Tease AI General Discussion

[FalconDark4]

I am not sure if what I did is of any use to you guys, but I found that you can decompile (or at least some parts...I did'n try to decompile it all) the program using JetBrains dotPick. I am no professional programmer so I don't know if you can use it.

I can also help with some minor coding if you need me, even though I am no professional. I have 3 years experience in c++ and a little in java, but I can learn things fast. VB does not seem that hard to work with

[FalconDark4]

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Another thing that concerns me is leagality? If we can take the code from the actual program are we stealing it? Doesn't 1885 has some rights for the program? Again I am not really an expert on those things

[justsomeguy345521]

I don't think this is about being illegal to start his project over, it's more of an ethical/moral matter.

I'm honestly concerned if 1885 is OK - it's been a month without any sign of existence. I understand taking a break or having a difficult situation in life but a month without a single sign on a big project like this seems unlikely. Sorry for being grim, I hope he is OK anyway. I once had a friend that went silent for three months and when he returned he said he got called to the army and had no access to internet - perhaps it's a similar situation.

As to the project itself I definitely think it's 1885's decision to make if he wants Tease AI to be rewritten or not, however I think another 60 days to declare the project abandoned is fair.

In the event of 1885 not returning (please come back though ) I think rewriting the code is a better option as 1885 himself said it's 'a bit of a mess' and I know from my little experience that good code is easy to maintain, modify and improve. I really love all the options he created though, especially the tumblr implementations and the way the scripts can be written and customized.

I have little experience with programming (only know python and not on advanced level) so unfortunately I can't help much in coding but thought I'd give my two cents as well.

With all that being said I have huge respect for 1885 for all the effort and the amazing outcome that I think this project shows.
Also many thanks to all of you guys - lets keep this alive.

[Lestat]

Yeah, wait another 60 day for now and we will see at the moment.

I hope 1885 is fine too...

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Sorry guys I have been very busy over the week-end and couldn't start to work on anything

And even worse, I expected the summer to be very calm so that I would have time to work on side projects like this one but I just got a new customer this morning so I'll be busy for the next 4-5 weeks... That means that from the few hours a day I expected to do I'll probably down to a few hours a week.

So I guess that'll let more time to 1885 to hopefully come back and render all that discussion moot

I still had time to think more about how to architect the parser to make it works and be very easy to extend so hopefully I'll find time to at least put that to the test. I still think the prototype approach to see what we can do each on our own and compare result is the best for now so that we have more options later down the road. That could also spawn some ideas we can discuss with 1885

For the legality of decompiling it depends on the law in your country but if 1885 comes back I doubt he will attack you in justice for that and if he is back I think we all agree that we start back from what he had anyway. I'm still curious if the code you decompiled is usable or not. It's usually very low level and user for retro-engineering not to revive a project

[FalconDark4]

I also think it is better to wait another 60 days and then see what we have to do. If 1885 does not come back (please come back ) I think recoding would be a much better solution. From my limited experience I know that java would be a great choice; plus our brothers from Mac and Linux would be able to join the fun too

Until then let's hope that 1885 is alright

[Sisyphuster]

Guys, please remember that no one is threatening to:

A) Erase 1885's work

B) Take credit/ownership of the project

OR

C) Make money from the project

I think the community as a whole would completely revolt if anyone suggested any one of those things. I don't see there being a need for anyone to wait any longer or get 1885's permission to work on the project. He made it open source for a reason.

If he comes back (And I TRULY hope he does!!!), and he doesn't like the things people have done, he can just continue where he left off?

I'm not even sure what the controversy is, frankly.

There are some people willing and able to pick up the mantle and carry on. We should be grateful and encouraging to them, no reason to wait any amount of time, because passions could very well cool off. I say do it!

(And do it on Java, because I have a mac! Just kidding do whatever's best.)

[mmc1992]

Guys, please remember that no one is threatening to:

A) Erase 1885's work

B) Take credit/ownership of the project

OR

C) Make money from the project

I think the community as a whole would completely revolt if anyone suggested any one of those things. I don't see there being a need for anyone to wait any longer or get 1885's permission to work on the project. He made it open source for a reason.

If he comes back (And I TRULY hope he does!!!), and he doesn't like the things people have done, he can just continue where he left off?

I'm not even sure what the controversy is, frankly.

There are some people willing and able to pick up the mantle and carry on. We should be grateful and encouraging to them, no reason to wait any amount of time, because passions could very well cool off. I say do it!

(And do it on Java, because I have a mac! Just kidding do whatever's best.)

You built a brand new garage. You did 90% of the work yourself, then you told some friends they could come over and help if they wanted to; and you put your shared your garage blueprints with them.

It was a great garage.

After a few weeks you went on a vacation for an indeterminate amount of time, but left your garage there (obviously). You come back and your friends have started to work on your garage and changed the shape, colour, size, and just general design on your garage while you were gone, using new tools you're not familiar with, without asking your permission (because you were gone).

You can no longer work on your garage, because someone has changed it into something you don't understand.

How would you feel? Violated? Stolen from? Betrayed?

If you say you wouldn't feel any of those, you'd be a liar.

Leave his garage alone until there is a reasonably good consensus that he won't be back. It's the ethical thing to do.

And re: if he doesn't like it he can just work on his own program - yes, he could, but I know I'd be too demotivated to bother. Besides, human nature is that those who put all the effort into the new program wouldn't want to stop just because one man has returned. He'd then have to compete against essentially his own (and at this point) stolen creation.

[Lestat]

I could not agree more

[mmc1992]

I could not agree more

I like analogies :P

[opiate]

1885 created a program that was next evolutionary step in terms of web teasing.
No one can take that away from him.
With that said...
A 60 day grace is both for 1885 and any developer who would be willing to pick up 1885's work, or start their own.
Restoring patch 29 to the current Tease AI build would probably take every bit of 2 months, building a new program from scratch will probably take the better part of half a year, and that's if there's an entire team wanting to do it.
60 days gives 1885 time to return, and time for the existing or a new project to be undertaken.

The fact is, in today's age of global communication, 1885's disappearance is troubling to say the least.
The 60 day grace is more like Tenacious D's - Dude

[Sisyphuster]

You can no longer work on your garage,

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Of course he can. No one is suggesting we erase any of 1885's work. His program is exactly where he left it. When he comes back, he can ignore everything that's happened after and pick up exactly where he left off. Sorry, but I still don't even see the controversy.

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Open source doesn't mean that we should do whatever we want with the project. Forking it left and right is not a good idea especially if you breaks the compatibility with existing scripts

A project need direction and for now the one that should be in charge of that is 1885. If after a while he still doesn't come back and we can start a new direction. And if he comes back after we have done that, we'll see how he reacts and where we go from there.

For now it's pointless to argue or try to make conjuncture about it since from what I saw :
1. There is no blocking bug preventing people to use the apps
2. We only have 2 advanced persona being released (Opiate's and mine) and we are probably the most eager to get new stuff to make them even better
3. Nobody seems to have much time to commit to work on the project for at least a few weeks

I'd rather see people to make more scripts or giving ideas/helping develop the current persona or volunteering to write some documentation than arguing whether we should rewrite it now or later or never or in XX languages.

I started this debate to see if there was some more people motivated and since it is heating up that means people really like this project which is a very good thing. But that doesn't mean we should rush each in our side in different ways with the goal to make our own TeaseAI. Hence the idea of developing small part prototypes and see what we have after a while. People can work at their pace, in whatever language they want, on whatever part they want and then we'll see if use any or none or all.

On a side note I was thinking of starting a repo on github for documentation and maybe hosting the scripts as it allows us to have version tracking, bug tracking and free website hosting...
But I fear that github might be a bit complex as you need an account and know how to use it. Can someone not familiar with it try https://try.github.io and tell me if it's understandable enough or if we should think of another solution

[Lestat]

Open source doesn't mean that we should do whatever we want with the project. Forking it left and right is not a good idea especially if you breaks the compatibility with existing scripts

A project need direction and for now the one that should be in charge of that is 1885. If after a while he still doesn't come back and we can start a new direction. And if he comes back after we have done that, we'll see how he reacts and where we go from there.

For now it's pointless to argue or try to make conjuncture about it since from what I saw :
1. There is no blocking bug preventing people to use the apps
2. We only have 2 advanced persona being released (Opiate's and mine) and we are probably the most eager to get new stuff to make them even better
3. Nobody seems to have much time to commit to work on the project for at least a few weeks

I totally agree, escpecially with what I bolded.

I'd rather see people to make more scripts or giving ideas/helping develop the current persona or volunteering to write some documentation than arguing whether we should rewrite it now or later or never or in XX languages.

I think having new scripts is one of the most important thing to have Tease Ai alive, even more as there's no major blocking bugs that prevent us to use Tease Ai as you said.
I just started making scripts (one already available). My first one was just a simple start and now I'm trying something a bit more "complex", but for me it will take some time to really understand and manage all the scripting aspects. On this aspect I think creating a "Tease Ai scripting help" thread could be a good idea because even with 1885's documentation it seems to me that some things or explanations on certain point are missing or not really clear.
Maybe a thread like that would motivate people to script as they will know where to find support, especially when starting. But do we have enough people that manage Ai scripting and have time to look about it and answer? I wonder...
Tell me what do you think about a scripting help thread.

I started this debate to see if there was some more people motivated and since it is heating up that means people really like this project which is a very good thing. But that doesn't mean we should rush each in our side in different ways with the goal to make our own TeaseAI. Hence the idea of developing small part prototypes and see what we have after a while. People can work at their pace, in whatever language they want, on whatever part they want and then we'll see if use any or none or all.

As I have absolutely no knowledge about programming I can't help I think... But I agree.

On a side note I was thinking of starting a repo on github for documentation and maybe hosting the scripts as it allows us to have version tracking, bug tracking and free website hosting...
But I fear that github might be a bit complex as you need an account and know how to use it. Can someone not familiar with it try https://try.github.io and tell me if it's understandable enough or if we should think of another solution

I just look at it and I didn't even see where it would host files And I'm not sure that for files hosting a site where you need an account would be the best.

[mr-max]

I just would like to through in my 2 Cents to the discussion. ;) 1885 is great at what he does, the stuff he is releasing is awesome. His teases are some of my all time favorites. Unfortunately he seems to have the habit of not finishing what he so brilliantly started (and to add a pun: it fits that he is choosing CM Punk as a quoting persona! ;)). He has two unbelievable intense and wicked tease series that never got finished waiting for the final episodes. That's why I feared something like this might happen. That's not saying that I don't believe he will be back and work on this project. Everybody needs some creative break and he has proven to return again and work on not finished projects.

I agree with Lestat on the new scripts. If there is more happening creatively the project will stay alive and get better even without touching the code. What opiate did with the starting script is amazing. I believe the current version of TeaseAI already has very big potential and can deliver much more than we see now. (Same happend with Flash Teases, they got more crazy and creative over time).

We should really have a way to extend personalities in an easy way. I would be happy to add a module here and there. And I would like to extend Swiss for example by throughing in some modules of other guys. But we need a way to have an overview of exiting modules, games etc. So I can decide if I want to add some kink that fits my taste. A managed database of community scripts would be a good start to not hand pick stuff out of posts. We should seriously think about something like that. I saw the idea of some google drive or similar somewhere. If this is well organized (eg. folders for kinks etc.) this could really get something started. Adding some smaller bits and customizing a personality with stuff from others is much easyier than writing a whole new domme!

What do you say? ;)