truth arrived, just sat on his dick to the hilt and didn't stroke up and down at all. Add in some nut smacking or maybe some ice cubes or something and I think it'd be a fun idea.

I think so, if the woman arranges to fall forward off the man's cock. See my tease Maria Pavlova: A New Experience (Part 3), for the idea used in a webtease.

[Nezhul]

The point was tohave a ruined orgasm INSIDE the pussy.

[mbop]

Did it, all worked well.
I had 3 ruined orgasms total, 2 first were very small, Like 1-2 drops only. I think that was barely ruined orgasms.

Did you have an orgasm? Wouldn't that be more like a "dry" orgasm like I was talking about earlier? That is you have had the good feelings, but didn't ejaculate.

Then I had one good ruined orgasm. And then I descided that it's enough (Relly not in the mood for a long sessions today) and came fully.

Paid special attention to the difference also - full orgasm is indeed like 1,5-2 times more pleasurable.

Would you rather have a ruined orgasm inside a woman or have to pull out but be able to rub against her belly or something while cumming? Maybe it depends but I'm curious about the tradeoffs.

Now as I said to achieve a ruined orgasm in a fleshlight I edged like 3-4 times, and then, being on the edge, started steady stroking. I had to go faster than I thought I would have to, because while slower strokes the edges slipped off.
SO I found out that it's really important - the male's feedback while doing this. You'll probably won't able to achieve it on your own, but you may have him tell you when he starts cumming. Or if he didn't have a ruin.
While cock is indeed twitching, I noticed that I was wrong and it actually stays completely still in the fleshlight. I gues it'd be the same for pussy. It like only throbs, but doesn't move. Fixated pretty hard there.
After each orgasm I waited like 10-20 seconds to make sure I calm down.

Overly my experiment showed that it is possible.

That's hot! And pretty awesome. I wonder why it's not talked about more, since it seems like it could be a lot of fun to try out for people who like to ruin orgasms. I guess the chances of an accident are a lot higher than with handjob/oral, but what's wrong with that? :D

When I'm on top and we've been going at a slower pace and my partner is cumming I will sometimes put my weight down on him so he's in me to the hilt while squirting inside -- never had any complaints about that (unlike if I stop too prematurely when jerking him off). I'm sure there's still enough motion to make it very good for him, especially when I'm riding him and he hasn't quite started to nut but he's well past the point of no return. Or our bodies are moving together here and there. And you can't replicate my clamping down either, which I'm sure also adds fuel to the fire. That would take some control on my part because it is sometimes unconscious. Do you think if your gf was milking you with her pussy like that that it would cause you to have a real cum? Or is it more a matter of degree of the lost pleasure and not a discrete separation? I'd think it'd be more a matter of gradient, but when I read about it sometimes they make it sound like all that separates ruined from full is a twitch here or there.

This may be way out there, only accessible to guys who are truly attuned to their sexuality, but it seems to me that if it's possible to have a dry (sans ejaculation) orgasm during slow to moderate paced sex, wouldn't it be possible (theoretically) to have a ruined orgasm with vaginal stroking? Probably only like 0.01% of guys could eve hope to try, but mind over matter and all that.

[RoniDev]

*blushes* sounds like fun......I for one would love to be used to see if He could keep from moving and start all over again...and all over again...... *giggling*

tie him down on the bed, so he is unable to move and then just ride him, you can ruin his orgasms all the time that way.

[Nezhul]

Would you rather have a ruined orgasm inside a woman or have to pull out but be able to rub against her belly or something while cumming? Maybe it depends but I'm curious about the tradeoffs.

if the second variant is full, I'd prefer that. If you meen both ruined - off course inside!
Also ruined orgasms are not safe if we talk about childbirth.

Did you have an orgasm? Wouldn't that be more like a "dry" orgasm like I was talking about earlier? That is you have had the good feelings, but didn't ejaculate.

Well, but there is a few drops still. I didn't supress anything it just happened like that. I think it's referred here as a "Barely ruined orgasm". While dry orgasm is the other sort of thing.

Do you think if your gf was milking you with her pussy like that that it would cause you to have a real cum? Or is it more a matter of degree of the lost pleasure and not a discrete separation?

I think it may be done withour ever achieving a real orgasm. I still would enjoyed it, especially if I was ruined a few times, but I think I'd be wanting more sex a few hours later. Also I'm not into longer periods of denial. And denial in general. I may enjoy a long teasing with lots of edging, but I always end it with a full orgasm and think it should be like that.

wouldn't it be possible (theoretically) to have a ruined orgasm with vaginal stroking? Probably only like 0.01% of guys could eve hope to try, but mind over matter and all that.

I think it is possible and I think more guys have a chance to try it. After all in our times sex without a condom is not rare, and many of us are pretty calm about kinky sexual games, so why not?

[shell]

*blushes* sounds like fun......I for one would love to be used to see if He could keep from moving and start all over again...and all over again...... *giggling*

tie him down on the bed, so he is unable to move and then just ride him, you can ruin his orgasms all the time that way.

Um...*blushing*.....if You will take note...I said..."H"e. He ties me...I do not tie Him. *blushing smile*

[Snot]

This is the hottest idea. I'm defo going to get my wife to try it with me. I was throbbing in my chastity cage by the end of the first post.

[mbop]

This is the hottest idea. I'm defo going to get my wife to try it with me. I was throbbing in my chastity cage by the end of the first post.

Any updates? I'm definitely interested in people's experience with this.

[Snot]

Sorry I didn't think about posting my experience. I'm more a of wondering member. I'll post a few times and then not show up for a few months.

I've got mixed feelings on it. We did manage to pull it off but it took a really long time to get right. We pretty much just had sex like normal and got slower and slower and slower the closers I got to the edge until I was on edge. With me at least being inside a pussy makes the edge line almost nonexistent. We were having trouble getting me to the edge without getting to it so fast that I had a full orgasm. The first few times we tried I had a full orgasm. When my dick would start to spasm It would push me over more than enough to call it a real orgasm but my spasms would also cause her to clench her pussy on my dick. It was a full orgasm on its own but I wanted to thrust so badly. I had my entire body tensed up, teeth girted and roaring as I tried not to move while cumming. This happened most of the time.

We did get it right in the end though and I had the worst ruined orgasm of my life. We had sex like normal but we made it a point to edge as many times as we could. After she got off we raged up to the edge over and over and she'd lift off me in between edges. I took a few seconds to make sure I wasn't going to lose control on the way back in and then she sat back down and we started back to the edge again. The pace was getting so slow we were barley moving. Then really slow not lifting up very much at all. Once I started to feel the edge getting closer when we were moving so slow that pulling out would probably have made me cum we stopped moving and she started clenching her muscles around me over and over. Then right as I went over the edge she stopped clenching and totally ruined it. I wanted to cry it was amazing.

We never managed to do it again though. I think she clenched down on me just enough times before I went over the edge that her muscles needed a rest for the amount of time it took my orgasm to ruin. Each time we tried after she would clench after I went over the edge and give me a full orgasm. It seems like i had to get up to at least 5 edges before I can start riding the pretty good. Once we found the pace we need to keep me on the edge it was just a matter of moving less and less as I got closer to going over.

It was really fun trying this out. Fun and frustrating. Sadly it seems to take a partner that knows you well and you both have to be telling each other what's happening the whole time, plus some luck.

[mbop]

Awesome report, Snot, I got charged just reading it. So it's totally doable. I'd love to see other people try it out and tell us what they think, even if it doesn't work (it's still fun either way I bet).

[mbop]

I'm sure it varies from person to person and position to position but I'm just curious: when it comes to edge play/teasing during sex in general, how committed does the man have to be? Can you still string him along or help him not go over if his focus waivers or his will to not ejaculate begins to melt away? I would like to think so, but something tells me it's more of a fantasy or conceit.

[DoxysTurtle]

Just saw this thread and decided to comment...

As some may now I live with my wonderful, amazing girlfriend of the past five years Doxy. She however isn't into having full control or this lifestyle fully and so supports me having a Mistress here, and in my case I'm lucky enough to belong to Dream_On for just under the past six months.

Subsequently I'm in orgasm denial from Dream, but with the understanding about my having a gf, and being allowed to have sex. My gf has a high sex drive and often it's once to twice a day we have penetrative sex. Subsequently I can admit to having had to ruin more than one orgasm by either pulling out or having my gf and I stop any movement with myself in her, so that when I got over the edge, I suffered the agony of feeling my orgasm and that feeling of release slip through my fingers. I can say that a ruined orgasm while inside someone can be extra frustrating and horrid (I really am not a fan of ruined orgasms when I can avoid them).

In regards to edging and being held on the edge from sex, with practice it becomes very doable and easily doable to some extent. It definitely gets easier in many ways with time and practice to avoid going over the edge. I can say having her orgasm on my cock during denial is both incredibly satisfying in my getting to please her, incredibly frustrating in not getting that bliss as you feel her warm, tight, wet pussy contract over and over again on your hard cock. I also have had a ruined orgasm from her orgasming on my cock, that may rank as the worst ruined orgasm I've ever had.

I truly enjoy being in denial and horny and frustrated, and so am extremely grateful to my Mistress for keeping me that way... And I don't think if I didn't enjoy it as much it would be nearly as possible. I can also admit it took time to get to being able to have sex that frequently and hold back for me, and that I still hit frustration maxes and can't do as long of denial (25 days is my current record) because of my having sex so frequently, and that I'm sure after about the first week in denial, the sex can't be as long, or as least have me going as fast for as long during it. For others interested in trying, I will admit to the extended pleasure condoms (ie they have a very tiny amount of numbing lubricant) as being helpful, especially towards the end of my denial, when only the fact that I know how bad I would feel for an unpermitted orgasm, and having a VERY understanding gf, who's willing to put up with my need for pauses and rhythm changes, give me any remote chance of not having a full release.

PS. For those wondering, Mistress often permits me a full release with my gf, when I'm allowed a release, as both my gf and myself would really miss the closeness and connection felt from us getting to orgasm together.