[Release] Cock Hero: Remix 4 - Sex Mashup

[alchemi183]

This is the second time ANONHERO had deleted his account. I wouldn't take it too personally. I thought everyone was nice enough about their suggestions.

[Willy123]

Actually, I don't think everyone was nice enough about their suggestions, some sounded like dicks.
At least ANONHERO was a contributer and not just another critic.

Play nice, guys

[sissy.sandra]

As a very self-conscious and terribly insecure person, who is always my own worst critic, I must confess that I can understand and sympathize with his reaction. I've been conflicted about whether I should speak up on the subject or not, but when I saw this thread I figured there's some legitimacy to doing so.

Where does this "review" culture come from? Outside of these forums, people who review and critique the work of others usually restrict themselves to paid products and services. You can read a movie review before you buy a ticket, or a restaurant review before you buy a meal. It makes sense, because you're buying something and you don't want to waste your money on something that could turn out to be not to your liking. I can understand and appreciate that.

But what we are talking about here is people taking time out of their day to make something for you, free of charge. It's a gift, and I learned as a child that the respectful and well-mannered approach to receiving gifts, is not too look a gift horse in the mouth. If you enjoy the video, say so. If you don't... you haven't lost anything (except maybe a few minutes of your life). If you're worried about the bandwidth spent, just watch the video on the streaming site, but what good does it do anyone at all, that you tell us that you personally didn't like it?

Am I totally wrong here?

Another point is the constructiveness of the critique. Why do people feel it necessary to let you know that they didn't like the music in your video? Or some of the models? Or the tempo? Those are personal preferences that serve no actual purpose for any other person than yourself, but venting it at the creator of the movie is pretty unsympathetic.

In my very humble opinion, If you just have to review the film, why not try to keep your personal preferences out the matter? To illustrate the point:

Bad review: "I don't like the tempo. It's too fast and I don't care for that electronic music you used. Personally I didn't like that you used PORNSTAR-X, because I find her ugly".

Good review: "The movie was fast paced with electronic trance music, so if that's you thing this might be for you. Also, the movie features quite a lot of footage of PORNSTAR-X. "

Notice the difference? The latter review doesn't take a dump on the producer's efforts. It doesn't waste other people's time with irrelevant personal preferences and it still provides the information that people need to be able to judge if they would like this movie before downloading it.

And those were my two cents on this matter.

XoXo

Sandra

[Willy123]

yeh, what he said

[prawndiddy]

As someone who tries to give (constructive) feedback on as many videos as possible, I would say I do it because it's been solicited from many of the authors who have wanted to take a stab at making a CH video but don't have any experience in video editing. Not everyone is sure that their approach is a good one, so a lot of first releases are trial runs, so to speak.

Sorry if you weren't looking for feedback on your video. If you're making them for yourself (or someone in particular) and just being nice to share with the community, then it is what it is and you can ignore people trying to give input. If you're looking to tailor your content to your viewership, then while the respondants are only a vocal minority of the total viewers, they're also the only potentially representative sample you have to go by.

As for anonhero, like someone else said he's deleted his account before when he was afraid of his porn being discovered. I really doubt this was because some people didn't like his video. If he actually deleted his account to remove all of his posts because of this video's feedback, I'd be very surprised.

-- Also, over in the webtease forum most of the posts are feedback ("FB") posts. Most of the time it's the author starting the thread, or sometimes it's someone loving or finding issues with it. I think the simplest answer to your question is that the culture here at Milo, that I've seen, is one of 2-way communication between author and viewers.

[sissy.sandra]

Sorry if you weren't looking for feedback on your video. If you're making them for yourself (or someone in particular) and just being nice to share with the community, then it is what it is and you can ignore people trying to give input. If you're looking to tailor your content to your viewership, then while the respondants are only a vocal minority of the total viewers, they're also the only potentially representative sample you have to go by.

People have been very kind with their comments on my release thread, and I do appreciate constructive criticism and feedback. One guy told me that the beat meter sound was pretty low at places, which is true and I aim to fix this in the next movie. That's good and constructive feedback that can help a developing editor to make a better product.

My point was simply that stating that you don't like something because of personal preferences is not good critique. At best it does nothing, at worst it can potentially demotivate the video creator. As illustrated in my previous post, you can inform without being negative. For instance, in this particular thread, where people were saying "unplayable, wasted download" because there was no meter or metronome sound, they could just as easily have written something like:

"Information to potential downloaders, this video does not contain a beat-meter so if you don't like video's without beat meters, you should probably try a different movie".

Does that make sense? Really, at the heart of things, all I'm saying is be nice and civil to each other.

And I'm saying it on an internet forum. Am I a complete idiot?

[Charrma]

The scene from Pulp Fiction where Jules and Vincent talk to Mr. Wolf in Jimmy's kitchen comes to my mind while reading the last few postings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgzFPOMjiC8

[Coder]

"Information to potential downloaders, this video does not contain a beat-meter so if you don't like video's without beat meters, you should probably try a different movie".

Nah, ya see.....flux dance doesn't have a beat meter. That's not the problem, the problem is it's....unplayable.

My comment was brief, but not, IMO, insulting. Certainly not intended as being insulting....intended as being...accurate. I posted it because I'd have liked it to already have been posted before I viewed the thread.....I wasn't really critiquing the file at all...I was saying it wasn't what it said on the tin.

I kinda disagree with most of what you say, (dislike the facebook style of only a like option) but.....I don't really see how your comments apply to this thread anyways....people weren't criticising his video, just pointing out that it isn't a cockhero video.

[Jupiter]

Nah, ya see.....flux dance doesn't have a beat meter. That's not the problem, the problem is it's....unplayable.

My comment was brief, but not, IMO, insulting. Certainly not intended as being insulting....

As much as I'd hate to take sides, I have to disagree.

If I went to up a director after a movie premier and told him his film was unwatchable and a waste of my time, that'd be quite insulting. And that's basically what you did. AH premiered his video here and you insulted it.

I enjoyed the video, and though I lost track of the beat two three times, I didn't find the lack of a stroke sound to be too much of an issue. I was just happy to have porn. I didn't feel the need to tell anyone my opinion, bc my opinion is irrelevant, but since you felt the need to share yours, I'll share mine.


Side note: sissy.sandra's posts in this forum are the most intelligent and well-thought-out blocks of text I have ever read on an adult site. VIRTUAL HIGH FIVE

[ThumpeR11]

I enjoyed the video, and though I lost track of the beat two three times, I didn't find the lack of a stroke sound to be too much of an issue. I was just happy to have porn. I didn't feel the need to tell anyone my opinion, bc my opinion is irrelevant, but since you felt the need to share yours, I'll share mine.

It's in the author's best interest to share your opinion of his work, any and all feedback is constructive to some point, unless it's really just a single person bitching about something personal. But if the majority agrees on something, it can help you fix it or create something better the next time you are at it. If you sacrifice serious time to work on something, you might as well try your best while you're at it.

I, for one, would have been happier if people had more criticism on my CH, even though everybody saying nice things about something you've created is truly one of the best and most uplifting feelings in the world.

[Coder]

@Jupiter, I disagree with your disagreement. Unplayable & unwatchable aren't synonyms....the vid was perfectly watchable, but it can't really be played as a CH. Unplayable isn't "my opinion", it's not an opinion at all, it's a true statement.

Saying a computer game is rubbish, is an opinion......downloading a 'computer game' and it turns out to not actually be a game...saying "this is not a game" isn't an opinion. It is not fair to describe "Your bicycle is not a car" as a criticism of your bicycle. If I went to a movie premier and it turned out to be live performance art, and not a movie at all.....telling the director it isn't a movie isn't an opinion.

Re the feedback thing, personally I want all the feedback I can get that even vaguely approaches constructive, but I didn't intend my comment as feedback for the author, more a warning to others.

I can understand some people not wanting negative feedback, though I have major qualms about such a policy, but I'm not sure much of what's being discussed particularly applies to this thread.

edit:Thumper, IIRC there isn't much to criticise in yours. Make more :D

[Jupiter]

@Jupiter, I disagree with your disagreement. Unplayable & unwatchable aren't synonyms....the vid was perfectly watchable, but it can't really be played as a CH. Unplayable isn't "my opinion", it's not an opinion at all, it's a true statement.

Um no.
I played it. So it's playable. Not anything amazing. But playable.

But either way it's gone now so this whole thread is pretty pointless.

[Willy123]

I disagree with your disaggreeing... err, disagreement

Sandra and Jupiter are pointing out that it's not just the content, but more the way it's put across.
Milovana is a friendly place for pervs and porn freaks so lets not gang up unless we're robbing a diner
(more appropriate I think: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB-k5r1XjWI)

Now everybody hug

here's a fish

[kong]

http://cockhero.bugs3.com/cock-hero-remix-4

[servufon]

just caught up to this, loved it from the hardcore part around 20 minutes on in, great scene selections, thx!!!