Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

This is the place for all suggestions, releases and feedback regarding Milovana Hardware efforts.
Storm123
Explorer
Explorer
Posts: 6
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:43 am
Gender: Male
Sexual Orientation: Straight
I am a: Switch

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by Storm123 »

Mistypanda22 wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:00 am just have a few questions on the way this is supposed to work in general, as a lot of sources kind of... don't blatantly tell people how things work, and it would come down to trial and error.



1. The box pictured is using aux sockets for the outputs (indeed the two middle ones), so with them they have two connection points in each connector (one is further in than the other) so for these both wires from one transformer was wired into the aux jack.

Many also use banana plug sockets for the outputs with them you would use two sockets for each transformer as they only take one wire per socket (contrasted to the aux plug which "merges" two cables into one socket


2. This can wary a little based on the transformer you are using. (Technically we use the transformer backwards when using them for estim) But for wiring assuming the same transformer as used in the original post:

Audio negative from amplifier to the transformers "0"
Audio positive from amplifier to serial resistor, out of the resistor to transformers 8ohm

"out" from transformers "C"/"Common" to your electrode plug "Negative"
"out" from transformers "0.5 W Purple" to your electrode plug "Positive"


3. This again is dependent on the transformer you are using, with the ones from the original post you want the purple "0.5W" one. The reason this changes is that we are looking for the best turn ratio which depends on what transformer is being used :)


4. This is one i don't have a really good answer to you on, personally i test my device on my thigh using pads, before this i often use a ohm meter to quickly check for no direct shorts between anything. If anyone has a better more "proper" way to test devices i would love if you would chime in!

5. This again depends on what connector your using for your electrodes, if your using banana plugs or bullet plugs you already have 4 separate wires to hookup to your electrodes, in the case for something like audio plugs (aux) the split happens in the connector kinda like this image just image only two wires: Image


6. Thri-phase is at its core connecting the two negatives of the transformers electrode wire together, this allows us to drive 3 electrodes together that can be used to get a feeling of movement, as an example you can make the stim feel like its moving up and down. (so basically instead of having two sets of electrodes being driven entirely separately we make 3 electrodes have an output that depends on each other) Many boxes have included a switch to connect these two negative cables together at the box but you can also do this with your wires going out from your box directly, tough it can be a bit more fo a wire mess.



7. The parallel resistor, even tough many swear by it (sorry to anyone that does!) is not needed, frankly from any testing i have seen actually makes the signal slightly worse from a data standpoint. You can read a bit more about this here:
https://github.com/diglet48/restim/wiki ... l-resistor

Incase you also want to read a little about the series resistor you can find that here:
https://github.com/diglet48/restim/wiki ... s-resistor


8. Besides the basic parts you must have to make the device (Transformers, Amplifier, Power brick and plug and perhaps a box to house it in) here are a few other parts i suggest getting:

A power switch (if you want to make sure your amp does not make an unpleasant pop when being turned on or off you might want to consider a 4PST switch (its essentially a switch that flips 4 sets of switches in one, where you connect power and each electrode wire to make all of them switch on or off at once) If needed i can make a quick wiring diagram for this.

Electrode sockets - Personally i use 2mm banana sockets and 2 mm plugs on the electrode wires (If you do this you will need 4 sockets, i recommend two set of colors) so you have Transformer 1 positive to a red socket and negative to a black socket, repeat for transformer 2)

Alternatively you can also use aux sockets, they are a bit more fiddly to wire up as things a re a bit smaller, with these you would only need two, its quite popular to use these if you already have electrode wires that uses aux

A thri-phase switch, any basic on-off switch that connects the two Negative electrode wires, just makes using thri-phase a bit simpler.


As an alternative if you prefer chatting over a platform like discord for some quicker answers feel free to add me on Discord username: makeyourkink
User avatar
Mistypanda22
Explorer At Heart
Explorer At Heart
Posts: 412
Joined: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:01 pm
Gender: Male
Sexual Orientation: Straight
I am a: Submissive

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by Mistypanda22 »

praise the lord! i got a reply to this!
as of right now those were the main generalized questions i had while ordering the base parts

woah, i had no idea aux and banana plugs worked like that. i thought they merged all the wires into one. seems its just clumping them together to look as such :lol: the more you know

the transformer hookup, using the one recommended in the original post, seems to be hooked up the same, so that's good. and the wires being labeled is nice too. i knew that having them at different slots would give it different effects, i was just unsure if it was detrimental or it would fry the circuit, you know?

i think ill be trying to use aux plugs, as after its built, having less wires going to me is nice. I've not bought any sort of equipment that would actually be used for sessions, as i didn't know what one to get (i think i have some old electrodes that might have used aux... i think)

while i AM somewhat lightly knowledgeable about some simple circuits, I'm still too new to the whole ordeal to piece together a lot of this stuff, as they way of portraying it, as well as the attempts of people trying different methods.... it makes me just fumble around with a big head, unsure of what to do

the conversation around estim and its possibilities to hook it up just kind of confused me because of how many possible answers there were

i sent a friend request on discord, as I'm bound to have a heap load of smaller questions when i get around to building the part, but for now, thank you lots!
please help me cum v2
woooooooo! birthday on 2/18!
Spielers
Explorer At Heart
Explorer At Heart
Posts: 309
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:26 pm
Gender: Male
Sexual Orientation: Straight
I am a: Submissive

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by Spielers »

ramen wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:30 pm I finished my box, yay! I modified a bit the original build and now it feels great.
This is my final schematic, notice the extra resistors:
Image

The default schematic worked but felt a bit painful, with a constant "static" that got unbearable at the higher levels. After adding the two parallel resistors the static is almost gone and the signal feels very smooth, strong but not painful.
Resistors are inexpensive and this modification barely adds complexity to the build. The quality increase is MASSIVE. I highly recommend this over the original schematic (unless you like pain of course).

I tryed it and for me this is really the best schematic and best feeling thanks . Note i use also a 12 V DC source (class 2!) and this ampliefier( descibed with 24V and 50W, but it works also with 12V), But i use other transformer connected with input 0Ohm and 4 Ohm and output 0W and 0,625W
ramen
Explorer
Explorer
Posts: 26
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:07 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by ramen »

Spielers wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:26 pm I tryed it and for me this is really the best schematic and best feeling thanks . Note i use also a 12 V DC source (class 2!) and this ampliefier( descibed with 24V and 50W, but it works also with 12V), But i use other transformer connected with input 0Ohm and 4 Ohm and output 0W and 0,625W
You're welcome. I rebuilt this box recently and I'd recommend that you swap the 10 ohm resistors with 15 ohm. With 10 ohm it felt very smooth but it required a very loud input. With 20 ohm (the value I've seen recommended often) works with a lower volumes, but it gets very hot and may melt plastic. 15 omh seems like a reasonable middle ground.

Oh and one last thing: remember to buy a cheap USB audio interface for your estim box. Never connect this thing directly to your computer -- it fried my laptop's audio card in my initial tests.
Spielers
Explorer At Heart
Explorer At Heart
Posts: 309
Joined: Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:26 pm
Gender: Male
Sexual Orientation: Straight
I am a: Submissive

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by Spielers »

ramen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:09 am
Spielers wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:26 pm
ramen wrote: Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:30 pm I finished my box, yay! I modified a bit the original build and now it feels great.
This is my final schematic, notice the extra resistors:
Image

The default schematic worked but felt a bit painful, with a constant "static" that got unbearable at the higher levels. After adding the two parallel resistors the static is almost gone and the signal feels very smooth, strong but not painful.
Resistors are inexpensive and this modification barely adds complexity to the build. The quality increase is MASSIVE. I highly recommend this over the original schematic (unless you like pain of course).

I tryed it and for me this is really the best schematic and best feeling thanks . Note i use also a 12 V DC source (class 2!) and this ampliefier( descibed with 24V and 50W, but it works also with 12V), But i use other transformer connected with input 0Ohm and 4 Ohm and output 0W and 0,625W
You're welcome. I rebuilt this box recently and I'd recommend that you swap the 10 ohm resistors with 15 ohm. With 10 ohm it felt very smooth but it required a very loud input. With 20 ohm (the value I've seen recommended often) works with a lower volumes, but it gets very hot and may melt plastic. 15 omh seems like a reasonable middle ground.

Oh and one last thing: remember to buy a cheap USB audio interface for your estim box. Never connect this thing directly to your computer -- it fried my laptop's audio card in my initial tests.


short note: in the mean time i bought the E-stim A box and the Estim 2B and for me they feel even better then all selfmaid boxes.
harrie27
Curious Newbie
Curious Newbie
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:02 pm

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by harrie27 »

ramen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:09 am You're welcome. I rebuilt this box recently and I'd recommend that you swap the 10 ohm resistors with 15 ohm. With 10 ohm it felt very smooth but it required a very loud input. With 20 ohm (the value I've seen recommended often) works with a lower volumes.
Build this box a few weeks ago and I did notice that it needed a decent amount of volume compared to LOLOLs box I also built.
Changing the resistors to the 20 ohms did wonders for the box :)
I'm not too worried about them melting, I got some pretty beefy ones.
box_of_cards
Explorer
Explorer
Posts: 35
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:41 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by box_of_cards »

Noob question, why are all the self build models build around transformers? I bought a super cheap one for 10 Euros to take appart and as far as I can tell it is build around boost converters. I tested it before taking it appart and except for stupid settings it the impulse was fine and if the rythm would have been right, it could have brought me to orgasm.

So wouldn't it be easier to take a simple amplifiert IC and send the signal to a simple boost coverter?

Here is what the board looks like.
bild.jpg
bild.jpg (220.34 KiB) Viewed 9169 times
User avatar
edger477
Experimentor
Experimentor
Posts: 1114
Joined: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:24 pm
Location: underfloor

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by edger477 »

box_of_cards wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 8:46 am Noob question, why are all the self build models build around transformers?
Because (aside from few circuits that are battery powered current pumps), connecting to body anything that is not galvanically insulated from input (including audio input from PC) is highly dangerous.
My estim creations: https://mega.nz/folder/73pxmBBQ#X6ylDzRafzTt9wanZ0dacw
And in E-Stim Index: viewtopic.php?t=27090

Try creating your own estims with my restim script generator!
Spoiler: show
You can also thank me with crypto: https://trocador.app/anonpay?ticker_to= ... e+a+coffee
box_of_cards
Explorer
Explorer
Posts: 35
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:41 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by box_of_cards »

Good point, but an easy fix would be an opto-isolator.
edger477 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:12 am
box_of_cards wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 8:46 am Noob question, why are all the self build models build around transformers?
Because (aside from few circuits that are battery powered current pumps), connecting to body anything that is not galvanically insulated from input (including audio input from PC) is highly dangerous.
pm59611
Curious Newbie
Curious Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:25 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by pm59611 »

Hey guys just built my first audio based stim box and have some questions. (for background Ive used a an Electrostim 180-2i pictured at the bottom, for years i got from a thrift store but this is my first time with Audio)

First I followed the guide and I first built it with both resisters and then later bypassed the 10ohm to see if I got a different result.

Haven't gotten particularly good results from it, very few pad arrangements or audio stim files feel all that great and no O's yet. Some files I cant even feel till I have the box maxed out, some start off fine and then give me huge spikes that feel like my balls just got fried. Is that just the file? Does anyone like that?

Couple of areas I suspect I may have gone wrong is I used whatever wires I had laying around so some heavier gauge and some lighter gauge then the wires on the transformers.

I have tried a 12v and a 24v power supply (maybe i need higher amp?) with very little difference, I have used my Macbook and my old ipad mini as my input and the iPad I don't think has the input volume i need. Mac was better but have had issues with one channel just not working. Ive tried playing the files in VLC, itunes, Quicktime and Audacity

Ive used all kinds of combos of pads, loops, insertables

Any advice is appeiciated i plan to take it all back apart an rewire it with proper gauge wires this weekend.

Using this configuration currently with the 10ohm bypassed.
Image

My non audio setup, its got the juice
Image
pm59611
Curious Newbie
Curious Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:25 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by pm59611 »

Was pretty sure I had fried left channel on my mac but its fine, I had adjusted the balance all the way Right and on MacOS you have to go 3 menus deep to adjust left right balance.

ramen wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 10:09 am
Spielers wrote: Fri Mar 01, 2024 11:26 pm I tryed it and for me this is really the best schematic and best feeling thanks . Note i use also a 12 V DC source (class 2!) and this ampliefier( descibed with 24V and 50W, but it works also with 12V), But i use other transformer connected with input 0Ohm and 4 Ohm and output 0W and 0,625W
Oh and one last thing: remember to buy a cheap USB audio interface for your estim box. Never connect this thing directly to your computer -- it fried my laptop's audio card in my initial tests.
darthjj
Explorer At Heart
Explorer At Heart
Posts: 134
Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:42 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by darthjj »

pm59611 wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:59 pm Haven't gotten particularly good results from it, very few pad arrangements or audio stim files feel all that great and no O's yet. Some files I cant even feel till I have the box maxed out, some start off fine and then give me huge spikes that feel like my balls just got fried. Is that just the file? Does anyone like that?
Open the estim mp3 file in an audio editor and look at the waveform, for example Audacity. I've found a few files which have very low amplitude, e.g. never going above 0.5, which are unusable with my stereostim box. Even tracks that have both pleasure and pain segments should have the majority of their waveform peaks in the 0.6 - 1.0 region. I'm guessing the low volume tracks could've been made for a 2B box or something else which processes the audio track rather than just amplifying it. Either way you can use the normalize tool in Audacity to make them use all the available amplitude, but if the track isn't made for stereostim it might not feel good anyway. For example low frequencies feel much more intense than a higher frequency at exactly the same amplitude/volume, this could be what you're getting when it feels like your balls get fried. Better to download some estim tracks made specifically for stereostim.

Having good contact between skin and electrodes is of course also another thing to check, but if your old estim box worked well for you I assume you know that already.
pm59611
Curious Newbie
Curious Newbie
Posts: 3
Joined: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:25 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by pm59611 »

Thanks darthjj

Yeah I need to find a better way to play them, I have a newer ipad that I can dedicate to this or I think i have an old windows laptop someplace i could use. Don't like using my Macbook because i wanna watch porn with sound at the same time on it.

I think ill completely rewire it tomorrow with all appropriate gauge wires have a few things I wanna change anyway from V1, I 3d printed the enclosure so I will post pictures when i get to the final version, the transformers and resisters are all mounted on a big hard drive heat sink ive had for years so its passively cooled.

darthjj wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:50 am
pm59611 wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:59 pm Haven't gotten particularly good results from it, very few pad arrangements or audio stim files feel all that great and no O's yet. Some files I cant even feel till I have the box maxed out, some start off fine and then give me huge spikes that feel like my balls just got fried. Is that just the file? Does anyone like that?
Open the estim mp3 file in an audio editor and look at the waveform, for example Audacity. I've found a few files which have very low amplitude, e.g. never going above 0.5, which are unusable with my stereostim box. Even tracks that have both pleasure and pain segments should have the majority of their waveform peaks in the 0.6 - 1.0 region. I'm guessing the low volume tracks could've been made for a 2B box or something else which processes the audio track rather than just amplifying it. Either way you can use the normalize tool in Audacity to make them use all the available amplitude, but if the track isn't made for stereostim it might not feel good anyway. For example low frequencies feel much more intense than a higher frequency at exactly the same amplitude/volume, this could be what you're getting when it feels like your balls get fried. Better to download some estim tracks made specifically for stereostim.

Having good contact between skin and electrodes is of course also another thing to check, but if your old estim box worked well for you I assume you know that already.
darthjj
Explorer At Heart
Explorer At Heart
Posts: 134
Joined: Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:42 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by darthjj »

pm59611 wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:05 pm Thanks darthjj

Yeah I need to find a better way to play them, I have a newer ipad that I can dedicate to this or I think i have an old windows laptop someplace i could use. Don't like using my Macbook because i wanna watch porn with sound at the same time on it.

I think ill completely rewire it tomorrow with all appropriate gauge wires have a few things I wanna change anyway from V1, I 3d printed the enclosure so I will post pictures when i get to the final version, the transformers and resisters are all mounted on a big hard drive heat sink ive had for years so its passively cooled.
Another thing I forgot to mention is that I've noticed a huge difference in e-stim volume level depending on what signal source I use. In the beginning I used an Android phone, which only had a headphone out (which is made for sending a signal to a tiny loudspeaker). When switching to a computer which had a proper line out (which is made for sending a signal to an amplifier) I got much better results. Some computer sound cards can automatically detect and switch between headphone and line out, but it doesn't always work reliably in my experience. Currently I'm using a USB sound card for the stim box, which both gives good strength and frees up the normal sound card for listening to audio.
hedonist
Curious Newbie
Curious Newbie
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:03 am

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)

Post by hedonist »

Hi all
first post here, I am looking to build a stereostim box based on this. I am in the uk, but am looking to get most parts from parts express I think.
I will be sure to share pictures and learnings along the way once I've made progress.

I have a couple of questions
1) I would possibly like to have a steady “on” lamp that confirms the unit is receiving DC power, can anyone share a modification to the schematic and specify what lamp to use that would allow that?
2) I would like to at least initially power it by battery- can anyone share a link to a battery and charger that would be suitable, ideally from rs-online or cpc farnell that would be suitable? I think something like this battery https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/recharge ... ks/1449416 or maybe this https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/recharge ... ks/7770400 would do , but what charger? And would I want slightly more than 12V to compensate for voltage drop on discharge? Could I build in a battery level indicator in any way?
3) Is this power supply the correct safety standard? https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/ac-dc-adapters/8163834 it described as medical grade and is listed as class ii which I understand to mean double insulated

(n.b. just to clarify I’m not talking about using battery and power supply simultaneously or using that psu as the charger, it would be one OR the other)

TIA for the answers to these questions
Post Reply