[New Release] The Estim Experiment - EOS Tease

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Re: [New Release] The Estim Experiment - EOS Tease

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Hi there, first of all I'd like to thank you so much for this impressive tease - I really like the format (fast picture changes) and diversity. Also, the idea with the selfbondage is quite nice, even though that I wouldn't use Alexa for this but rather conventional release methods.

[Just out of curiosity: Would the tease also work in bondage, i.e. without any mouse or keyboard actions?]

I was also a bit confused on the instructions with the ramp up at the beginning; I agree with the comments before that you should try to keep this as simple as possible, to also fit with as much device types as possible.

As a 2b user though, I also had some of the reported issues with having no signal. I know that it is difficult for non-2b users to solve, but nevertheless I'd like to give you some information on my findings. Using the testing-skip Button, the following girls didn't work: Adrianna, Asa, Gia, Jesse, Cheri (at least at the beginning), Emma. I'm not sure if I covered all though.

To give you a bit of background info on how the 2b works, at least from my understanding: The 2b is not a stereostim device, but processes signals into its own waveforms. In general, this can feel quite good (e.g. all the non-pain files from the tower are great), but due to the processing, certain types of files can result in no feeling.
I am not a techie, but my observation is that the 2b seems to be rather slow when it comes to processing changes in a signal. When listening to the pain files in the milovana teases, it seems that these rely on a fast-changing signal. I guess that the signal processing of the 2b is just overwhelmed by these changes, resulting in a lack of input.
Another "issue" with pain files on the 2b is that increasing the volume has a rather limited effect, as this does not directly affect the output level of the signals, but only the processing. Minor deviations in volume (like 10%) therefore result in very limited changes (if at all).

A possible solution to this would be to rethink the concept of painfiles for the 2b. As increasing the volume does not solely work to induce pain, the stim files need to be produced in a way which makes them feel uncomfortable instead. This is usually the case with sharp changing files.
I have to admit that I'm not good at making stimfiles, but I was playing around a bit with my 2b and a signal generator to find out what might work. Let's imagine a continous signal which is simply switched on and off in a certain pace. As stated before, the pace should be slow enough to let the 2b process the signal. For me, it turned out that a signal should be at least 1000-1200ms on, breaks should be at least 300ms. Most importantly, there shouldn't be any ramp in the pulses, to make them sharp.
I uploaded the results of my tests so that you can get an idea. As I said, I'm not good at making stimfiles so there probably is lots of room for improvements, but I hope this could be eventually a common starting point to also make the 2b users happy. :-)

Link: https://ufile.io/3fq6lenv [unfortunately the file will expire in 30 days - any hint for a permanent filehoster without registration?]
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Hi,

according to what I have read about the 2B (here and in other forums), the device rectifies, low-pass filters and remodulates the signal and may also normalize the volume in some strange way. That's good for normal audio files and bad for dedicated estim files.

Effects are:
  1. Normal pain files (rectangular modulation waveform) does not feel very painful
  2. Harsh pain files (spikes) are very weak
  3. Phase modulation (responsible for the "3D effects" in 3-phase mode) cannot be preserved.
There are attempts to fix 1. and 2. with other firmware. That's possible if the low-pass filter is software defined.

3. most likely cannot be fixed because that would require some more difficult signal processing and sinusoidal carrier waveforms (the 2B seems to use a pulsed carrier signal).

If you only use a 2B you don't know what you miss ...
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Well, you seem to have much more knowledge on the subject than I have. :) But I guess it somehow corresponds with my experience and findings.
I also have to add that triphase also feels good on a 2b, but I can't compare it to a real stereostim unit.

While I'm actually extremely curious about the feeling of stereostim devices, the issue I have is security. I know that this is a very controversial topic, but I don't trust my engineering skills enough to build my own one, or to purchase it privately from people I don't know. As for commercial devices, to my knowledge there is only the BTstim device, which however is not available in Europe. Including shipping and customs, even the econo device would be extremely expensive.
The 2b can be also controlled via a link cable, which works very well for my purposes, so I don't want to miss it - and buying 2 devices for a few hundred €uros each is a bit too much. ;)

So my attempt was to somehow find an alternative. I know that my proposed solution is not ideal (this would be a synchronised player for the 2b's serial interface), but it is at least better than the current state and should be much easier to implement. It just needs some people who can create stim files and persons to provide feedback.
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Here is a quick test. In 3-phase setup all three .ogg files should feel quite different.

If my theory about 2B operation is correct, 't0-11.ogg' and 't1-11.ogg' should feel similar with that device.

A device that passes the test most likely also preserves the pain effects. If someone has a commercial unit which works, please report it. (I cannot help with that because I use a self-made device)
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I have been enjoying using volume 2 of the Estim Experiment, even though I am a 2B user. Frankly, it means I get a rest during some sessions.

Is there supposed to be a final session designed for orgasm? One time I had a mind-blowing final session (with a model on a beach).

If you are thinking ahead to a program for people to use with selfbondage, then we need to know how long to set a release timer. Now-a-days, we can use accurate timer locks. It would be nice to know at the beginning of the session how long we have to set the timer.

Better still, the user should be able to pick short, medium, or long bondage sessions. The model tells us when to activate the timer.

All of us 2B users are awaiting the next firmware update to see if it helps with pain sessions.

I can't wait for my first selfbondage session and risking an early orgasm. Best to advise users to set up an emergency release. I bind my wrists with thick zip-ties, held to the head board with a third zip-tie and a timer cable lock. I have a string that runs from my wrist to a pair of plyers, then tied to a jug of water. To escape early, I need to spill the jug.
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Im on a 2B and still getting massive level issues, some are perfect but the likes of the milking session which was good before is almost zero at the end. Asa no registration of signal at all.... Ill scribe ore once i get longer to play.
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Re: [New Release] The Estim Experiment - EOS Tease

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mantrid wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:22 am Here is a quick test. In 3-phase setup all three .ogg files should feel quite different.

If my theory about 2B operation is correct, 't0-11.ogg' and 't1-11.ogg' should feel similar with that device.

A device that passes the test most likely also preserves the pain effects. If someone has a commercial unit which works, please report it. (I cannot help with that because I use a self-made device)
They feel (slightly) different.
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wakwak wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:29 pm They feel (slightly) different.
't0-11.ogg' should feel constant and with 't1-11.ogg' you should feel a strange 1Hz variation.

If you you felt a variation this means either the 2B supports phase modulation (than the information that 2B uses pulsed carrier signal would be wrong) or it mixes channels. If channels are fully mixed 't1-11.ogg' and 't2-11.ogg' feel similar (except of volume).

With estim devices that preserve phase modulation the 1 Hz variation of 't1-11.ogg' and 't2-11.ogg' should feel different (phase modulation vs. amplitude modulation).
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Where is the Skip Test button? never found it!!!
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wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am Hi there, first of all I'd like to thank you so much for this impressive tease - I really like the format (fast picture changes) and diversity. Also, the idea with the selfbondage is quite nice, even though that I wouldn't use Alexa for this but rather conventional release methods.
Thanks for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it. Self bondage is great, but the release is the issue. Alexa combined with a timed plug to limit risk if alexa fails is possible. But not ideal. This is why it is disabled in this tease right now until I come up with a good way to make it work
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am [Just out of curiosity: Would the tease also work in bondage, i.e. without any mouse or keyboard actions?]
Yes, once you get to the point where main tease is started after all the intro stuff, no need for any interaction
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am I was also a bit confused on the instructions with the ramp up at the beginning; I agree with the comments before that you should try to keep this as simple as possible, to also fit with as much device types as possible.
It would be ideal if I could make power increase over time in the tease, but not easy to do with the randomisation of the girls. So this is an ET312b function
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am As a 2b user though, I also had some of the reported issues with having no signal. I know that it is difficult for non-2b users to solve, but nevertheless I'd like to give you some information on my findings. Using the testing-skip Button, the following girls didn't work: Adrianna, Asa, Gia, Jesse, Cheri (at least at the beginning), Emma. I'm not sure if I covered all though.
Never used this box so can't comment. I still intend to release the code and files when done with the tease so you can amend and create a 2b version when I do this
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am To give you a bit of background info on how the 2b works, at least from my understanding: The 2b is not a stereostim device, but processes signals into its own waveforms. In general, this can feel quite good (e.g. all the non-pain files from the tower are great), but due to the processing, certain types of files can result in no feeling.
I am not a techie, but my observation is that the 2b seems to be rather slow when it comes to processing changes in a signal. When listening to the pain files in the milovana teases, it seems that these rely on a fast-changing signal. I guess that the signal processing of the 2b is just overwhelmed by these changes, resulting in a lack of input.
Another "issue" with pain files on the 2b is that increasing the volume has a rather limited effect, as this does not directly affect the output level of the signals, but only the processing. Minor deviations in volume (like 10%) therefore result in very limited changes (if at all).
Same as above, please create 2b specific version when i release everything
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am A possible solution to this would be to rethink the concept of painfiles for the 2b. As increasing the volume does not solely work to induce pain, the stim files need to be produced in a way which makes them feel uncomfortable instead. This is usually the case with sharp changing files.
I have to admit that I'm not good at making stimfiles, but I was playing around a bit with my 2b and a signal generator to find out what might work. Let's imagine a continous signal which is simply switched on and off in a certain pace. As stated before, the pace should be slow enough to let the 2b process the signal. For me, it turned out that a signal should be at least 1000-1200ms on, breaks should be at least 300ms. Most importantly, there shouldn't be any ramp in the pulses, to make them sharp.
I uploaded the results of my tests so that you can get an idea. As I said, I'm not good at making stimfiles so there probably is lots of room for improvements, but I hope this could be eventually a common starting point to also make the 2b users happy. :-)
wakwak wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:10 am Link: https://ufile.io/3fq6lenv [unfortunately the file will expire in 30 days - any hint for a permanent filehoster without registration?]
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otto_dix wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:12 am I have been enjoying using volume 2 of the Estim Experiment, even though I am a 2B user. Frankly, it means I get a rest during some sessions.

Is there supposed to be a final session designed for orgasm? One time I had a mind-blowing final session (with a model on a beach).
Yes, at the end you have the beach session with the main mistress. You have to keep playing until the tease decides to send you t this end session though. Good to hear it got the job done for you :-D
otto_dix wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:12 am If you are thinking ahead to a program for people to use with selfbondage, then we need to know how long to set a release timer. Now-a-days, we can use accurate timer locks. It would be nice to know at the beginning of the session how long we have to set the timer.
While this would be a good workaround, the tease is randomised so the length of each session is different
otto_dix wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:12 am Better still, the user should be able to pick short, medium, or long bondage sessions. The model tells us when to activate the timer.
This is a good idea. I don't have time to rebuild this tease, but will bear in mind for future releases in the series
otto_dix wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:12 am All of us 2B users are awaiting the next firmware update to see if it helps with pain sessions.
Any news on this yet?
otto_dix wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:12 am I can't wait for my first selfbondage session and risking an early orgasm. Best to advise users to set up an emergency release. I bind my wrists with thick zip-ties, held to the head board with a third zip-tie and a timer cable lock. I have a string that runs from my wrist to a pair of plyers, then tied to a jug of water. To escape early, I need to spill the jug.
I understand, but point of this tease is forced orgasms, so early orgasms means torture until you recover a bit, then forced to cum again. Emergency release is always a good idea though. Forgetting about the tease, imagine worst case scenario there is a fire in the house! So I would never recommend a full self bondage with no way to escape.
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thebears73 wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:35 am Where is the Skip Test button? never found it!!!
It is on the first page of the tease. There is no skip button later in the tease though as when i tried this it was super glitchy
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boundupone wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:46 pm
thebears73 wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:35 am Where is the Skip Test button? never found it!!!
It is on the first page of the tease. There is no skip button later in the tease though as when i tried this it was super glitchy
Ok i thought there was one you could skip a mistress. Must say I'm not seeing any improvements when i keep trying. Had 5 windows open the other day and only got the same few girls, not sure how 'random' is selected and of those more than half have very little signal for the 2b! :-(

What is the best box to use for stereo stiim? I dont want to make my own, but need to get past this inferior 2B set up, which wasn't cheap.....


Keep it up, wish i had the skills to do it. thanks
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thebears73 wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:45 am
boundupone wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:46 pm
thebears73 wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:35 am Where is the Skip Test button? never found it!!!
It is on the first page of the tease. There is no skip button later in the tease though as when i tried this it was super glitchy
Ok i thought there was one you could skip a mistress. Must say I'm not seeing any improvements when i keep trying. Had 5 windows open the other day and only got the same few girls, not sure how 'random' is selected and of those more than half have very little signal for the 2b! :-(

What is the best box to use for stereo stiim? I dont want to make my own, but need to get past this inferior 2B set up, which wasn't cheap.....


Keep it up, wish i had the skills to do it. thanks
Best box as far as i am concerned is erostek et312b, but again not cheap.

Random should be random, and after each girl she should be disabled so you do not get her again. So you will see the same girls each session, but not in same order, and not necessarily all each time as finish is also randomised.
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Hi everyone,

OK, I havent had time to work on the tease recently, but I want to make the code, images and stim files available to allow people to work on their own mods.

I am super excited to see what you guys can come up with.

Please let me know what you create by dropping me a pm with details

Happy stimming :-P

https://drive.google.com/open?id=11PEiG ... dyHEEsIH58
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