Discussions pertaining to the longevity of CH accessibility

[plissk3n]

I am currently in the process of sorting my CH videos. I collected over the years a lot of vids put just put them all in one folder. Now I sort them in the scheme:

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/{author}/{yyyy}-{mm}-{dd} - Cock Hero - {Title}.{ext}

Also I am adding them to Stash, a selfhosted porn organizer and adding metadata to them. For now:
* Date
* Thumbnail
* URL
* Description

and maybe in the future:

* Tags
* Timestamps for round starts

I plan to make all that metadata available via a porn database. So having a db with (hopefully in the long run every) ch video will hopefully add to the longevity of these videos because they wont get forgotten.

BTW, my HDD has 1.15 TB of CHs now

[Alyndiar]

There seems to be ways to set a private torrent and a torrent tracker using your torrent software itself. I don't know enough to tell if this is viable. Of course, the computer used for this needs to be online 24/7 for this to work. Just thought someone could look into this.

[masperturbator]

There seems to be ways to set a private torrent and a torrent tracker using your torrent software itself. I don't know enough to tell if this is viable. Of course, the computer used for this needs to be online 24/7 for this to work. Just thought someone could look into this.

"Private torrent" generally refers to the torrent swarm membership only being tracked by the participating tracker(s). It's "private" in that only addresses that the tracker will talk to are allowed to know what other addresses are sharing pieces. Otherwise, "public" torrents, like the ones we publish here as attachments or magnet links, are usually broadcasting swarm data on DHT and PeX as well as the trackers list.

I am adding them to Stash, a selfhosted porn organizer and adding metadata to them.

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I plan to make all that metadata available via a porn database. So having a db with (hopefully in the long run every) ch video will hopefully add to the longevity of these videos because they wont get forgotten.

Stash will export all of that as JSON, and there will be some caveats and challenges along the way.

Their metaphor is that a "scene" is a "file", so an entire video is a "scene" regardless of other interpretations of words.

They're recording files by checksum hash, which is good, but duplication will occur. It will happen in obvious ways, like different encodings or transcodings of the original. Less obviously, anyone holding bit-rotten copies will also get different hashes from checksum.

[masperturbator]

The CockHeroComplete torrent covers a lot of that period, Flux among them. The torrent isn't behaving well for me right now, so if it doesn't work for you let me know, I'll make a new one (without the .dll and .exe because I didn't take those.)

Torrent and communication is the only solution.

[masperturbator]

Torrent has its flaws as given by OP but nothing has proven itself above torrent for when a company will delete your files or when the person you know goes away.

[LondonGent]

Torrent has its flaws as given by OP but nothing has proven itself above torrent for when a company will delete your files or when the person you know goes away.

I fully agree with you on this. Mega/Google Drive/Etc all introduce a single point of failure. If the author or the hosting site remove it then it's gone and all links to it are worthless.

Torrents don't have this issue - as long as one person out there is still seeding, the file is still available. If the author wants to keep the video up, all they need to do is keep seeding and it'll never be an issue. There is no hosting site or anyone else involved who can interfere and delete the file/ban the account/whatever.

[doremi]

Torrents don't have this issue

Torrents are far from perfect too. Someone accessing the tracker can see peers' IP addresses, contact the user's ISP, and send them a warning or threat. This is happening is some countries, and some big ISPs are really active on that front, especially if they sell TV streaming content as well. TV torrents are not good for their business model.

[LondonGent]

Torrents don't have this issue

Torrents are far from perfect too. Someone accessing the tracker can see peers' IP addresses, contact the user's ISP, and send them a warning or threat. This is happening is some countries, and some big ISPs are really active on that front, especially if they sell TV streaming content as well. TV torrents are not good for their business model.

Simply accessing the tracker doesn't give enough information for anyone to contact a user's ISP and issue warnings/threats. Despite the scare-tactics that attempt to put people off using them, there is nothing illegal about torrents themselves. They can be used perfectly legitimately to share non-copyrighted files.

Any company seeking to enforce copyright would first need to identify specific torrents containing material they own. You're correct that they'll go to this effort for big TV shows and recent movies but the odds of them doing so for something obscure like a Cock Hero video are minimal. What sales are they losing out on when someone downloads a compilation containing a few brief seconds of material they created? It's just not worth their time.

Secondly, there are plenty of ways to hide your IP address and avoid this issue entirely if you're concerned. Even a free VPN will keep you safe from copyright notices, though there are faster and better options if you don't mind spending a tiny amount of money.

Torrents aren't perfect, but they solve the longevity problem better than anything else does.

[masperturbator]

Torrents don't have this issue - as long as one person out there is still seeding, the file is still available. If the author wants to keep the video up, all they need to do is keep seeding and it'll never be an issue. There is no hosting site or anyone else involved who can interfere and delete the file/ban the account/whatever.

Mostly true but with caveats. In a torrent swarm sometimes not all announcing clients will allow connections between each other, for various reasons, such as a privacy-motivated setting on one of the involved clients. For the same example reason sometimes not all announcing clients will appear to each other, because not all clients will talk to all trackers that know about the torrent.

Sometimes DMCA trolls will connect to torrent swarms with modified clients that announce and join the swarm but never participate in send/receive of data.

Simply accessing the tracker doesn't give enough information for anyone to contact a user's ISP and issue warnings/threats. Despite the scare-tactics that attempt to put people off using them, there is nothing illegal about torrents themselves. They can be used perfectly legitimately to share non-copyrighted files.

A media copyrights owner will purchase the services of people who run software that catalogs torrent swarm participation. That headhunter will then return to them a list of IP, and the list is cross-referenced to IP range allocations. The owners of the IP ranges are then sent DMCA cease-and-desist requests by the copyrights owners. They will give the IP range owner a list of the allegedly offending addresses and details of the thing that was being transferred.

Then the ISP will choose their response. Most consumer grade ISP will send a threatening email or call to their subscriber then. Most VPN operations that are keeping logs of subscriber use will act the same. Some VPN operations that honestly aren't logging will reply to the copyrights owners with a legalese shrug.

It's also well documented that torrent and VPN software must be well made by their authors, then well configured by their users, to avoid leaking either ISP IP or local network IP to the torrent swarm. TorrentFreak spends much time on the subject.

Some of the great VPN providers give tools that test your torrent network exposure for data leaks.

[LondonGent]

Simply accessing the tracker doesn't give enough information for anyone to contact a user's ISP and issue warnings/threats. Despite the scare-tactics that attempt to put people off using them, there is nothing illegal about torrents themselves. They can be used perfectly legitimately to share non-copyrighted files.

A media copyrights owner will purchase the services of people who run software that catalogs torrent swarm participation. That headhunter will then return to them a list of IP, and the list is cross-referenced to IP range allocations. The owners of the IP ranges are then sent DMCA cease-and-desist requests by the copyrights owners. They will give the IP range owner a list of the allegedly offending addresses and details of the thing that was being transferred.

Then the ISP will choose their response. Most consumer grade ISP will send a threatening email or call to their subscriber then. Most VPN operations that are keeping logs of subscriber use will act the same. Some VPN operations that honestly aren't logging will reply to the copyrights owners with a legalese shrug.

I already understand exactly how they do it but none of this changes the fact that knowing you are connecting to a torrent is not sufficient. They need to know that you are connecting to a torrent containing their copyrighted material. This means they need to choose specifically which torrents to target - they can't just blanket issue complaints about every user connecting to any torrent anywhere.

In theory they could attempt to issue cease-and-desist letters against people torrenting cock hero videos but in practice it's extremely unlikely. Why is a big media copyrights owner going to waste money sending headhunters after the 25 users connected to some random older cock hero video containing a few seconds of their material, when they could send the same headhunters after the thousands of users sharing full copies of their latest releases instead? The short answer is that they won't. We're an extremely low priority target and even basic security measures should be more than enough.

[doremi]

LondonGent, it's not because you are convinced that others will or should. To each their own.

[masperturbator]

Notice that we've been in devil's advocate territory for a few turns.

I already understand exactly how they do it but none of this changes the fact that knowing you are connecting to a torrent is not sufficient. They need to know that you are connecting to a torrent containing their copyrighted material. This means they need to choose specifically which torrents to target - they can't just blanket issue complaints about every user connecting to any torrent anywhere.

In theory they could attempt to issue cease-and-desist letters against people torrenting cock hero videos but in practice it's extremely unlikely. Why is a big media copyrights owner going to waste money sending headhunters after the 25 users connected to some random older cock hero video containing a few seconds of their material, when they could send the same headhunters after the thousands of users sharing full copies of their latest releases instead? The short answer is that they won't. We're an extremely low priority target and even basic security measures should be more than enough.

Suspicion that the torrent contains a copyrights owner's content is enough. The accusation hasn't reached court yet so it doesn't need to meet any standard. When the cease-and-desist is sent and the target doesn't reply equally the ISP will act as they announced that they would.

We got onto this subject aside from the thread itself.

The real reason that torrent isn't used by archivists is they want to put the files online to be available when they're offline. They don't want any part of the data costs. They put the stuff on Mega or whatever to pass those responsibilities. Paranoia may be strong but it's secondary to all that I think. We are talking about something like a 1-5TB volume of data, amounting mostly to things that the archivist would only archive out of some obligation because they don't personally like the majority of the volume.

Reminds me of a 10TB RAID that some /b/tard posted pics of in late 00s.