"Trigger Method" rethought

[Augustulus]

Hey everyone ,

I recently came across the premature ejaculation fetish section of reddit and the topics discussed there.
While I think it's pretty hot what they do and how they tease you, I love edging and long sessions too much to really try premature ejaculation out .

But I came across the so called "Trigger Method" which is a way to train to "cum faster".
Here's the link for a detailed explanation on how it's used by premature ejaculation fetishists: https://prej.ac/cum-faster-with-the-trigger-method/

If looking closely to the method, you see that it's basically a simple conditioning: you stroke to your favorite porn and once you're read to cum, you switch to something else and focus on this while cumming. This way your brain will over time associate this "something else" with orgasmic pleasure and will make you attracted to it.

This conditioning kind of kept stuck in my head and I came up with the following question:
Would/Could it be possible to train someone with such a "Trigger method" to cum to easy or even instantly to such a trigger?
My idea here would be the following:
A trigger is selected first. This can be anything arousing or non arousing (at first). Maybe a certain brand of panties, a certain face or even something simple like a nice pair of boobs.
A training then takes place over a couple of weeks at least, but there is probably no needed end.
The training consists of 3 phases:

Phase 1:
During the first phase you will do regular sessions where you will stroke and edge however you like to everything you want that's not your trigger. Then when you want to cum, you switch over to your trigger and focus intensely while cumming on it.

Phase 2:
During the second phase you will do regular sessions with stroking and edging like in phase 1, but you are not allowed to choose when to cum anymore. Instead during your session at a random time there will be your trigger shown and you have to cum for it exactly then!

Phase 3:
This last phase is possibly the longest phase. It is similar to the second phase, but now the time you have to cum to your trigger is limited. Lets say: 60 seconds. Also at regular intervals, when you have mastered to cum in time to your trigger, the time can be decreased. Ultimate goal would be to cum really fast for your trigger without knowing when that trigger shows up.

Also phase 3 could be extended for multiple orgasms and such if that's something someone enjoys.

Anyways, I would love to know your opinions on the idea, guys.
Do you think this is a working way to condition yourself to cum easily to a trigger while still maintaining the ability to edge a lot?
Has anybody tried something like this already?
Do you have any ideas to improve the method?

Is someone interested in trying it out (with me)?
Maybe even a public game could be build around it

Augustulus

[PlayfulGuy]

I think that would be an excellent method.

After I've been stroking and edging for a while I can basically cum on command. The method you describe is simply using an image as the command to cum. It would totally work for me.

PG

[Augustulus]

I think that would be an excellent method.

After I've been stroking and edging for a while I can basically cum on command. The method you describe is simply using an image as the command to cum. It would totally work for me.

PG

Thanks for your opinion!
Yeah, I guess, it's similar to me: after stroking and edging long enough, it's pretty easy to tip over the edge at any given command. I just hope that my method can achieve something like that with a lot less stimulation in the end.

[nosferatu]

Interesting post indeed. While I’m highly skeptical that these conditioning tricks actually work, It’s certainly kinky to entertain the thought. Do you believe it’s possible to develop new fetishes or premature triggers with these methods, or is it more the “gaming” aspect you are interested in? In any case, let us know the result. Curious if you experience an effect.

As for the proposed public game. Seems solid, but It sounds quite involved. Perhaps something lighter where people can come and leave for shorter sessions? Perhaps instead of the "heavy duty" cum triggers, then edge triggers to condition people to new fetishes idk?

[Augustulus]

Interesting post indeed. While I’m highly skeptical that these conditioning tricks actually work, It’s certainly kinky to entertain the thought. Do you believe it’s possible to develop new fetishes or premature triggers with these methods, or is it more the “gaming” aspect you are interested in? In any case, let us know the result. Curious if you experience an effect.

Thanks for your input .
I have experimented with hands free orgasms (HFO) and cum eating before. For HFO I could observe progress from not being able to do experience anything to an actual orgasm without using my hands while listening to those "hypnofiles" now and then. Best worked for me a pairing with very hot visual stimulation and intense talking.
Regarding cum eating: I was attracted to it, but didn't like it. At one point I forced myself to eat it every time I cum for 30 days straight and since then it is no big deal for me anymore.
So, yes, I think that conditioning works. At least to some extend. For now it was always with a trigger that I was already curious about. I now mainly wonder if this will also work with a trigger that I'm absolutely not attracted to. That would be the ultimate proof, I guess.
I would say that the ultimate goal here would be to have this trigger giving me an immediate response without me being able to do anything about it, but from a realistic point of view that doesn't seem to be achievable.
But maybe making you fail holding the edge or at least giving you the dire wish to masturbate when seeing the trigger in the end seems possible to me.
Of course, the gaming aspect is always there, too. It's a challenge after all to see what can possibly happen and if nothing changes, well, then there was a fun time and new knowledge was gained.

As for the proposed public game. Seems solid, but It sounds quite involved. Perhaps something lighter where people can come and leave for shorter sessions? Perhaps instead of the "heavy duty" cum triggers, then edge triggers to condition people to new fetishes idk?

Yeah, you're right about that. It would probably only work for a dedicated group.
I think there are a lot of games already out there that use such "edge triggers" as you describe. For example the "Help me cum please"- game.

[bhk100]

But I came across the so called "Trigger Method" which is a way to train to "cum faster".
Here's the link for a detailed explanation on how it's used by premature ejaculation fetishists: https://prej.ac/cum-faster-with-the-trigger-method/

It's a fascinating topic. It strikes me that using something like the trigger method could be helpful for anyone who has enjoyed porn for a long time, as a means of re-normalizing their tastes if they have become too extreme. Our brains are adaptive and so porn that drives you nuts with passion will eventually become the baseline if used regularly, which is unfortunate in itself, but not handled mindfully the individual naturally moves on to increasingly harder, and eventually bizarre content.

One day you snap back to reality after busting a nut to clown sex (no judgement, but you get what I'm saying). Seems like this could be a powerful way to, if nothing else, feel aroused by more rather than fewer things. Win!

[Augustulus]

It's a fascinating topic. It strikes me that using something like the trigger method could be helpful for anyone who has enjoyed porn for a long time, as a means of re-normalizing their tastes if they have become too extreme. Our brains are adaptive and so porn that drives you nuts with passion will eventually become the baseline if used regularly, which is unfortunate in itself, but not handled mindfully the individual naturally moves on to increasingly harder, and eventually bizarre content.

Thanks for your opinion.
Yes, it's really fascinating. I've seen this multiple times that content got rougher and rougher over time, though personally I have to say that I always notice that it's just different phases for me. Sometimes I like the content to be rougher, then it shifts back to some more softcore content.

One day you snap back to reality after busting a nut to clown sex (no judgement, but you get what I'm saying). Seems like this could be a powerful way to, if nothing else, feel aroused by more rather than fewer things. Win!

Well... now I have to search for clown sex

[Augustulus]

So in short this is basically just the Pavlovian response but made specifically for orgasming? And in theory on top of images you could probably make it happen with other stimuli as well. So if say you were doing this as a dom/domme towards a sub you could also have your perfume or cologne act as a trigger if it worked the same way. have it on like a small piece of clothing or something and put it up to their nose when their cumming and supposed to cum.

Yes, exactly.
It's probably the same with all the trigger methods. Though, I would say that the way to achieve this is always a little bit different.
You can also use it for words like "pop" or "spurt" or anything in that direction.
I definitely love the idea of a certain smell
Thanks for your input. I'm currently setting it up to try out developing a trigger for white panties.

[Augustulus]

Hmm I feel like that may too broad of a trigger though, but if you manage that then let's hope it doesn't add in white bikini bottoms, or pool and beach days will be very interesting for you

Yeah, we'll see. It would definitely be humiliating at the beach
Though, I think it's similar with using perfume or such. Just think about someone else uses the same perfume as your dom/domme out on the street and you get triggered

[ccgssdtttew]

im skeptical despite knowing of the pavlovian conditioning.

Opinion / Point I stand by: if the trigger I am training for is too far off my turn ons, it wont work.
Caveat: I cant bring myself to continuously train on a new trigger thats far off from my turn ons.
Its not enjoyable >> hence I do not stick with a "training program" >> will not achieve the pavlovian conditioning.

Heres my experience:
- I love slim girls, big boobs, pretty face (most important)
- Originally did not like and could not get off to PMVs; but i do watch JOI and Stroke to the beats (I get hard but i dont finish here)
- Played "Help me cum", really turned on from being instructed, started liking PMVs
- PMVs I enjoyed were aligned to the girls i liked
- PMVs, for example, included the porn + sexy tiktok (or something I find attractive but was not the normal porn I consume to get off). On hindsight, I think i was getting off to both and as the link said, im finishing on the secondary materials instead.
- Pavlov works! Provided the trigger training is within my interest.
- Now I can get quite turned on from normal tiktok sexy girls. Oops. I still have a preference for big boobs, but I find myself able to get hard on smaller ones too (not flat tho, I lose interest at flats)

Hope the above gave u some new perspective

[Augustulus]

im skeptical despite knowing of the pavlovian conditioning.

Opinion / Point I stand by: if the trigger I am training for is too far off my turn ons, it wont work.
Caveat: I cant bring myself to continuously train on a new trigger thats far off from my turn ons.
Its not enjoyable >> hence I do not stick with a "training program" >> will not achieve the pavlovian conditioning.

Heres my experience:
- I love slim girls, big boobs, pretty face (most important)
- Originally did not like and could not get off to PMVs; but i do watch JOI and Stroke to the beats (I get hard but i dont finish here)
- Played "Help me cum", really turned on from being instructed, started liking PMVs
- PMVs I enjoyed were aligned to the girls i liked
- PMVs, for example, included the porn + sexy tiktok (or something I find attractive but was not the normal porn I consume to get off). On hindsight, I think i was getting off to both and as the link said, im finishing on the secondary materials instead.
- Pavlov works! Provided the trigger training is within my interest.
- Now I can get quite turned on from normal tiktok sexy girls. Oops. I still have a preference for big boobs, but I find myself able to get hard on smaller ones too (not flat tho, I lose interest at flats)

Hope the above gave u some new perspective

I don't know if I fully get what you're trying to propose here. As it looks to me you've started with being turned off by PMVs but over the time and play you started to like them a lot. The only thing that you liked in the beginning were some of the girls inside the PMVs.
I think with the panties it's similar as I obviously like the girls wearing them

And maybe... if you have someone forcing you to stick with the "training program" it will also have an effect on you

Anyways: thank you very much for the detailed opinion. I love to read that

[ccgssdtttew]

I don't know if I fully get what you're trying to propose here. As it looks to me you've started with being turned off by PMVs but over the time and play you started to like them a lot. The only thing that you liked in the beginning were some of the girls inside the PMVs.
I think with the panties it's similar as I obviously like the girls wearing them

And maybe... if you have someone forcing you to stick with the "training program" it will also have an effect on you

Anyways: thank you very much for the detailed opinion. I love to read that

Oh i wasnt trying to propose smth, BUT I THINK IT WORKS. If it fits, it fits.
The thought of having someone force me to stick to a program is a turn on. Cuz of the game i play (the HMC one), and there was a time an online Mistress was instructing my edges / release (by sending me captioned pics).

My point was that the "training program" would fail if its about maybe... black cocks? Something I definitely dont fancy. So by extension, a "training program" for you could potentially be lingeries or swimsuit bikinis, since those are "similar" to panties. Rather than maybe to sissy and feminisation category (assuming u dont like that, like a hard nope). Glad u enjoyed the read

[Augustulus]

I don't want to devalue what they said, but it really seems from my perspective "liking pmvs" only started since someone else was basically guiding you to watch them during "sessions", plus stroke to the beat type things seem to also be a bit of a gateway, since music playing while you stroked made it a bit easier to ease into pmvs.

Yeah, and that's what I found to be similar to me, just with the difference that I don't have one pushing me through it, but rather a couple of friends I report my progress to.

it just seems that it's similar but with broader implications, or they just normalized pmvs for themself through being tasked with them.

Isn't it the same with conditioning? Getting something normalized until you make it without thinking about it?

And as for having someone to help you through it, there could also be the carrot and the stick method, but I believe that would be more optimized for getting you to dislike something and like something more opposite.

You mean like getting a punishment when not making progress? It could be indeed effective, though for me it needs to be executed by someone else. Self punishing doesn't really work.

[Augustulus]

Oh i wasnt trying to propose smth, BUT I THINK IT WORKS. If it fits, it fits.
The thought of having someone force me to stick to a program is a turn on. Cuz of the game i play (the HMC one), and there was a time an online Mistress was instructing my edges / release (by sending me captioned pics).

Ah, okay. I didn't fully get it first
Well... if you need someone to supervise you on any program. I can help

My point was that the "training program" would fail if its about maybe... black cocks? Something I definitely dont fancy. So by extension, a "training program" for you could potentially be lingeries or swimsuit bikinis, since those are "similar" to panties. Rather than maybe to sissy and feminisation category (assuming u dont like that, like a hard nope). Glad u enjoyed the read

Well, I'm quite curious and open minded. I only have very few hard-limits as are puke, vomit and visible blood that turn me off greatly. I truly believe that I can enjoy everything else. So, it's probably not a big problem for me.

[ccgssdtttew]

Well... if you need someone to supervise you on any program. I can help
Well, I'm quite curious and open minded. I only have very few hard-limits as are puke, vomit and visible blood that turn me off greatly. I truly believe that I can enjoy everything else. So, it's probably not a big problem for me.

Definitely sounds exciting, but i have nothing in mind other than the games im currently playing in my signature
Wanted to suggest them to you, but I just realise your account is way older than mine :P and i just saw your signature You must be pro