Claire Evans Gloryhole Vids (pg. 3) and Discussion

[fapmandoo]

This is a pretty interesting topic. On the one hand, I found the OP to be unnecessarily mean-spirited. I don't quite understand what it is about this chick's retirement from porn and subsequent attempt to cover up her involvement in it inspired such a heated reaction. Im skeptical about her entire account of her experience in porn, but that's a different story altogether.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty surprised by some of the more Captain-Save-a-Ho type responses to this thread. This community and this subforum in particular is comprised of people who are very much fixated on pornography and myriad ways to pleasure ourselves. In fact, we are so into porn that a good chunk of our community spends countless hours putting together custom porn compilations completely free of charge. I'm sure I don't need to inform you that sex-positive feminism is a minority view among feminists and the types of folks who consider themselves gender egalitarians. The kinds of people who throw around terms like "misogyny" on the whole are typically opposed to porn, and they would most likely find a site like this one to be horrifying. I would be very hesitant to use any term like that against one of our own, given that there's a whole gaggle of social justice warriors out there who would shut this site down without hesitation if given the opportunity.

When you're sitting back after a long work day jerking yourself silly to Flux Dance 3, you are objectifying women, many if not most of whom are not really enjoying the sex they're having on screen all that much, if at all. The only thing you are celebrating by being part of this community is your own sexual pleasure. I dont think theres anything wrong with that, otherwise i wouldnt be here. But no one should be under the impression that we're on some moral high ground here. If we're honest with ourselves, we are by and large a bunch of oversexed guys who like to jerk off a lot, usually to women that are much younger than us and our significant others, and a good portion of whom only end up in porn out of desperation and stupidity. What we celebrate here for the most part is sexuality in its most puerile and base form. And in doing so, we prop up the very industry that chewed up and spat out Ms. Evans without any hesitation.

[jackstock]

Fapmandoo, killin it!
Theres plenty of objectification going on in this forum. Porn does that. And you also objectify yourself when you use it as well.
I wish the industry was better than that. But it isnt.
Milovana is really funny like that. Enjoying porn so much and yet upholding some form of ultimate female pride and encouragement. Its the reason i love this forum though.

[alchemi183]

...I am sure Seraph0x would have wanted the discussion to have been allowed to continue....

Oh dear, did I miss an announcement about Seraph0x?

[Banquo]

This is a pretty interesting topic. On the one hand, I found the OP to be unnecessarily mean-spirited. I don't quite understand what it is about this chick's retirement from porn and subsequent attempt to cover up her involvement in it inspired such a heated reaction. Im skeptical about her entire account of her experience in porn, but that's a different story altogether.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty surprised by some of the more Captain-Save-a-Ho type responses to this thread. This community and this subforum in particular is comprised of people who are very much fixated on pornography and myriad ways to pleasure ourselves. In fact, we are so into porn that a good chunk of our community spends countless hours putting together custom porn compilations completely free of charge. I'm sure I don't need to inform you that sex-positive feminism is a minority view among feminists and the types of folks who consider themselves gender egalitarians. The kinds of people who throw around terms like "misogyny" on the whole are typically opposed to porn, and they would most likely find a site like this one to be horrifying. I would be very hesitant to use any term like that against one of our own, given that there's a whole gaggle of social justice warriors out there who would shut this site down without hesitation if given the opportunity.

When you're sitting back after a long work day jerking yourself silly to Flux Dance 3, you are objectifying women, many if not most of whom are not really enjoying the sex they're having on screen all that much, if at all. The only thing you are celebrating by being part of this community is your own sexual pleasure. I dont think theres anything wrong with that, otherwise i wouldnt be here. But no one should be under the impression that we're on some moral high ground here. If we're honest with ourselves, we are by and large a bunch of oversexed guys who like to jerk off a lot, usually to women that are much younger than us and our significant others, and a good portion of whom only end up in porn out of desperation and stupidity. What we celebrate here for the most part is sexuality in its most puerile and base form. And in doing so, we prop up the very industry that chewed up and spat out Ms. Evans without any hesitation.

I have to say I disagree with your entire argument here, this may be your experience of porn and milo, and it may be the experience of group of people who use this website. But I am 100% certain that it doesn't represent the experience of everyone who uses this website/ porn.

Sure by using/ buying porn we prop up the industry that chewed her up and spat her out, but that doesn't mean we all have to act like cockman did, or to condone his actions.

I wish the industry was better than that. But it isnt.

Let me put it another way, most of us are here because we love/use porn. You say that the kind of people who throw around the term misogyny would be opposed to porn and that social warriors would want the site shut down. They are more likely to get their way, and frankly have a point, if people support and reinforce the blackmail of young girls like Claire Evans. Surely it's better for the industry to see that it's users don't support this kind of behaviour?

This is one of the things I meant earlier in the thread when I said that posts like Cockman's (which I notice he has yet again edited) harm us all. I use this site a lot, I use porn a lot, but I don't want society to associate porn users with the kind of attitudes expressed by Cockman. That just gives society all the fuel and ammunition they need to further vilify the industry and those who enjoy it.

...I am sure Seraph0x would have wanted the discussion to have been allowed to continue....

Oh dear, did I miss an announcement about Seraph0x?

Sorry I didn't mean that to sound like Ph0x had passed on to the big giant server in the sky. I'm sure/hope We just haven't heard from him in a while.

[servufon]

This is a pretty interesting topic. On the one hand, I found the OP to be unnecessarily mean-spirited. I don't quite understand what it is about this chick's retirement from porn and subsequent attempt to cover up her involvement in it inspired such a heated reaction. Im skeptical about her entire account of her experience in porn, but that's a different story altogether.

On the other hand, I'm actually pretty surprised by some of the more Captain-Save-a-Ho type responses to this thread. This community and this subforum in particular is comprised of people who are very much fixated on pornography and myriad ways to pleasure ourselves. In fact, we are so into porn that a good chunk of our community spends countless hours putting together custom porn compilations completely free of charge. I'm sure I don't need to inform you that sex-positive feminism is a minority view among feminists and the types of folks who consider themselves gender egalitarians. The kinds of people who throw around terms like "misogyny" on the whole are typically opposed to porn, and they would most likely find a site like this one to be horrifying. I would be very hesitant to use any term like that against one of our own, given that there's a whole gaggle of social justice warriors out there who would shut this site down without hesitation if given the opportunity.

When you're sitting back after a long work day jerking yourself silly to Flux Dance 3, you are objectifying women, many if not most of whom are not really enjoying the sex they're having on screen all that much, if at all. The only thing you are celebrating by being part of this community is your own sexual pleasure. I dont think theres anything wrong with that, otherwise i wouldnt be here. But no one should be under the impression that we're on some moral high ground here. If we're honest with ourselves, we are by and large a bunch of oversexed guys who like to jerk off a lot, usually to women that are much younger than us and our significant others, and a good portion of whom only end up in porn out of desperation and stupidity. What we celebrate here for the most part is sexuality in its most puerile and base form. And in doing so, we prop up the very industry that chewed up and spat out Ms. Evans without any hesitation.

re, " sex-positive feminism is a minority view among feminists and the types of folks who consider themselves gender egalitarians" i'd say i wonder how true that is or not? in any case i suspect it varies greatly both regionally and age-wise (and probably along a few other demographic factors); the majority of feminists i know are sex-positive (and by no means do i present that as other than what it is, anecdotal; i live in a big city and i'm 50 years old but tend to know younger people); i've very rarely met a feminist in the last 5 or so years who was anti-porn or believed it necessarily objectifies women (versus that it objectifies both men and women)

ps - in general, in the media, i've seen primarily divided views among feminists re pornography, and generally along age lines (<50 pro- or ambivalent on porn, >60 anti-, just roughly speaking).

[andy wood]

fapmandoo,

I'm sure I don't need to inform you that sex-positive feminism is a minority view among feminists and the types of folks who consider themselves gender egalitarians. The kinds of people who throw around terms like "misogyny" on the whole are typically opposed to porn, and they would most likely find a site like this one to be horrifying. I would be very hesitant to use any term like that against one of our own, given that there's a whole gaggle of social justice warriors out there who would shut this site down without hesitation if given the opportunity.

Actually, you do "need to inform me". In fact, you "need to convince me, by citing credible evidence". I am not sure how statistically common "sex-positive feminism" is as a viewpoint, but it is the correct viewpoint.

the majority of feminists i know are sex-positive (and by no means do i present that as other than what it is, anecdotal; i live in a big city and i'm 50 years old but tend to know younger people); i've very rarely met a feminist in the last 5 or so years who was anti-porn or believed it necessarily objectifies women (versus that it objectifies both men and women)ps - in general, in the media, i've seen primarily divided views among feminists re pornography, and generally along age lines (<50 pro- or ambivalent on porn, >60 anti-, just roughly speaking).

Servufon, you may be correct. If so, then maybe Fapmandoo is elderly.

You say that the kind of people who throw around the term misogyny would be opposed to porn and that social warriors would want the site shut down. They are more likely to get their way, and frankly have a point, if people support and reinforce the blackmail of young girls like Claire Evans. Surely it's better for the industry to see that it's users don't support this kind of behaviour?

Banquo, I completely agree. Porn does not have to be evil, and in many cases is not. I plan on celebrating the good stuff and condemning the bad stuff. I hope most other people on Milovana will do so as well.

[book_guy]

Interesting developments. I don't really side on one or the other extreme on the developing axis between Cap'n-Sav-a-Ho (rofl, best nick ever!) or, to the opposite, the OP's mean-spirited misogyny. I kind of figure all sides have some degree of merit. I also don't side for or against the changes to this thread, removing links or leaving them up or rewriting the first post or whatever. Again, not sure.

But I was a bit surprised at the degree to which people responded to what initially was obviously (at least, so it seemed to me) an attempt at attention-grabbing and basically trolling. As far as I could tell, the first post went something like, "Hey, here's a post that responds to quite literally nothing. Here's my opinion. I think this particular human female deserves gross derision and abuse, so now I'm going to RANT ABOUT HER OUT OF THE BLUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON and then when I'm done with that, then, uh ... then I'm going to kind of not make any other point at all so uh ... now y'all talk amongst ya'selves. Oh and PEOPLE WHO DO PORN DESERVE IT. See, it's on-topic because I said the word 'porn.' See?" That's about what it looked like to me.

So, because there was so much unfounded derision flying about from the mouth of the OP and then a complementary level of counter-derision reciprocated, I posted (once! doh!) about how SOME people think of power-tripping as sexy. I didn't mean to criticize OR condone that assessment, which happens in other people's heads, that links sexiness with power-tripping. I just meant to report on it, point it out. Seems that kind of stoked the flames so, uh, should I feel sorry for that? My bad, if so.

I now feel like I ought to do some research and figure out what the hell we're all talking about. But it seems that I can't find pictures of this girl, except for the ones that make her look exactly like a more well-known porn star who is NOT the girl in question. So, really, all I can add is, I just don't effin' GET it. Where the FARK did that original post COME from? So much ... anger, little padwan, so much harshness ..

[zingg]

I was a bit surprised at the degree to which people responded to what initially was obviously (at least, so it seemed to me) an attempt at attention-grabbing and basically trolling. As far as I could tell, the first post went something like, "Hey, here's a post that responds to quite literally nothing. Here's my opinion. I think this particular human female deserves gross derision and abuse, so now I'm going to RANT ABOUT HER OUT OF THE BLUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON and then when I'm done with that, then, uh ... then I'm going to kind of not make any other point at all so uh ... now y'all talk amongst ya'selves. Oh and PEOPLE WHO DO PORN DESERVE IT. See, it's on-topic because I said the word 'porn.' See?" That's about what it looked like to me.

This is precisely why I didn't comment earlier. Someone being that hateful is probably trolling, and even if they're not, the best way to deal with it is to not bump the thread at all.

[alchemi183]

...I am sure Seraph0x would have wanted the discussion to have been allowed to continue....

Oh dear, did I miss an announcement about Seraph0x?

Sorry I didn't mean that to sound like Ph0x had passed on to the big giant server in the sky. I'm sure/hope We just haven't heard from him in a while.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I think you're right about his philosophy regarding the forums--censor as little as possible, except for spam or if a thread is getting really out of hand and I appreciate the way you handled this one.

[Coder]

Interesting developments. I don't really side on one or the other extreme on the developing axis between Cap'n-Sav-a-Ho (rofl, best nick ever!) or, to the opposite, the OP's mean-spirited misogyny. I kind of figure all sides have some degree of merit. I also don't side for or against the changes to this thread, removing links or leaving them up or rewriting the first post or whatever. Again, not sure.

But I was a bit surprised at the degree to which people responded to what initially was obviously (at least, so it seemed to me) an attempt at attention-grabbing and basically trolling. As far as I could tell, the first post went something like, "Hey, here's a post that responds to quite literally nothing. Here's my opinion. I think this particular human female deserves gross derision and abuse, so now I'm going to RANT ABOUT HER OUT OF THE BLUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON and then when I'm done with that, then, uh ... then I'm going to kind of not make any other point at all so uh ... now y'all talk amongst ya'selves. Oh and PEOPLE WHO DO PORN DESERVE IT. See, it's on-topic because I said the word 'porn.' See?" That's about what it looked like to me.

So, because there was so much unfounded derision flying about from the mouth of the OP and then a complementary level of counter-derision reciprocated, I posted (once! doh!) about how SOME people think of power-tripping as sexy. I didn't mean to criticize OR condone that assessment, which happens in other people's heads, that links sexiness with power-tripping. I just meant to report on it, point it out. Seems that kind of stoked the flames so, uh, should I feel sorry for that? My bad, if so.

I now feel like I ought to do some research and figure out what the hell we're all talking about. But it seems that I can't find pictures of this girl, except for the ones that make her look exactly like a more well-known porn star who is NOT the girl in question. So, really, all I can add is, I just don't effin' GET it. Where the FARK did that original post COME from? So much ... anger, little padwan, so much harshness ..

Long story short(ish), up & coming porn stars' bf recognised her (yeah that's a stupid sentence, she was doing the least secret career in 'secret' apparently) and told her religious dad, who went ape shit. She stopped doing shoots, but kept talking (all pornoers seem to take part in porn forums these days). About 6 months later her father found out she was still "involved" with porn, even if 'retired', then she went into 'delete fucking everything' mode. Sometime after that, daddy bought her legal advice wrt to hardcore shoots that she couldn't get taken down (because of course she can't, but most places had done it for PR reasons/as a nicety) and the youtube vids were made to be the top results in google searches on the subject. They carefully avoid slander & the police aren't involved & they're best described as "obviously false". The GHS stuff is what you'll mostly find, but she did quite a lot of shoots with a variety of people, mostly solo, but some hard....including a bj at FTVideos IIRC (which doesn't usually do that, but she was apparently really keen on sucking cock). She was getting really popular, more and more hardcore (rumoured to be about to be doing facialabuse shoot at time of retirement), so people were very disappointed that she quit, then a year or so later when she started saying people were going to hell & needed to save themselves from the evil of masturbation & claiming she was forced into it (I think she's backtracked on the religious stuff to just deleting everything she can, I don't know, I don't care to pay any more attention) people were angry.

[jackstock]

Coder, are you saying that the youtube videos make false claims? Do you think its a cover up? Wasnt really forced into it?
Interesting

[book_guy]

Long story short(ish)...

Thanks! That fills me in, for about as much info as my curiosity needed. I probably couldn't really have put it all together on my own with merely Google as a guide, now that the person involved has been pro-actively asking for removal and many places have complied, so 's great you helped me out. Thankee ...

[craftytouch]

Just saw ran across this and thought I'd help.

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Lotsa cum swallowed.

[cockman]

She loves cum this little 18 yr old slut.


Also loves cryin about it on youtube. :P