Tags

[bondageslave36]

Hey,

When the site first launched, I originally suggested the tags for the teases. They were implimented, and they looked good, but I do realize that people are taking advantage of them and "cluttering" them. People are leaving their reviews instead of putting the content of the the teases on them. I just don't think people know what they are for, and perhaps they don't realize they will be public.

Here are a few examples:
excellent-tease, wow
fun-fun-fun
very-nice-easy-tease nice-easy-tease
if-not-doing-torment-tease

...and my favorite:
yet-bad-spelling, not-so-bad spelling-is-uk-so-its-not-bad

It is obvious that people don't know what tags are for. Day 3 of Week of Torment has a tag:
what-are-tags

I think it's pretty obvious that people don't know what tags are for, but it's also a problem that anyone can add anything they want. Is there a way to only allow tags to be added from an approved list of tags. If you wish to add a tag, you will be brought to a page that has all of the "approved" tags listed on it. If an author wants a new tag added to the list of approved tags, it has to be approved by an administrator or something like that. The beauty of doing it this way is that we don't have to start with a HUGE list of tags. We could start with 10 or 20 of them. The database of tags would grow over time as people suggest things. You will get a lot of requests at first, but it would eventually become pretty robust. You could then also bring users to a "tag" page that will list all of the available tags. They could then click on a topic and it will display all of the teases with that tag (just like clicking on a tag under a tease does now). Does anyone else have suggestions on how to improve the tagging system?

bondageslave36

[seraph0x]

I love this whole tagging misuse thing.

First, it makes me laugh, because people are always very creative.
Second, it shows that it's never about the software, but about the people.

So here is my proposed solution: Instead of writing a long help text and shoving it down everybody's throat or restricting to a given list of tags I will do the following:

1. Pre-create a list of common tags, so people get the idea.
2. Allow for people to write proper comments, so they don't have to use the tags for that.
(3. Maybe a little help text )

(There's another huge feature planned before that, so I have to ask for a little patience.)

[bondageslave36]

That is fine, but the only problem I see with that is soon people are going to figure out they can put anything up on there, and people are going to start to write "go to my website! XXX BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS! http://www.BOOBS.com" under every tease. Perhaps this help text should appear when someone clicks on "edit tags". Would it help if I were to make up a list of suggested tags? I might be able to do something like that.

What if there was a way for people to collectively remove a tag that they did not put up there. For example, if a tease says "wow wow wow yo momma wow", that obviously doesn't help anyone. What if there was a "vote to have this tag removed" button. If there are X votes on a certain tag, it is automatically removed from the tease.

Just a few thoughts,

bondageslave36

[seraph0x]

That is fine, but the only problem I see with that is soon people are going to figure out they can put anything up on there, and people are going to start to write "go to my website! XXX BOOBS BOOBS BOOBS! http://www.BOOBS.com" under every tease.

Then I'll flip a switch and only registered users will be able to post tags from then on. Maybe I'll do that anyway. What do you think?

Perhaps this help text should appear when someone clicks on "edit tags".

That would probably be the obvious place to put it, yes.

Would it help if I were to make up a list of suggested tags? I might be able to do something like that.

Hell yeah that would be great!

We need tags in the following categories:

- fetishes/practices (cbt, feet, etc.)
- target audience (is it for male viewers or female viewers?)
- toys (clothespins, rope)

What if there was a way for people to collectively remove a tag that they did not put up there. For example, if a tease says "wow wow wow yo momma wow", that obviously doesn't help anyone. What if there was a "vote to have this tag removed" button. If there are X votes on a certain tag, it is automatically removed from the tease.

If five people were to regularly add tags to all new teases, then only the five tags which were added the most would be displayed. Therefore wow yo momma wouldn't be visible anyway. The problem is the opposite case, where you search for a legitimite tag like, say, clothespins and someone funny added that tag to a tease where in reality no clothespins are used.

Hmm, I still like your voting idea. But it has to be simple to use.

How about instead of adding a kill-vote, we just modify the basic paradigm: You can add (vote for) or remove (vote against) teases. The system builds a total and only if there is a positive balance the site considers the tease set. If there is a negative balance the system only shows the tag under "Edit Tags" and you can still vote for it, but it's greyed out to show that it's currently inactive.

I think the idea is perfect, I just hope I explained it well enough.

[Guest]

Then I'll flip a switch and only registered users will be able to post tags from then on. Maybe I'll do that anyway. What do you think?

I didn't realize it was that easy for you to restrict that kind of thing. This probably isn't your goal for the site, but perhaps you should make everyone register. That way they will come back more often and are more likely to participate in the message boards and more likely to add a tease. You can still be anonymous and a registered user at the same time.

That would probably be the obvious place to put it, yes.

Haha, yes, I know that is the obvious place. What I meant to say was to make sure it was apparent, and people just didn't scroll by it. I am sure you will take care of that.

Hell yeah that would be great!

We need tags in the following categories:

- fetishes/practices (cbt, feet, etc.)
- target audience (is it for male viewers or female viewers?)
- toys (clothespins, rope)

Okay, then I will see what I can do putting a list together. I assume I may make use of the messageboards in order to gather suggestions from others. You migth see another thread from me on this topic in the near future.

How about instead of adding a kill-vote, we just modify the basic paradigm: You can add (vote for) or remove (vote against) teases. The system builds a total and only if there is a positive balance the site considers the tease set. If there is a negative balance the system only shows the tag under "Edit Tags" and you can still vote for it, but it's greyed out to show that it's currently inactive.

I like it.

[bondageslave36]

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[alpahde5]

the tag that says 'very nice easy tease' was my own tag on my own webtease, it was to complement one that was supposed to be hard and so people coming online that day could go to which ever one they preffered, bascially one had alot of ball tortue the other had none.
as for the not doing torment tease, that was also mine, i didn't want people to do that tease if they were following the torment teases, i believed that they would want to cum if they went on that tease so i simply put the tag there, however i forgot to do it to the others.
and finally the 'yet bad bad spelling yet yee haa' one well i have no idea where that came from,

just thought i'd clear that up,

but i haven't and you'll have to forgive me for this, i haven't seen any rules regarding what goes under tags, im my view i was simply offering some small information to go with the webtease, i.e the one that complemented the nice easy tease, 'was need toys should hurt.'

so to sum up, i think that the tags are abused somewhat, but only because there is no definitive controlling mechanism in place, only allowing registered users would be a good step, but my suggestion would be to have the new editer in chief phil go through the tease and put tags that are relavent to the tease, along with the author having editorial discresion on the tags.

p.s fogive my spelling and grammer i am tired going to bed

[bondageslave36]

I didn't mean to offend you by my post. It wasn't meant to put you down, they were just examples.

I was not coming down on your or requesting that you should be punished or banned or something, but, as you said, there are no rules posted on this kind of thing. That is what I was trying to bring up, that people don't know what they are for. Currently, there isn't really a spot to put up a description or review of the teases. That is half the problem.

I like the idea of having editorial discresion. If one tease is tagged with "cbt" and another one is tagged with "cock and ball torture" and another is tagged with "ball torture", the filtering method isn't effective. You can not click on "cbt" and have the other teases come up when they are all tagged differently. That is why I suggested having a set list of tags, but if that is not something that is liked, that is fine with me. I just think we need to find a way to better handle the tags.

Thank you for your input on this suggestion. Please, continue to add your opinions.

bondageslave36

[seraph0x]

only allowing registered users would be a good step, but my suggestion would be to have the new editer in chief phil go through the tease and put tags that are relavent to the tease, along with the author having editorial discresion on the tags.

Yes, the author is the first one to add a few tags. There will be tags that are legally relevant or linked to important safety information. When the author tries to publish his tease, he'll be prompted with a short list of tags and the information that those tags have to be correct. These are the ones the editorial team should check. And they are also protected from modification from anyone but the author and the mods. (This is actually already in place, try adding "totm" as a tag.)

But we can't have Phil go through every newly added tag obviously. So those have to be self-regulating and I think with the voting we should be able to archieve precisely that.

That is why I suggested having a set list of tags, but if that is not something that is liked, that is fine with me. I just think we need to find a way to better handle the tags.

Again, we will have certain protected teases and a list of suggestions, but I don't want a generally restricted set.

[bondageslave36]

Okay, I made up a list of some keywords.

It doesn't seem like there is enough room on the main page to show all of the tags. How about this... when you click on a tease, it will not bring you to the first page of the tease. Instead, it will bring you to a "details" page. This page will allow you to view the authors description of the tease (i.e. "When your wife decides to unlock your chastity belt, you are in for more than you bargained for. Only time will tell if you are allowed to cum or not..."), the 1-5 star rating, users reviews, a larger main picture, all of the tags (sorted by Fetishes, Toys and Description) and, of course, a "Start This Tease" link.

Here is a list to start off with:

Fetishes - these are things that the tease contains that you will be made to perform in some way.
Abrasion
Anal
Ball Stretching
Bathroom Control/Training
Bondage
Chastity
Chores
Cock and Ball Torture
Cum Eating
Dildo/Cocksucking
Edging
Enema
Exercise
Exobitionism
Feminization
Foodplay
Forced Drinking (other)
Forced Drinking (piss)
Forced Eating (other)
Forced Eating (shit)
Forced Orgasms
Gags/Gagging
Hot Wax
Humiliation (Private)
Humiliation (Public)
Humiliation (Verbal)
Kneeling
Masturbation
Nipple Play/Torture
Nudity
Orgasm Denial
Outdoors
Pain
Scat
Shaving
Spanking
Urethral Insertion
Urine Play

Toys - these are toys that may be required in order to properly complete the tease.
Belt
Blouse/Shirt
Bra
Buttplug
Candle
Chastity Belt
Clothespins
Cock ring
Collar
Condom
Corset
Diaper
Dice
Dildo
Dress
Enema Kit
Food
Gag
Hairbrush
Handcuffs
High Heels
Ice Cubes
Icy Hot/Bengay
Lube
Makeup
Marker
Mirror
Nipple Clamps
No Supplies Needed
Paddle
Panties
Pen/Paper
Q-Tips
Razor
Ribbon
Rope
Rubber Bands
Ruler
Sandpaper
Shaving Cream
Shoelace/String
Shot Glass
Skirt
Sneaker
Stockings/Pantyhose
Stopwatch
Suppositories
Tampon
Tape
Toothpaste
Towel
Vibrator
Weights

Descriptions - these are themes that the tease contains normally describing the pictures attached to it or the overall fantasy or theme of the tease.
BBW
Blackmail
Cuckold
Foot Fetish
Humiliation
Infantilism
Innocent
Just 18/Young
Long
Mature Tease
Mean
Messy
Orgasm Denial
Short
Tease
Transvestite

That is all I have so far. Let me know what you think about that. Please give me any suggestions to expand the list.

[dark]

Thats a lot My objection is that there is no suprise while you read the webtease. This has advantages and disadvantages.

Maybe the categories should be more general. I mean what is a punishment worth if the user can choose it?

[Guest]

i think theres to many to choose from there, having only a couple of gerneral tags, i.e toys would be better than the author having to go through a whole list of what toys he/she has put in the webtease.

[seraph0x]

That's list is f***ing awesome.

Thats a lot My objection is that there is no suprise while you read the webtease. This has advantages and disadvantages.

Maybe the categories should be more general. I mean what is a punishment worth if the user can choose it?

Yes, I thought a lot about the whole "spoiler" thing. In the end, you can always hide the information, so don't worry about that. First you get the information into the database then you decide what you want to see.

I have yet to go through the list in detail, a few things can surely be simplified (No need to distinguish between Forced Drinking Other and Forced Drinking Piss when there is also a Urine tag.)

But this list is a great starting point. Damn, I'm still in awe. It's really great work, bs36!

i think theres to many to choose from there, having only a couple of gerneral tags, i.e toys would be better than the author having to go through a whole list of what toys he/she has put in the webtease.

Yes, but when we've simplified the list and with the proper UI it will soon become very manageable. Trust me on this one.

[alpahde5]

i actually have to agree unless like you say it will be easier, it may discourage alot of authors from actually putting down whats in the tease because there are to many to choose from.

but like you say if the UI is les complicated and um.. . quick and easy to use i know from experiance that after creating a tease i want to post it as soon as i can, then there shouldn't be any problem

[seraph0x]

i know from experiance that after creating a tease i want to post it as soon as i can

Yes, absolutely. Being a tease author myself (though still unawarded ) I can only attest to that. Really, tagging your tease shouldn't take longer than a few seconds.