No sexualizing children, damnit!

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Re: No sexualizing children, damnit!

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seraph0x wrote:Now along comes a tease like the one we're discussing here. Nothing in it or around it states that the character is underage. But looking at the tease one can't help but get any eerie feeling that she may be. I've spoken to Alison about this and we developed a possible new policy to deal with the teases that blatantly circumvent our existing rules by simply suggesting an underage character without ever saying it outright.
Not sure I like the sound of that. Not because I don't agree with the moral standpoint, but because as you already pointed out, this is pretty much all about taste and how any given tease is perceived. All in the eye of the beholder so to speak. And in the cases where that's not the case, there are concrete evidence to go by.

I see no need for any policy on this beyond the hard fact of things. Laws regulate this just fine.

When it comes to the finer points of perception, that should not be the basis for any action at all.

The tease Allison used as an example serves as a perfect example for me too: I had coincidentally done that tease (long while ago, can't even remember it) and in full honesty the thought of that model being under-age or portrayed as such never occurred to me what so ever. Perfect example how this is all up the reader and not the author at all.

seraph0x wrote:I'd like to hear you guys' take on this. Again, the idea is to delete any tease that uses any kind of props (like children's toys), setting (like a child's room), accent (using baby talk), model's appearance (child-like clothing), etc. with the obvious intention of suggesting that the character is very young or possibly underage. I don't like rules that are hard to pin down, but I like it even less when teases deliberately circumvent the rules by being vague.
I don't like rules that are based entirely on the perception of a few select people. Like we have demonstrated perfectly already in this thread, how we perceive things is just as diverse as taste.
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I think its a terrible idea.

Stick to the law not to opinion.
I remember when The Kissing Cave was first released, the text said something along the lines of it being the day before the characters 18th birthday (although the model WAS over 18).
This was pointed out and the tease was disabled until it was changed and the text referring to her being under 18 was removed.
This was fair, but removing a tease because someone THINKS it could possibly be implying that the character portrayed is under 18....? So where is the line drawn? From Alisons viewpoint? From Seraphox's? From anybody elses? When it comes down to deleting someones work based on the opinion of another, and not hard evidence of lawbreaking I feel like its getting into dodgy area.

Then again, Ive made teases which feature girls in school uniforms, girls referring to the fact that they live with their parents, etc, never with the intention of implying a girl was under 18... I not sure if they would be deleted under this new rule, and I would be pretty offended if they were.

But anyway, Im against this because Milovana is about exploration, and freedom of speech seems to be high on the list of priorities here (or so it seemed to me).
Models tend to looks pretty young most of the time anyway. These days any porn star above the age of 25 is referred to as a milf, young seems to be the norm. Its hard to find pics of a woman who looks clearly over the age of 18 (as a guy whos worked in lots of bars, I know how hard it is to determine someone age).

I just want to know where the line is drawn.
What about bald pussies? Clearly anyone who likes bald pussies is a pedo, right?
So lets only allow teases which display a big hairy bush!
Or maybe we could just have a little diaglogue from the model on the first page where she states her date of birth and is pictured holding a drivers liscence as proof.
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Re: No sexualizing children, damnit!

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Well said cumhardy
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janmb wrote:Well said cumhardy
+1

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Re: No sexualizing children, damnit!

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My opinion is: I'm against child exploitation, but stories about teenage kids playing together is ok even if it's a turn-off for me personally.

I'm "nearly 40 years old", but I remember being younger and hornier and having a girlfriend a year younger than I who enjoyed playing starting and stopping games on me.

There are really good reasons why child pornography is wrong, and if there are limits on this board that are stricter than my own, because of fear or legal issues or even simply the sensibilities of the admins, I can accept that with a shrug, but for me it's about exploitation, and as long the fantasy-age of all characters (including the reader, if it's a tease) are close, and nobody's prepubescent, it's fine with me.

I do not believe it is morally wrong to go back in my memories and relive those times.
I do not believe it is morally wrong to go back in my memories and fantasize about what might have been, with the then-me and other classmates I had lusted after at that time.
I do not believe it is morally wrong to share these accounts or fantasies just because she and I were under 18 at the time. I have not done this on Milovana, but I don't think it's wrong.

Do you, Allison? For example, I would LOVE to hear about Allison's younger days... 13 might be too young for me, but I'd love to hear about when she was 15 and still giddy and discovering, and teasing similar-age boys with their extra hormones and insecurities, and I'd enjoy imagining how I'd have reacted if I were still a 15 year old boy. However, if she were recounting a story of when she was 13 and a guy was 45, then I'm still interested in reading it because I'm interested in Allison *waves* but I would be at least mildly uncomfortable for Allison if she posted it with erotic intent.

Regarding incest: Meh. I'm instinctually against it... "instinctually" means most humans are... but I can understand how some people find taboo fantasies erotic. I've also met women with VERY nonconsensual fantasies, both as victims and as victimizers. In fact, we've SEEN many teases like that; things that aren't safe, sane, nor consensual. So why should incest get special status?
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