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What has cock hero become?
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Re: What has cock hero become?
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Re: What has cock hero become?
Agreed! I am the same with e-stim, but I was reluctant to open that can of worms. I think we are "downstream" from the original intent of Cock Hero and should not expect our habits to define it.hosenguy wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:10 pm I have graduated to automated toys which has changed my desires in a Cock Hero.
I want the toy to follow the audio beats and no beat meter is preferred. I want no indication before a beat occurs or a change occurs.
The surprise ups my anticipation.
For us, there is the spin-off genre of e-stim releases exemplified by digitalparkinglot/numberonefan. I don't know whether anyone has released CH's targeting Handy or the other robo strokers.
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Re: What has cock hero become?
The elements of a Cock Hero are, I think:
Jerk Instruction. There must be some. Without instruction, it's not a Cock Hero. Seriously, no instruction of some type? Not Cock Hero. The beat need not be indicated solely through a classic "beat meter," of course (in re: preceding discussion); but if you aren't telling me when to stroke, then you're not making a Cock Hero, you're making a Porn Music Video or a Porn Compilation or something else. Instruction of SOME sort is required. A set of back-to-back scenes, one after another, of hot (probably porn) action, with (probably) background music, and no instruction? Why would you call that a Cock Hero? What sets that compilation apart from a ... uh ... Compilation? I think instruction is absolutely required, and, in fact, defines the genre. The presence of stroke instruction is what makes a video, that otherwise would not be a Cock Hero, into a Cock Hero.
Instruction of what type? Personally, for instruction, I'd like it to have a beat-meter or beat indicator, because I believe that if it just says, "stroke to the music," that's inadequate, since (DUH!!) it's too vague to be actual instruction, since (under usual pop-rock circumstances) that could require any or all of two strokes to a bar, four, eight, sixteen, one, one-hundred and twenty-eight ... three, nine, just about ANY number that is not large and prime. Too vague! Rather, it must state clearly, "do it now," and define exactly the "now" meaning; and it must state this regularly at each change of beat. So, IMO, a Cock Hero states explicitly when all strokes must happen (or implies them, in those cases when a given pattern is to be continued after its initial instruction). I call this kind of required stroking "explicit instruction."
I don't really give a darn HOW the instruction is delivered, as long as I can figure it out. The instruction to stroke can be delivered to the user in the form of text, auditory verbal commands, auditory sound effects (cow-bell, clack, etc.), peaks and valleys on a moving cadiogram-type beat-meter indicator, flashing lights, blinking borders, pulsating spheres, dropping balls, animated hands on animated dicks, bouncing hot chicks with floppy tits, or any other device that's clear and overt. It can even (if done carefully) be strongly implied but not particularly overtly stated, such as when a song's rate of rhythm speeds up as the required strokes speed up with it. But it must be overt and clear enough that the user can try to adhere to it (excepting mistakes, inability, other permissible minor adjustments). (The battery-meter, a single needle affixed on one end, usually the bottom, and the other end passing from red to green or low to high as it swings left to right, is questionable. This can indicate "go faster" and "go slower" but the explicit strokes remain indeterminate, vague. How MUCH faster? To the music? Does "faster" mean doubled, or quadrupled? I suppose it's ALMOST in accord with the requirement.)
Corollaries: It comes to mind, that if a user is to adhere to any instruction to jerk to a beat, then the user must know what the beat is to become, in adequate advance time for the user to jerk in a manner that allows him or her to adhere to that beat; thus, as an implied corollary, the stroke's instruction should probably be delivered to the user in advance of the required stroke which it instructs. And the instruction need not necessarily be rhythmically matched to music all the time -- f.e., voice-over, "stroke just the head, slowly grind it, now really fast ..." is independent of music but still Cock-Hero-ish, IMO, though, if that is the ONLY instruction for the entirety of the video, then I might consider the video to be "jerk instruction" but not Cock Hero. Oh and by the way, by the term "jerk," lest it go somehow misunderstood, I mean "masturbate for one stroke of your hand (or substitute, such as a toy, or your partner's hand) on your penis." By the term "stroke," well, that's up in the air -- down alone, or up AND down? Inquiring minds want to know.
We are musically limited in this community. My dream is that, some day, someone who understands standard musical notation, and the duration of notes, will create a beat-meter generator device that does a better job than the "one two three four" statements which are our current standard, since, again, "one two three four" could be four beats to a bar, eight, sixteen, perhaps two, one, or, in fact, literally any other power of two. One half? 1024? And, I'd hope, as well, that some day someone would investigate the middle-ground of a stroke -- do you do this stroke immediately, at fast rate, from top of dick to bottom, then rest at bottom (or top), then another quick-stroke on the next required stroke-iteration? or, do you have to sustain by slowing the movement from top to bottom (or bottom to top) throughout the duration of time from one stroke-iteration to the next? Quick pumps and rests, or slower pumps throughout? What about varying the speed of your hand? Faster near the head, slower near the base, or regular duration across the whole shaft? And, stroke where? Part of the shaft or all of it? All of the head, up to removing the hand entirely off, or just to full caress without departure? Is the speed within a stroke concurrent with the speed of repeated iteration (always slower for slow strokes f.e.), or is there a max and a min at the extremes? We could get so many more details in there, but mostly people seem content with "one two three four" meaning no more than four cases of "up down," leaving any other specifics to the user.
For the video content, well, it needs ... umm ... to show porn. Ideally, girls I like, in scenes I like, at angles I like, doing things I like. I am sure you would prefer what you like instead. De gustibus. Other stuff? Gooning, mesmerizing, popper instruction, hypnosis, breath play, twerky dance moves, sexy but non-pornographic workout scenes, funny asides about Batman or pizza delivery, all are just fine, as long as the main content is ... duh ... porn. At its root, the word "pornography" means "intending to stimulate," with "sexually" implied in this context. So basically, twerking and hypnosis can already be part of porn; and maybe Batman is too.
Beyond all that, there really can't be further requirements. Or can there? Can we generalize? Cock Hero is a genre of porn video in the jerk-off instructional category in which the strokes' iterations are indicated explicitly and are generally derived, in some manner, from background music (or, perhaps, from other sound or action). The rest of those videos out there are quasi-Cock-Hero, or Porn Music Video, or enjoyable Porn Compilations, or Compilations With Music, or Jerk Off Instruction, or Gooning Instruction, or whatnot else. But for me, when I see the term "Cock Hero" and it does NOT include the mandatory characteristics -- porn, jerk-instruction matched to a beat, usually based on background music -- then I don't think, "Oh, that's a novel take on Cock Hero." Rather, I think, "because it lacks essential characteristics, it is not a Cock Hero, and they should really not try to call it that."
Personally, I haven't seen any video at all, ever, that is halfway between yes-it's-a-Cock-Hero and no-it's-not-a-Cock-Hero. In my mind, the categorization is pretty clear. The boundaries of the "yes" category are distinct, not fuzzy. People claim wrongly that a certain video is a Cock Hero when it is not. Those people are wrong. They neglect the required characteristics. Their false claim to membership in the category does not increase the category's definition. It can still be a damned enjoyable video and I'm glad they made it and shared it! I might even be glad they falsely advertised it as a Cock Hero, since that made it more likely for me to find it on the internet. But it ain't a Cock Hero, unless (IMNSHO) it's got:
On any or all of this I could be wrong. I welcome amendments and discussion. The biggest bone of contention will probably be, that I'm insisting on instructional content. For me, the definition of Cock Hero requires that it have stroke instruction, and for you, that might not be the case. I'd ask, then, what distinguishes Cock Heroes from all the other salutary various porn options out there? To me, saying a Cock Hero can do without instruction is like saying a Mystery Novel can do without a mystery -- that was the whole point! Now, sure, there are plenty of Mystery Novels whose larger focus is character development or historical fiction or elves and dwarves or a romance between two lovers, and the mystery element takes a back seat to all that; but there still has to be a little bit of actual mystery in there, or it's not a Mystery Novel. And there are maybe two or three decent novels that have mysteries in them which turn out to be not very mysterious at all; these,too, are still Mystery Novels, because we THOUGHT there was a mystery. I wonder if you could make a parallel situation with a Cock Hero video? I encourage you to try! Generally, though, when talking of generic expectations in this particular genre, I believe that people seeking out Mystery Novels would be disappointed to find something labeled Mystery Novel which nevertheless lacked some sort of solving of some sort of mysterious problem, probably a crime, probably with a detective or two or similar. Likewise, I believe that people seeking out Cock Hero videos would be disappointed to find something labeled Cock Hero but lacking instructional content. That's what the terminology means, I think. That's what the expectations are, I think.
So, if it has all three of porn, instruction, beat to music? It's definitely a Cock Hero! If it lacks instruction? No, without instruction it's not a Cock Hero, for me. What about the others: If it lacks porn? It's really not a Cock Hero. If it lacks music? It's probably not a Cock Hero, but it could be one. If it lacks a link between background music and the beat? It could be a Cock Hero, technically; but from all the ones like this that I've seen, it's a pretty poor one, since it's a mind-boggling-ly unenjoyable challenge to try to stroke to one beat while hearing another. If it lacks straight porn content? Sure, it's a gay Cock Hero! If it lacks Veronica Leal? It's a boring Cock Hero! If it has Veronica Leal? It's an EXCELLENT Cock Hero! See how it works? (Except on Veronica Leal, of course ... you can replace her with Adriana Chechik once in a while ... .)
I do admit, terminologies and expectations morph over time. If they some day morph to the point that Cock Heroes no longer require instructional content; or, if you'd like to claim, they already have morphed; well, let me know, that I'm behind the times, and I'll just have to accept fuddy-duddy status. But you'll have to convince me that you are the arbiter of what is behind or ahead of the times. The past has been defined. It's there and not going anywhere. In the past, initially, Cock Heroes all included stroke instruction. Now, whether or not the genre has moved on from its past will always be a question up for debate. I think it hasn't, yet, not on the subject of instruction. In fact, I pretty much think it CAN'T morph from requires-instruction to lacks-instruction. A Cock Hero still must have jerk instruction, IMNSHO; convince me I'm wrong.
Also, there are a few other, very worthwhile, topics bounding about in this particular thread. I just thought I'd address this one main topic, of the definition of Cock Hero, though you should feel free to continue to discuss the others as well.
- Porn Video
- Explicit Jerk Instruction
- Often to a Musical Beat
Jerk Instruction. There must be some. Without instruction, it's not a Cock Hero. Seriously, no instruction of some type? Not Cock Hero. The beat need not be indicated solely through a classic "beat meter," of course (in re: preceding discussion); but if you aren't telling me when to stroke, then you're not making a Cock Hero, you're making a Porn Music Video or a Porn Compilation or something else. Instruction of SOME sort is required. A set of back-to-back scenes, one after another, of hot (probably porn) action, with (probably) background music, and no instruction? Why would you call that a Cock Hero? What sets that compilation apart from a ... uh ... Compilation? I think instruction is absolutely required, and, in fact, defines the genre. The presence of stroke instruction is what makes a video, that otherwise would not be a Cock Hero, into a Cock Hero.
Instruction of what type? Personally, for instruction, I'd like it to have a beat-meter or beat indicator, because I believe that if it just says, "stroke to the music," that's inadequate, since (DUH!!) it's too vague to be actual instruction, since (under usual pop-rock circumstances) that could require any or all of two strokes to a bar, four, eight, sixteen, one, one-hundred and twenty-eight ... three, nine, just about ANY number that is not large and prime. Too vague! Rather, it must state clearly, "do it now," and define exactly the "now" meaning; and it must state this regularly at each change of beat. So, IMO, a Cock Hero states explicitly when all strokes must happen (or implies them, in those cases when a given pattern is to be continued after its initial instruction). I call this kind of required stroking "explicit instruction."
I don't really give a darn HOW the instruction is delivered, as long as I can figure it out. The instruction to stroke can be delivered to the user in the form of text, auditory verbal commands, auditory sound effects (cow-bell, clack, etc.), peaks and valleys on a moving cadiogram-type beat-meter indicator, flashing lights, blinking borders, pulsating spheres, dropping balls, animated hands on animated dicks, bouncing hot chicks with floppy tits, or any other device that's clear and overt. It can even (if done carefully) be strongly implied but not particularly overtly stated, such as when a song's rate of rhythm speeds up as the required strokes speed up with it. But it must be overt and clear enough that the user can try to adhere to it (excepting mistakes, inability, other permissible minor adjustments). (The battery-meter, a single needle affixed on one end, usually the bottom, and the other end passing from red to green or low to high as it swings left to right, is questionable. This can indicate "go faster" and "go slower" but the explicit strokes remain indeterminate, vague. How MUCH faster? To the music? Does "faster" mean doubled, or quadrupled? I suppose it's ALMOST in accord with the requirement.)
Corollaries: It comes to mind, that if a user is to adhere to any instruction to jerk to a beat, then the user must know what the beat is to become, in adequate advance time for the user to jerk in a manner that allows him or her to adhere to that beat; thus, as an implied corollary, the stroke's instruction should probably be delivered to the user in advance of the required stroke which it instructs. And the instruction need not necessarily be rhythmically matched to music all the time -- f.e., voice-over, "stroke just the head, slowly grind it, now really fast ..." is independent of music but still Cock-Hero-ish, IMO, though, if that is the ONLY instruction for the entirety of the video, then I might consider the video to be "jerk instruction" but not Cock Hero. Oh and by the way, by the term "jerk," lest it go somehow misunderstood, I mean "masturbate for one stroke of your hand (or substitute, such as a toy, or your partner's hand) on your penis." By the term "stroke," well, that's up in the air -- down alone, or up AND down? Inquiring minds want to know.
We are musically limited in this community. My dream is that, some day, someone who understands standard musical notation, and the duration of notes, will create a beat-meter generator device that does a better job than the "one two three four" statements which are our current standard, since, again, "one two three four" could be four beats to a bar, eight, sixteen, perhaps two, one, or, in fact, literally any other power of two. One half? 1024? And, I'd hope, as well, that some day someone would investigate the middle-ground of a stroke -- do you do this stroke immediately, at fast rate, from top of dick to bottom, then rest at bottom (or top), then another quick-stroke on the next required stroke-iteration? or, do you have to sustain by slowing the movement from top to bottom (or bottom to top) throughout the duration of time from one stroke-iteration to the next? Quick pumps and rests, or slower pumps throughout? What about varying the speed of your hand? Faster near the head, slower near the base, or regular duration across the whole shaft? And, stroke where? Part of the shaft or all of it? All of the head, up to removing the hand entirely off, or just to full caress without departure? Is the speed within a stroke concurrent with the speed of repeated iteration (always slower for slow strokes f.e.), or is there a max and a min at the extremes? We could get so many more details in there, but mostly people seem content with "one two three four" meaning no more than four cases of "up down," leaving any other specifics to the user.
For the video content, well, it needs ... umm ... to show porn. Ideally, girls I like, in scenes I like, at angles I like, doing things I like. I am sure you would prefer what you like instead. De gustibus. Other stuff? Gooning, mesmerizing, popper instruction, hypnosis, breath play, twerky dance moves, sexy but non-pornographic workout scenes, funny asides about Batman or pizza delivery, all are just fine, as long as the main content is ... duh ... porn. At its root, the word "pornography" means "intending to stimulate," with "sexually" implied in this context. So basically, twerking and hypnosis can already be part of porn; and maybe Batman is too.
Beyond all that, there really can't be further requirements. Or can there? Can we generalize? Cock Hero is a genre of porn video in the jerk-off instructional category in which the strokes' iterations are indicated explicitly and are generally derived, in some manner, from background music (or, perhaps, from other sound or action). The rest of those videos out there are quasi-Cock-Hero, or Porn Music Video, or enjoyable Porn Compilations, or Compilations With Music, or Jerk Off Instruction, or Gooning Instruction, or whatnot else. But for me, when I see the term "Cock Hero" and it does NOT include the mandatory characteristics -- porn, jerk-instruction matched to a beat, usually based on background music -- then I don't think, "Oh, that's a novel take on Cock Hero." Rather, I think, "because it lacks essential characteristics, it is not a Cock Hero, and they should really not try to call it that."
Personally, I haven't seen any video at all, ever, that is halfway between yes-it's-a-Cock-Hero and no-it's-not-a-Cock-Hero. In my mind, the categorization is pretty clear. The boundaries of the "yes" category are distinct, not fuzzy. People claim wrongly that a certain video is a Cock Hero when it is not. Those people are wrong. They neglect the required characteristics. Their false claim to membership in the category does not increase the category's definition. It can still be a damned enjoyable video and I'm glad they made it and shared it! I might even be glad they falsely advertised it as a Cock Hero, since that made it more likely for me to find it on the internet. But it ain't a Cock Hero, unless (IMNSHO) it's got:
- Porn Video
- Explicit Jerk Instruction
- Often to a Musical Beat
On any or all of this I could be wrong. I welcome amendments and discussion. The biggest bone of contention will probably be, that I'm insisting on instructional content. For me, the definition of Cock Hero requires that it have stroke instruction, and for you, that might not be the case. I'd ask, then, what distinguishes Cock Heroes from all the other salutary various porn options out there? To me, saying a Cock Hero can do without instruction is like saying a Mystery Novel can do without a mystery -- that was the whole point! Now, sure, there are plenty of Mystery Novels whose larger focus is character development or historical fiction or elves and dwarves or a romance between two lovers, and the mystery element takes a back seat to all that; but there still has to be a little bit of actual mystery in there, or it's not a Mystery Novel. And there are maybe two or three decent novels that have mysteries in them which turn out to be not very mysterious at all; these,too, are still Mystery Novels, because we THOUGHT there was a mystery. I wonder if you could make a parallel situation with a Cock Hero video? I encourage you to try! Generally, though, when talking of generic expectations in this particular genre, I believe that people seeking out Mystery Novels would be disappointed to find something labeled Mystery Novel which nevertheless lacked some sort of solving of some sort of mysterious problem, probably a crime, probably with a detective or two or similar. Likewise, I believe that people seeking out Cock Hero videos would be disappointed to find something labeled Cock Hero but lacking instructional content. That's what the terminology means, I think. That's what the expectations are, I think.
So, if it has all three of porn, instruction, beat to music? It's definitely a Cock Hero! If it lacks instruction? No, without instruction it's not a Cock Hero, for me. What about the others: If it lacks porn? It's really not a Cock Hero. If it lacks music? It's probably not a Cock Hero, but it could be one. If it lacks a link between background music and the beat? It could be a Cock Hero, technically; but from all the ones like this that I've seen, it's a pretty poor one, since it's a mind-boggling-ly unenjoyable challenge to try to stroke to one beat while hearing another. If it lacks straight porn content? Sure, it's a gay Cock Hero! If it lacks Veronica Leal? It's a boring Cock Hero! If it has Veronica Leal? It's an EXCELLENT Cock Hero! See how it works? (Except on Veronica Leal, of course ... you can replace her with Adriana Chechik once in a while ...
.)I do admit, terminologies and expectations morph over time. If they some day morph to the point that Cock Heroes no longer require instructional content; or, if you'd like to claim, they already have morphed; well, let me know, that I'm behind the times, and I'll just have to accept fuddy-duddy status. But you'll have to convince me that you are the arbiter of what is behind or ahead of the times. The past has been defined. It's there and not going anywhere. In the past, initially, Cock Heroes all included stroke instruction. Now, whether or not the genre has moved on from its past will always be a question up for debate. I think it hasn't, yet, not on the subject of instruction. In fact, I pretty much think it CAN'T morph from requires-instruction to lacks-instruction. A Cock Hero still must have jerk instruction, IMNSHO; convince me I'm wrong.
Also, there are a few other, very worthwhile, topics bounding about in this particular thread. I just thought I'd address this one main topic, of the definition of Cock Hero, though you should feel free to continue to discuss the others as well.
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Re: What has cock hero become?
I agree that a beat run along the bottom or side isn’t necessarily a defining answer to a cock hero.
If there isn’t a visual then you move to an auditory beat over the music way more than needed.
If it’s less then it become a PMV.
That’s why I think a beat bar is key for “competitive “ type cock hero’s.
A great cock hero is about matching the beats and holding a good changing rhythm and variety of strokes. So you stay challenged and aroused.
If there isn’t a visual then you move to an auditory beat over the music way more than needed.
If it’s less then it become a PMV.
That’s why I think a beat bar is key for “competitive “ type cock hero’s.
A great cock hero is about matching the beats and holding a good changing rhythm and variety of strokes. So you stay challenged and aroused.
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Re: What has cock hero become?
I think about it this way. If they had released a "guitar hero" game with no notes or tracks, it just said "do whatever you want with the plastic guitar", people would have gone ballistic saying "this isn't guitar hero, this is just a media player with a preset list of songs you lazy fucks".
When I made my two cock heros it took as long if not longer to create the the beat patterns/visualizations. I literally used by hand created guitar hero note tracks to pay homage to guitar hero. I feel like it's a disservice when you call a pmv a cock hero because while it still takes effort, theres a whole level of effort that is being bypassed.
When I made my two cock heros it took as long if not longer to create the the beat patterns/visualizations. I literally used by hand created guitar hero note tracks to pay homage to guitar hero. I feel like it's a disservice when you call a pmv a cock hero because while it still takes effort, theres a whole level of effort that is being bypassed.
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Re: What has cock hero become?
I agree with book_guy.
Would you call the Portal game an FPS?
It is first person.
It built with the Source engine as Counter Strike: Source and Team Fortress 2.
You have a (portal) gun.
You can kill robots with it. (Drop them from height)
They shoot at you.
It is really close, but no, since the focus is not on killing the enemy but rather on solving puzzles..
Same should be true with cock heroes.
If you move the focus, it might no longer be a cock hero, eventhough all the requirements are present.
I think a cock hero should use the aforementioned tools to create a game like experience/challenge.
And the question should be: Can you watch this video till the end, while stroking in a specified speed?
And the answer might be easily or can be hardly, it doesn't matter, until the main focus/intention remains.
You might add some storyline, different material, some extra instructions but the internetion should be the same.
If your videos focus is to tell a story or give an audio visual experience and uses these tools, it might no longer be a cockhero.
Superhot is called an FPS, but for me that's an outlier as well.
So I do not think it is that big of an issue to call it cock hero if the cornerstones are there, but you lost focus.
At the same time we should refrain from it, if the focus is changed.
Metronome JOIs could be called cock heroes, porn check, there are explicit instructions, you can add music and the metronome gives you a beat. But they're not since the intention is similar, they are not the same.
Just like Tomb Raider does not call themselves a TPS, but rather an action adventure game.
Edit: I just noticed, this is a 3 years old revived topic
But I would even restrict it a bit more.book_guy wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:47 pm But it ain't a Cock Hero, unless (IMNSHO) it's got:
- Porn Video
- Explicit Jerk Instruction
- Often to a Musical Beat
Would you call the Portal game an FPS?
It is first person.
It built with the Source engine as Counter Strike: Source and Team Fortress 2.
You have a (portal) gun.
You can kill robots with it. (Drop them from height)
They shoot at you.
It is really close, but no, since the focus is not on killing the enemy but rather on solving puzzles..
Same should be true with cock heroes.
If you move the focus, it might no longer be a cock hero, eventhough all the requirements are present.
I think a cock hero should use the aforementioned tools to create a game like experience/challenge.
And the question should be: Can you watch this video till the end, while stroking in a specified speed?
And the answer might be easily or can be hardly, it doesn't matter, until the main focus/intention remains.
You might add some storyline, different material, some extra instructions but the internetion should be the same.
If your videos focus is to tell a story or give an audio visual experience and uses these tools, it might no longer be a cockhero.
Superhot is called an FPS, but for me that's an outlier as well.
So I do not think it is that big of an issue to call it cock hero if the cornerstones are there, but you lost focus.
At the same time we should refrain from it, if the focus is changed.
Metronome JOIs could be called cock heroes, porn check, there are explicit instructions, you can add music and the metronome gives you a beat. But they're not since the intention is similar, they are not the same.
Just like Tomb Raider does not call themselves a TPS, but rather an action adventure game.
Edit: I just noticed, this is a 3 years old revived topic