Is it easier to edge using estim?

[Alex69]

Hello.

Recently I’ve gotten my interest on estim revived thanks to a DigitalParkingLot video, that focuses enturely on Estim. So I’ve been doing my research to build a FOC-Stim box.

However, one of my struggles, is to edge. To control myself and edge. It takes a long time for me to reach the edge, like 15 or 20 minutes, and once I am there, all my body asks for is to cum. Maybe it is just a problem of self-control, I don’t know.

However, I’ve been thinking whether estim masturbation sessions could make it easier to edge or more difficult .

There aren’t many videos out there teaching you to edge, to be disciplined and such. And the few ones that I’ve found are either low res, or use content that isn’t pleasant to my eyes, like big fake boobs, exaggerated squirt showers, exagerated moans, and BDSM imagery such as latex masks, bondage, and so on. On the other hand, there are some edge training videos that are just one girl sitting on the edge of her bed instructing you, and that doesn’t aroused me too much.

So I was wondering if incorporating electrical erotic stimulation would make it easier for me to learn and master edging… or, on the contrary, make it harder.

Looking forward to your experiences!
Thank you!

[ventana]

You might find this site interesting. It promotes an edging device that can anticipate before you cum and stop or ruin it.

It's got some interesting reading in explaining how it works. I've considered trying it several times, but to this point I have not as I have been on the edge of whether to buy or not to buy.

Anyways... here is the link.

https://maustec.io/pages/edge-o-matic

[diglet]

In my experience it's a bit easier with estim.

If you have ever used a vibrator, you know that vibrating when hard results in more intense sensations than soft. When you get closer to orgasm, the butt muscles clench which increases the erection. This causes a positive feedback loop that increases the stimulus intensity when closer to orgasm. A similar effect occurs with automated stroking-type toys. This feedback loop makes it difficult to resist cumming with these types of toys.

When using manual stimulation, your bodies tend to increase the stroke length/speed when one gets close to the edge which does usually not result in a lot of edges..

With estim, especially with the FOC-Stim, this positive feedback loop is greatly reduced. It doesn't matter how hard you clench or squirm, the signal feels approximately the same. This makes it easier to have repeated edges with a very simple signal. A simple signal with a very slow volume ramp can result in lots of edges.

The edge-o-matic is a device that introduces a negative feedback loop. As you get closer to orgasm, the stimulation intensity is reduced. I am working on an external clench sensor based on an AS5311 sensor that integrates the same functionality in the FOC-Stim.


Additionally, the FOC-Stim has very consistent output (even across different sessions) that makes it easy to dial in the correct power level. You can play the same file multiple times and increase or decrease the power level depending on your results the previous session. It's not exact math, but you can dial in a power level where you can usually cum at the end... or not if that's what you prefer.

[edger477]

I think that answer to your question is as for almost all other questions... "it depends" and here it mostly depends to what you are comparing it. I'd say it is definitely easier than using vibrator or manual stimulation, for different reasons:
- estim has by far finer intensity adjustment granularity than any vibrator in existence (I'll pivot back to why this helps below);
- it allows you to stimulate yourself while you rest and relax your whole body, and it can bring you to edge of orgasm while you don't need to move your hands, or contract any other part of your body, and this is important.

Now, the following part might be a bit unorthodox for this site, but I'm sure there will be those who get it.

Being able to edge requires changing how you approach not only masturbation but perhaps some other experiences in your life, depending on how you approach them, and if you are being mindful while you experience them. I can give you few questions as hints.
- Do you have trouble staying in zone 2 and 3 when doing physical activity? Do you tend to get into sprinting faster if you try to run? Are you able to do short sprints and then return to zone 2 instead of "stopping" for rest?
- Do you have trouble gauging how much to eat without overeating? Have you tried targetting portion that leaves you just a little bit hungry?
- Do you go into masturbation sessions because you perceive your hardon as an obstacle, or simply to enjoy the experience and sensations? Is your goal to cum, or to experience state of increased energy, power, and life force that occurs before you expel that life force out?

Try being mindful when practicing these experiences, it is all connected, you have to learn to "let go" of the stress and anxiety that prevents you from immersing yourself into current moment and enjoying it without rushing towards some "ultimate goal", because there is no "ultimate goal", the life never stops and you never stop chasing the next thing. Learning to enjoy the chase and embracing the hustle is key to not only edging, but enjoying your whole life. When you see flowers next to the road, stop, smell them, experience them, your life is not set of goals, but the way between them.

So, if you are mindful, estim allows you to stay in zone 2, or go to zone 4/5 and then return to zone 2 :) Just be aware why are you doing it.

[edger477]

Ok, one addition to above.

I used to stim much more, but as I was reflecting on patterns I am in and connecting different manifestations of life energy in me over several years, a shift happened - I started to make my body more alive using excercise, walking outside right after sunrise, eating fresh food, drinking a lot of water, being aware of my breathing... it is not one particular thing, it is slowly becoming more aware of my life force and how my activities affect it. This has resulted in disappearance of cravings to watch porn and stim, instead experiencing pleasure and contentment when I wake up with erection, I enjoy having an erection, and its presence is manifestation of my health and power, not something I need to "take care of". It is something that gives me smile, not anxiety, and orgasm is now the portion of experience when I'm surfing the steepest part of wave, and not when I go too high and it passes under me ending my surfing.
It is state of existence where playing is the goal, not winning. Creating for the sake of creation, not to earn something. Manifesting things because I have the power to create, not to exchange them for money or fame.

[itslate]

If you want to learn how to edge, I would suggest Ms Julies teases, or my tease.
There's also Bratty Bunny's "How slow can you go" which leads to riding the edge, actually.

[bhk100]

In my experience it's a bit easier with estim.

If you have ever used a vibrator, you know that vibrating when hard results in more intense sensations than soft. When you get closer to orgasm, the butt muscles clench which increases the erection. This causes a positive feedback loop that increases the stimulus intensity when closer to orgasm. A similar effect occurs with automated stroking-type toys. This feedback loop makes it difficult to resist cumming with these types of toys.

This is really helpful for me to understand the differences between vibrators / estim, thank you! I can say you are spot on with your description of vibrator play at the edge. When you're 80% of the way to orgasm, any small twitch or clench can be catastrophic for your edging session. As a result, I've have to master the art of "start-stop" edge play. Took a long time to do but now I have a great deal of body awareness and can stop myself on a dime for extended edging (or going for a ruin if desired).

While very enjoyable, it does create a sense of stress since you have to be very aware of what's happening and be prepared to stop the action suddenly. It's also frustrating to have to stop. I've never used ESTIM but your description of being able to "park" yourself at a certain intensity level that is pleasurable but doesn't push you to cum matches what I've read elsewhere. Definitely going to be investing in the setup soon.

I also have to admit, I don't truly understand how you can be stimulated and not escalate towards orgasm. I believe it's possible from what I've been reading, but to me right now it feels totally unintuitive and foreign, like trying to describe the color yellow to someone who has never seen it before. Kind of a cool headspace to be in. I'm excited.

Thanks for your post.