Editing other creators Cock Hero vids?

[xdvdgr]

Hey there,
I've recently seen some people upload compilations of their favorite Cock Hero scenes and thought I might wanna do that too. Makes the best stuff easier to find and quicker to get to. Initially I had no intention of uploading it anywhere, but now I got around 3 hours of Cock Hero levels in my editing software and feel like I should do more with it.

I've thought about making a game out of it, like a "Choose your own adventure"-type thing or like "Cock Hero New Game Plus" or "Cock Hero Madness 2". You know, something to make it more exciting, something that'd allure me to try to play through the whole thing rather than just skip to a scene.

Now here's my question: Could I ever upload the finished product or should I keep that to myself? I've seen people use parts of other Cock Hero's, like audio and beat bar only, to make a rework. But I don't want to fully rework someone else's video, only cut scenes together and add some rules. Of course I don't intend to claim any of the work, I have already sourced all the videos and creators in my compilation, but I'm still conflicted on whether I should do it. Is such a thing frowned upon in CH community? I thought about contacting each creator and asking them for permission but that's obviously a lot of work.
What do you guys think?

[Caius Prepus]

You can quote a text without stealing it. Cock Hero are non profit, and as long as you keep your stuff free and you identify the original author of the material, I don't see any problem with it.

[fragrantEmulsion]

Rip my shit up fam.

Data is data.

[doremi]

xdvdgr, I don't recall any creator saying that they don't want that to happen, so be our guest. Some are even very flattered. Some have been pissed that their work have not at least been credited, but you don't plan to do that, right?

If you want to make a "Create your own adventure" gameplay, you can visit:
https://cyoa.club/

If you have one big video that tells the viewer to advance to this or that time mark to resume the video, I can make a custom video player that will jump at the right time mark simply by pressing a key on the numeric keypad. Feel free to contact me if this is something you would like to do.

[fagustree]

If you have one big video that tells the viewer to advance to this or that time mark to resume the video, I can make a custom video player that will jump at the right time mark simply by pressing a key on the numeric keypad. Feel free to contact me if this is something you would like to do.

Cyoa can do that with user action keybinds and telling the video to seek to time index.

[kerkersklave]

It would be slightly hypocritical if an author would be against someone else using their content to create something else. It is after all exactly what they did. Basically all cockheros are made from porn the authors do not own the rights to and personally, I think that is ok. You should just say that it is put together from other cockheros and say which ones and which scenes.
Personally I probably would not watch it though unless it puts together some realy great rounds from cockheros that I otherwise do not like too much or it adds something else that makes the content exciting.

[noblepaladin]

Unless the cock hero author is a porn actor that took 15 dicks up the butt or is a musician that wrote/performed the music, I wouldn't be too concerned about "giving credit". 99% of the credit belongs to the performers and they probably didn't get paid for the cock hero. It's all pirated porn, I think only a couple cock heroes are actually produced by the studio/person that owns the content and they are not that popular. If it feels better, just put up some credits at the end that mentions them.

[Pseudonym]

Unless the cock hero author is a porn actor that took 15 dicks up the butt or is a musician that wrote/performed the music, I wouldn't be too concerned about "giving credit". 99% of the credit belongs to the performers and they probably didn't get paid for the cock hero. It's all pirated porn, I think only a couple cock heroes are actually produced by the studio/person that owns the content and they are not that popular. If it feels better, just put up some credits at the end that mentions them.

Ah yes, CH authors don't deserve any credit because this appears in our editor timeline by itslef when we are creating a round...


Other than that, I agree with everything that has been said in this thread.
Fagustree's CYOA platform looks like a perfect tool for this poject: https://cyoa.club/help/docs/docs.html
I'm sure he would be happy to help you if you don't know how to start. Can recommend!

[noblepaladin]

Ah yes, CH authors don't deserve any credit because this appears in our editor timeline by itslef when we are creating a round...

I'm not saying that making these videos are easy (I've made some stuff myself), but if I am compiling 15 different porn scenes, that is 15 different sets of actors/actresses and crews.

I just think it is very weird to have a moral conundrum over giving appropriate credit to the cock hero compiler when the majority of these works don't even credit the actors/actresses in the scenes (to the credit of some of the creators, they do try to list everybody that appears). Citing my online perv handle doesn't really give me any benefit, as most creators are smart enough not to link it to their real life identity or to try to monetize it. But this is the livelihood of a lot of actors/actresses and I would be more inclined to steer some traffic their way well before the online handle of the creator compiling the scene.

It takes some strange leaps of logic to be like "I'm not going to ask Riley Reid or Brazzers for permission to use their scene, because I know they will say no, but I'll ask Pseudonym for permission to use his compilation that contains Riley Reid's Brazzers scene" . The only way the community is morally okay with cock heroes is with very very liberal interpretations of fair use, in which case the OP shouldn't feel bad about borrowing work from others, especially if he cites it.

[pl3b]

I just think it is very weird to have a moral conundrum over giving appropriate credit to the cock hero compiler when the majority of these works don't even credit the actors/actresses in the scenes (to the credit of some of the creators, they do try to list everybody that appears).

I'd say that for the amount of work that goes into creating a CH, it just leaves a bad taste when you see your stuff being used and you don't even get mentioned. That's regardless of how you personally feel about the subject. I'm just saying how I'd feel and likely many other creators would feel. We're talking about simply "being nice" in a small niche community like this.

Having said that, feel free to use my stuff anyway. If you don't want to mention me because "reasons" that's fine also I guess.

[MrCandyMan]

My stuff is free for anyone to remix. Credit would be nice as recognition of hard work tho I won't lose any sleep if I don't get it. What we do skirts the limits of fair use so it would feel strange for me to be overprotective of my work when it would be impossible w/o the work of the ppl who actually produced all the scenes and songs. That's why I made more of an effort to credit the performers and music producers in my last CH. Least I can do since I didn't ask for their permission.

[Pseudonym]

I'm not saying that making these videos are easy (I've made some stuff myself) ...

That’s good, because your original post made it seem like you think CH creators don’t really add any value and deserve non or maybe 1% of the credit for the existence of these videos. That is basically what “triggered” me and what I responded to.

So I’m glad that you’ve re-evaluated/re-phrased your position.
I think we can all agree that CH videos exist thanks to the actors, studios, musicians AND CH creators.
All of these deserve credit and appropriate compensation for their work.

I just think it is very weird to have a moral conundrum over giving appropriate credit to the cock hero compiler when the majority of these works don't even credit the actors/actresses in the scenes (to the credit of some of the creators, they do try to list everybody that appears) ...

Ok, this is actually something that I would agree on. Music seems to be usually credited and most authors don’t remove the watermarks, which is good.

But I agree that we could do better job with crediting the actors especially now since their current position is absolutely disheartening. Many of them have a second job or do escort to just get by. Their status and wages fell drastically with the advent of “free” pirated internet porn.

In my view (and I might be wrong here) it’s caused by inability of the industry to adapt to the new distribution models and big players extracting as much value as possible from the actors thanks to their monopoly status and ownership of the streaming sites.

There is not much that we can do about that as CH authors besides properly crediting the actors.
One feature that I’ve requested for fagustree’s CYOA platform are hyperlink credits that would bring you directly to the actor/studio/musician/voice actor site where you could buy from or support the original content creator. CH videos would then basically work as an advertising or discovery tool and have positive/symbiotic effect on the industry. (Which they already do to some extend imo)

It takes some strange leaps of logic to be like "I'm not going to ask Riley Reid or Brazzers for permission to use their scene, because I know they will say no, but I'll ask Pseudonym for permission to use his compilation that contains Riley Reid's Brazzers scene" .

No one in this thread or any other thread that I’ve seen here on Milo over the years have been against using or distributing other authors work. No one has been arguing that you need to ask first. As mentioned in this thread by kerkersklave – it would be hypocritical.

Other people CHs have been used, re-worked, re-compiled and re-uploaded here or on streaming sites by others without getting any permission and no one had any issue with it in general.
Xdvdgr just asked in this thread and you can see with your own eyes that the response is basically: “Sure, go ahead, just credit the authors and you are golden!”

The only way the community is morally okay with cock heroes is with very very liberal interpretations of fair use, in which case the OP shouldn't feel bad about borrowing work from others, especially if he cites it.

Yes! You figured it out! No one was arguing for anything else.

And it will stay like that unless there will be a way to acquire content/music licenses in a reasonable and affordable way for the small content creators – the CH authors in our case.

Until then, we are left with the only option which is respectfully disobey the law since it’s not just in our current context and pay consequences if it comes to that.



Let me extend an olive branch here. I presume that you mean well and argue from a place of compassion in favour of the actors. Your complaint about some authors not crediting them is very good and something to think about.

Other than that, if you have a feasible solution to the CH legality/morality problem, I’m sure all of us would love to hear it.

[fragrantEmulsion]

But I agree that we could do better job with crediting the actors especially now since their current position is absolutely disheartening. Many of them have a second job or do escort to just get by. Their status and wages fell drastically with the advent of “free” pirated internet porn.

I will say that the relatively recent developments with onlyfans and other similar platforms have been more fair to the actresses because they are able to decide their own content and shoots. I do miss the 2012 reddit porn era where it was just random girls with somewhat of an exhibition kink posting online anonymously without every post being advertising for a premium account.

I also want to add that I don't include the actress names, tag them, or answer comments on the streams because it just makes the video more likely to be flagged and taken down. (At least before the great purge).

Other than that, if you have a feasible solution to the CH legality/morality problem, I’m sure all of us would love to hear it.

We need to be able to source/pay our own musicians, cameramen, directors, actors, etc. But I don't think there is enough demand to really accomplish this.

I also think that we will see AI generated porn before long, I've brought this up before and the older hats scoff at me. (Look at this: https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com/). Look at the quality of some of the newer 3d content. Look at the rise of body tracking software. I think we're on the cusp of something completely different when it comes to adult entertainment. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/990500595/subverse this game made $2 million USD. It would be much easier to fund this type of content and not deal with the legal repercussions.

[hypermodule]

Other than that, if you have a feasible solution to the CH legality/morality problem, I’m sure all of us would love to hear it.

This idea popped into my mind the other day: releasing a CH as a "recipe" by simply distributing 1) the project file (exported from eg Davinci Resolve, which is free) and 2) a list of the clips and songs used and pointers to where they can be obtained. In theory a person could then compile the CH themselves by first buying the clips and songs and then rendering the project themselves. Of course this would be a big hassle - and probably quite expensive if the project used clips from many different sites - but it would be legal I think.

[fragrantEmulsion]

Other than that, if you have a feasible solution to the CH legality/morality problem, I’m sure all of us would love to hear it.

This idea popped into my mind the other day: releasing a CH as a "recipe" by simply distributing 1) the project file (exported from eg Davinci Resolve, which is free) and 2) a list of the clips and songs used and pointers to where they can be obtained. In theory a person could then compile the CH themselves by first buying the clips and songs and then rendering the project themselves. Of course this would be a big hassle - and probably quite expensive if the project used clips from many different sites - but it would be legal I think.

This was on my mind as well, it would result in de-facto piracy but the end result would be a service that could be sold by the creator.