New To Estim, What PMV style creations should I check out first?

[trollinnsfw]

Hail Milovians, I have finally purchased my first estim rig. It is the tingler, A stereostim unit by Stimkits.

I have only slightly dipped my feet into this water (like 10 years ago) with a $20 tens unit, which I enjoyed on the lower settings, but I've been told comparing that to a real stim box is like comparing apples to oranges.

Are there any PMV style videos/scripts that kind of show off what all a system like this can do? Should I jump in with both feet or try some standalone mp3s first? Sadly I always kind of skipped past alot of estim content here on milovana, I've cherry picked a few things with live links to try, but I'm worried they might be too intense or something. I cannot make heads or tails of what they might feel like, I wouldnt know how to ascertain that info off of an audacity readout.

Mods, I understand that this may be a bit of an odd discussion to have here in the On Video category, and if you feel the need to move or delete it I'm sorry for making you have to do extra work.

I really don't want this board to turn into "hey guys pick what I watch tonight" threads, but I honestly have no clue what I'm looking at and any advice would be nice.

[edger477]

You are in control, volume is in your hands, start low and increase slowly :) Most creations have calibration at start where you are supposed to set it to pleasant level, set to how it feels nice and not strong and play and see how you like it :)

[verynicekojak]

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I've cherry picked a few things with live links to try, but I'm worried they might be too intense or something. I cannot make heads or tails of what they might feel like, I wouldnt know how to ascertain that info off of an audacity readout.
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From what I noticed myself it is not possible to read intensity or what is happening from triphase audio. After converting to dual channel it is obvious. Here is same file as converted DC and original TP below:

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I do the conversion using following batch script (where first argument to script %1 is input mp3 file):

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set filter="
set filter=%filter%[0:a:0]pan=mono|c0=0.5*c0+0.5*c1[a1];
set filter=%filter%[0:a:0]pan=mono|c0=0.5*c0-0.5*c1[a2];
set filter=%filter%[a1][a2]amerge=inputs=2[a]
set filter=%filter%"

ffmpeg -i %1 -filter_complex %filter% -map "[a]" "%~n1 DT2.mp3"

[trollinnsfw]

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I've cherry picked a few things with live links to try, but I'm worried they might be too intense or something. I cannot make heads or tails of what they might feel like, I wouldnt know how to ascertain that info off of an audacity readout.
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From what I noticed myself it is not possible to read intensity or what is happening from triphase audio. After converting to dual channel it is obvious. Here is same file as converted DC and original TP below:

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aaa.JPG

I do the conversion using following batch script (where first argument to script %1 is input mp3 file):

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Code: Select all

set filter="
set filter=%filter%[0:a:0]pan=mono|c0=0.5*c0+0.5*c1[a1];
set filter=%filter%[0:a:0]pan=mono|c0=0.5*c0-0.5*c1[a2];
set filter=%filter%[a1][a2]amerge=inputs=2[a]
set filter=%filter%"

ffmpeg -i %1 -filter_complex %filter% -map "[a]" "%~n1 DT2.mp3"

Interesting! Out of curiosity, I have obviously listened to some of the mp3s, but I think you are totally right about triphase, the dual channel stuff at least gives you some semblance of what is going on even just listening to the audio, signals panning back and forth and whatnot, but now I think I understand why some files basically sound like a constant tone.

What is strange to me is how different some of the tones can be, I wonder what differences they can make in sensation.

Anyway, thanks everyone for your input. I’m just sitting here twiddling my thumbs getting excited about it, over the past few years I got more into the stroker side of things on eroscripts, but I’m ready to try something new.

[verynicekojak]

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What is strange to me is how different some of the tones can be, I wonder what differences they can make in sensation.
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If by different tones you mean different frequencies of the sound, then I can not help. My device Axis ElecstraStim is not changing frequency. It uses only one and only changes intensity, as far as I know.

[trollinnsfw]

If by different tones you mean different frequencies of the sound, then I can not help. My device Axis ElecstraStim is not changing frequency. It uses only one and only changes intensity, as far as I know.

Interesting. I'm just learning what I can about things, and it seems like some mp3 files i've listened to have varying pitches throughout them, It may make zero difference, but I'm just curious.

Honestly I'm just too excited about it, My dang machine isn't even in the mail and I cant stop thinkin bout it.

[darthjj]

Interesting. I'm just learning what I can about things, and it seems like some mp3 files i've listened to have varying pitches throughout them, It may make zero difference, but I'm just curious.

When using a stereostim device, in my experience frequency changes mostly lead to intensity changes, i.e. a lower frequency will feel similar to turning up the volume. When getting very low, e.g. below 600Hz, the signal can feel more "rough". And when using very high, e.g. over 3000Hz, signals can feel like they're producing heat if I turn up the volume enough. An observation that I've made is that I seem to have become much more tolerant towards low frequencies since I started stimming. In the beginning a frequency drop from 1200Hz to 1000Hz could be the difference between pleasure and intense pain, but now it feels more like a moderate intensity increase.

If you want to experiment with creating different signals I would suggest looking into pulse trains rather than taking inspiration from audio generation. With e-stim it seems like the size/energy of the pulses is the most important variable, and you can play around with the time between the pulses to get slightly different feelings. Unlike our ears, it seems like stimmed nerves can't feel frequencies in the same way, so changing the shape of the pulse doesn't do much, as long as you keep the area under the graph constant.

I'm guessing many e-stim tracks are created by taking audio clips, or other e-stim tracks, and remixing them with audio effects until the creator has found something they like. So if you find tracks with multiple frequencies it could be more that it was something which happened to feel nice rather than an intentional choice.

[trollinnsfw]

I'm guessing many e-stim tracks are created by taking audio clips, or other e-stim tracks, and remixing them with audio effects until the creator has found something they like.

This seems reasonable to me. Have you ever seen a video on this subject? I’m interested to know if there’s real science behind any of it.

[darthjj]

I'm guessing many e-stim tracks are created by taking audio clips, or other e-stim tracks, and remixing them with audio effects until the creator has found something they like.

This seems reasonable to me. Have you ever seen a video on this subject? I’m interested to know if there’s real science behind any of it.

If there was real science on the subject I would assume it was in the form of a paper rather than a video :) Diglet has collected some of the science related to stimming on the restim wiki: https://github.com/diglet48/restim/wiki#stim-theory but there's not a lot of science, at least not on recreational e-stim. For my own experiments I created a couple of apps that could generate different signals and let me quickly toggle between them for side-by-side comparisons. Using one of them I tested things like if I could feel any difference between a square wave at one amplitude and a sine wave with a slightly higher amplitude. Other experiments include trying to find different pulses with different width and amplitude that felt like the same intensity, hoping that these would somehow feel different in some other way, but unfortunately they didn't except for the extreme ends of the values. Similar to what Diglet published on the "nerve activation" page, except he has more actual science