What's milo coming to?

[maleloveshumiliation]

I don't see the problem. I wouldn't send money to a random author/person but it is a fantasy/fetish people have. How is it anymore wrong than doing an orgasm denial tease just because it isn't our fetish? I do see the point about this being a free site but people can do what they want with the money they earn at work.

I understand if the tease gets taken down but why waste time complaining about it?

[SexualChoc]

Okay I have to to my wife about this
who has helped me get balance

Now true blackmail is Illegal.
there is no question about that.

BUT there are many "unsafe" things we do every day like
http://www.heartattackgrill.com/
like eating food that has a REALLY good chance of killing you!

I guess I just don't like this particular idea


so if you want to do auto asphyxiation.. tease
or lose money in a blackmail tease I guess it is alright

also would like to apologize to the administration
I over reacted.
just don't complain to us if your broke, or dead, or...

[Nezhul]

well, torture is illegal too. So is slavery. So is sexual harrasment. So is racism and sexism, yet BDSM and Fetish communitys explore those things for FUN, and blackmail is one of those things. Have you ever thought that practically EVERY S&M activity is dangerous if approached without caution? And by the way orgasm denial does serious harm to men's health, particulary prostate, but the whole site is about it.
It always depends on how you approach it. I can believe that being blackmailed or exorted money may bring someone masochistic pleasure, if done right.

[Sexytimes 5]

The problem is that this so called tease isn't providing a fantasy. It is 100% a phishing scam. It's not appropriate to go at it in this way. Come on, an hour after joining? No build up or introduction. Not much different than opening an email with a trojan virus or hack tool except the user knows it's loaded with it. What's wrong about a random person sending out various viruses that infect peoples computers?

The problem is that some people fall for scams like this easily. "Awesome..A trojan horse program..CLICK..bada bing bada boom."

There are blackmail fantasy teases like a recent good one: http://www.milovana.com/webteases/showf ... p?id=20235 that will cater to the fantasy. You know that if the site allows these to stay up then we will soon see them showing up faster than the forum spam and at a higher rate than the legitimate teases our authors put out.

If you want to roleplay the blackmailed for real or blackmail someone for real fantasy shouldn't you hit some other sites that are much more suited for such interactions? The way this was presented is straight up phishing and the goal is far more devious than the link spammers.

[Flogger]

Interesting.

It's obviously not a tease, but a solicitation. So Nezhul, sorry fella but you're wrong. That's you dispensed with (so don't bother replying to me. That's a good boy).

Just before noticing this thread, as I logged on, I noticed something along the lines of 'Male, 18, 8" cock will do ANYTHING..." i.e. what seems to be a desperate sub or wanna be sub.

I wonder what would happen if the two above were to 'hook up'? Responsibility's an interesting thing: the law makes a great living out of arguing who is/isn't responsible and who does/not owe it to others.

I imagine the results could be catastrophic, as could anything done over the internet, and perhaps the more responsible might want to, while not mollycoddle others, recognise that the potential in some things means they should be treated warily.

An obvious point: Fantasy =/= reality.

My dislike of this is that, if successful, as with all scams (and I choose to say it's so because it seems to offer nothing save the promise of something that is nothing more than an implied something) it will lead to more and more. And consequently there will be fewer and fewer good writers exhibiting their skills. Perhaps that conclusion is not valid, however, but time will tell. It does also fly in the face of establish 'good practice' which is something that Milo usually espouses: 'don't trust a stranger'.

Final point. Has anyone heard of/from the tease poster or even (gosh) pm'd them? I doubt more will come of it unless this is successful (numerically) which I doubt which does suggest it's an adaptation of a spam email i.e. it's solicitation. As I've come full circle I shall go look for something well-written (have to go back a few pages, no doubt).

[Nezhul]

It's obviously not a tease, but a solicitation. So Nezhul, sorry fella but you're wrong.

Oh, such a wonderfully made point. "It's solicitation, because I say so. Nezhul is wrong. End of story."
Notice how deep the explanation of the poster above is. Ho well did he put his thought into words. How unbreacable his arguments are, and above all, how green the skin color is! And how he makes a point to shut me up because I have an opinion contrary to his well-proven 100% potent statement.
Of course, why would you go to such lengths as to provide arguments. You just have to state your grace's opinion, and that should be enough. Just the fact that it's said by YOU, an authority without EVEN ONE etase and posting approximately 10 posts a year - should be enough to shut everyone up and let all of ust bathe in the light of your wisdom!
Bravo!

Feel free to reply.

[nadi]

In my view, it is not about legal or illegal. It is not even about the site bilaws or custem. This site is full of different sexual kinks, some of which seems very odd to your everyday vanilla person. I believe it should maintain this liberal approach. However, one of the biggest problem about fetish sites in general, and Femdom in particular, is that a lot of time is being waste on service that require payment and does not states it in advance.
Therefore I think we shouldn't have a problem with such tease as long as:
(A) it is very clear BEFORE you enter the tease that it require tribute.
(B) it doesn't become a habit, in a way that all or most of the new tease will require payment.

[tBone]

Eventually this site is going to die out because everyone will eventually get tired of all this nonsense. This whole "no-moderation" policy is great on paper but terrible in practice. If something doesn't happen to actually start maintaining the Quality of this site soon, it is just going to turn into a yahoo group with a dedicated url and a glorified front end. I surely can't be the only person who sees this happening?

Three or four years ago the amount of spam, trash webteases, and scams were almost non-existent. There was also more good authors putting out good work. Since then there has been a gradual decrease in good authors and an exponential increase in shittyness.

Almost entirely due to there being 0% moderation unless something which isn't kiddie porn or illegal becomes con-strewed as such. Then you are all about bringing down the moderation hammer.

[manwithcape]

Am I the only one who thinks that the problem isn't asking for money/blackmail material but telling people to drink (and then asking them that) ?

It's another crappy tease with a rating below 2.5 ignore those and you'll be happier.

[Sexytimes 5]

See? The spam teases are coming in faster already. A sissy looking for an email Mistress? Why take it down? It's a real fetish isn't it? Don't take that crap down if you don't take the other crap down too. Would it be ok if the thing had a couple stroke and edge pages leading up to the for information parts? It's all a scam and there isn't any doubt. They want email addresses and any other info you might be willing to divulge. HELLO OUT THERE!

It's probably the same dude.. aka Mistress_Rain. Delete her too.

There is a difference between an opinion about a tease, which is debatable and varies from user to user, or in our case, clicker to clicker, and an outright abuse of the site with this type of spam. Why take the forum spam and the one page teases down as fast as you can if you're not willing to take this shit down? Keep letting it ride, sit back and watch this place go into the toilet completely.

It won't take long if the fake Mistress_Rain's appeal for information is a legit tease. The same type of thing as the deleted tease except it's wrapped up in a nice little 9 pages, 3 or 4 of which are asking for info or giving out an email address for cantacting? What's the Difference again? Oh! I get it! It's because the dude is acting like a lady? The question is-Where is Milo going? The answer-Into the toilet.

[Nezhul]

A sissy looking for an email Mistress? Why take it down? It's a real fetish isn't it?

It may be a real fetish. It's nowhere near a tease though. Those are one-paged teases that contain NOTHING except for a plead and email. While the tease in question of this thread contains some kind of a script and commands. it is actually TEASING you before it gives you coordinates. And even the email part of it brought up in a teasing manner. Hudge difference.

and an outright abuse of the site with this type of spam.

lol, explain this part. Where's the abuse? What does site loose if there is a tease that APART FROM TEASING asks for email in the end?


As for the pictures... You are overreacting. You should stick your head under the cold water and go eat something tasty. It really looks like nerd rage now. "I dislike the tease, WHY ISN'T IT REMOVED?!!!!!! Fuck, this site is going to toilet!!!!"

[Dream_On]

The problems I see are that the tease asks for someone to enter a formal agreement while horny and after having a couple of drinks. A bigger problem is that it asks for information on other people as well as information on place of occupation. So if this is a scammer it can be causing harm to not only the person that paid, but at least two other people can be at risk as well. Adding in place of employment info can also put that person's job at risk.

The big question here is if someone were to pay her/him/whatever would they actually get blackmailed or would they just be losing their money and giving away personal information and not just their own for nothing. If he/she/it is providing the blackmail that is being paid for I'm not sure this can be clearly called phishing. Now I am not encouraging anyone to pay this person, as I think that would be stupid, but without more information we do not know what the intentions behind this tease are.

[seraph0x]

Surely the same rules apply to the chat the forums and the teases. I don't see what the confusion is here. Surely if someone is directing users to a pay site within tease that is by it's nature advertising and against site rules. Have you raised this issue with Seraphox or one of the other Admins? Have you reported the tease for breaking the rules?

Our rule is that we allow advertising if the value the person adds to the site is proportional to the advertising they're doing. Here are some examples:

OK:

• Posting a real tease with multiple pages and stroking etc. and advertising your pro domme services at the end.
• Participating in the forum normally and advertising your website in your signature.
• Posting an audio tease which is sexy in its own right, but also advertises your Niteflirt account.

NOT OK:

• Posting the same tease multiple times which links to your site.
• Posting on the forum only to advertise.
• Sending unsolicited commercial PMs

And a word of caution: Before you invest the time to write a tease hoping to advertise in it - be aware that we do reserve the right to remove any commercial postings. Whether or not a commercially motivated tease or posting "adds sufficient value to the site" is obviously highly subjective. So if you're investing the time to make such postings, you're taking that risk. We try to be fair, but if we do end up deleting your posting - well, you've been warned.


On the subject of blackmail:

Non-consensual blackmail is illegal in the US and consent can be withdrawn in the US. In other words if you do sign up for blackmail and you later want to back out, a smart pro domme will simply let you out. Otherwise she'd be committing a felony. Other countries may have other rules obviously, so be careful.

The tease in question asks for a payment upfront - this usually means that the domme (or more likely, the guy) behind it both has experience with consensual blackmail and knows the legal aspect of it, namely s/he knows that most people later back out and that they have to let them. But they still get to keep the initial tribute, that's what it's there for.

I looked at the tease and I can't find a cause for removal. They're not trying to defraud anyone, they're offering a low quality version of findom and consensual blackmail and the tease does offer sufficient value for the commercial plug at the end. So unless I missed something, I can't find any concrete rule violation. I do not want to ban findom in general and I do not want to ban low quality teases either.

The problems I see are that the tease asks for someone to enter a formal agreement while horny and after having a couple of drinks.

Fair point, but that's not illegal. (afaik ianal) All it means is that the contract made this way won't be enforceable.

A bigger problem is that it asks for information on other people as well as information on place of occupation. So if this is a scammer it can be causing harm to not only the person that paid, but at least two other people can be at risk as well. Adding in place of employment info can also put that person's job at risk.

Also a good point. Certainly something to think about before you send information about other people to a domme. On the other hand the only information you're sending is names and email addresses of those people, I routinely give out my bosses' name and email to people our company might do business with. For many people those types of information are completely public. So it seems like it would legal, albeit quite inconsiderate to involve third parties as props in your sex life. Again, ianal, use caution. This issue alone definitely would make me think twice about venturing into the whole consensual blackmail territory.

The question is-Where is Milo going? The answer-Into the toilet.

People have been saying that continuously since 2006. Maybe what everyone is missing is that we started out in the "toilet" and we just never left.

Milovana is the place for stuff that is legal but is socially taboo and usually gets rejected everywhere else. If you don't want that, I can recommend http://www.disney.com.

Let me take this chance to clear up another misconception. Even I make this mistake sometimes: Milovana is not, never has been and never will be about T&D or femdom. It's about exploration. Exploration is about going into unknown territory, it's about calculated risk and about making mistakes and learning. Some day they might lock me up for my radical view that people are adults who can make choices about their own lives. But until then I'm going to savor every day this site exists and with it the freedom it represents.

[janmb]

Some day they might lock me up for my radical view that people are adults who can make choices about their own lives.

There are plenty people who would seriously like to do that, I'm sure. And not in a good way

[jackstock]

let people do what they want. It's entirely up to them.