poketeased - inappropriate?

[Banquo]

Again with this argument! What do you do with schoolgirl porn then? And female breasts are meant for children to suck too. Seriously, your argument is not even an argument.

But School girl porn isn't originally intended for children, Pokemon is. You're talking gibberish now.

[Nezhul]

schooldirl uniform is intended to be worn by children. School desks are intended to be occupied by children. SCHOOLGIRLS are intended to be children only. I'v seen teddybear fetishes in porn, and a lot of other things that are associated with children. How about superheroine porn? Those cartoons were intended for children too.

On the other hand, HENTAI is NOT intended for children. The same way as porn may depict schoolgirls, daughters, famous underaged characters and whatnot, Hentai may legitimately depict characters of Anime shows, and it still does not become children-oriented content in any way or form. The one who's talking gibberish here is you.

[Banquo]

schooldirl uniform is intended to be worn by children. School desks are intended to be occupied by children. SCHOOLGIRLS are intended to be children only. I'v seen teddybear fetishes in porn, and a lot of other things that are associated with children. How about superheroine porn? Those cartoons were intended for children too.

On the other hand, HENTAI is NOT intended for children. The same way as porn may depict schoolgirls, daughters, famous underaged characters and whatnot, Hentai may legitimately depict characters of Anime shows, and it still does not become children-oriented content in any way or form. The one who's talking gibberish here is you.

You make a very inflexible argument. The trouble is, we have a problem where certain images can be seen as inappropriate whether you like that or not. That's the unfortunate truth. No one wants to ban all Hentai, or anything like that, and I think it wouldn't be unfair to say that this site has always been pretty liberal with it's rules and rule making.

But I think Denied fate made a fair point, something like Pokemon which is basically a children's game, and a children's show, featuring child characters. So it might not be the most suitable thing to use. Some of the images were clearly ones of mature women, they were fine. But some of them clearly were not, so you could say the mature images displayed grown up versions of the child characters. What about the non mature ones? Logically they must display the child versions of those characters.

I know you keep bringing up the concept of School girl porn etc. But this is a long established pornographic trope, and is fairly easily defended by showing that the model is over 18. When you can clearly display that a picture from a cartoon show displays a child, you are on very very shaky ground. Especially when later in the tease there is a much more mature shot of the same character.

[Nezhul]

you keep going in circles and bringing up arguments that were replied to numerous times.

1) you can NOT make any judgement about the age of a cartoon character. Well, you CAN in the original story. However hentai is the other thing, and as been said a million times - the pictures in question featured girls with fully developed bodies. Even if the original character in the original series was reliably underaged, that DOES NOT make all pictures of that character underaged by default, because by the idea of the author of hentai image, he/she may draw this character in the state of "a few years later" where the character is already adult. Your logic is weird, because it devides art with photography. Or else the same way you'd call every naked picture pedophilistic, because the model WAS UNDERAGED ON ANOTHER PHOTO. That is ridiculous, that's why I'm so against your logic. A good logic will apply to all similar objects, and if you are ready to view fictional drawings as kids or adults, you should apply your logic on real kids and adults and see what happens. In your case - the logic breaks, thus it is trash.

2)I believe (you amy argue with that) that sexualizing fictional characters of a children's show by means of drawing the separate art piece featuring them is LESS WICKED than sexualizing the social group of schoolgirls, that are by default 99.9% children. If that's tolerated by you, then you should shut up and be calm towards all hentai as it is drawings of fictional characters depicted in unknown age and time OR start petition to remove all schoolgirl teases from the site right now. And "daughter" teases too. And "young sister" teases are under big question also. There you go, another hole in your judgement.

All in all, I'll say this: you'll find ill intent and unacceptible things ANYWHERE, if you want to look really hard for them. But the god gave you brains to THINK, and not just to replicate learned truths, so please, PLEASE stop going in circles in this thread. How many times the same arguments are said like a mantra? A lot of times. Said thing is, that most of them are objected hundreds of times, are proven false in debate. Those who want to accuse the "poketeased" just ignore everything and keep going on with the same things. I didn't hear a SINGLE good made point against numerous arguments in support of hentai. Basically all accusations boil to:
1) "they are from a kids show"
Yet noone manages to explain how that makes it pedophilia
2) "they are originally underaged"
Yet noone even bothered to explain why their original age should apply to a standalone art pieces.
3) "If someone has a problem with it - it should be banned."
I have a problem with stupidity. Can I vote to delete certain users I think talk nonsense?
4) "This is just WRONG"
Yea. God JUST EXISTS too, and the world is flat. Because they said it's flat for THOUSENDS OF YEARS!

... and that's it. That is all the arguments that keep on repeating no matter how much time they are disputed or argued with. NONE of you even tries to argue back. Because HEY! The truth is on your side, you are on crusade agains pedophilia, weeee!

Ah well. "Our appeal has already been filed... PEDOFILED!!!!"(c)
(edit 02-11-2013 link contains underage content Wyatt)

[Banquo]

you keep going in circles and bringing up arguments that were replied to numerous times.

Ok you need to take a breath, calm down and read back over my post, because I'm not sure you are reading it properly; You either aren't listening because you don't want to. Either that or you can't understand for another reason I don't know?

But anyway...

In the tease in question which is now gone I believe. There were pictures of the original character. Actual original images, from the show. Along with new images by Hentai artist that were more mature both naked and clothed. Now the mature ones I don't have an issue with, they were clearly intended as adult art. But the original ones from the show (which were clearly screenshots from the cartoon) depicted children. Whatever way you want to package that Nezhul, That's on shaky ground. People have posted excerpts from the law on this and have explained to you why this is such a dodgy issue.

Basically all accusations boil to:
1) "they are from a kids show"
Yet noone manages to explain how that makes it pedophilia

Actually, people have, I think Choc, and a few other looked up the law on this and found that drawings that depict children are covered by the law.

2) "they are originally underaged"
Yet noone even bothered to explain why their original age should apply to a standalone art pieces.

Personally I don't think it should, my problem would be if there would be original images alongside it, for example like we saw in the poketease.

3) "If someone has a problem with it - it should be banned."
I have a problem with stupidity. Can I vote to delete certain users I think talk nonsense?

I can see why the site chose to ban such images, and it's not as if all Hentai has been banned. Would you rather take the risk that the site be shut down?

4) "This is just WRONG"
Yea. God JUST EXISTS too, and the world is flat. Because they said it's flat for THOUSENDS OF YEARS!

Chill dude.

[Nezhul]

Actually, people have, I think Choc, and a few other looked up the law on this and found that drawings that depict children are covered by the law.

This may be so. But there is no proof those pictures depict children. They may depict characters that were underaged in another piece of art, but that doesn't meen they are underaged in the hentai pictures.
Also you didn't actually answer the question here: what's the difference between being a character of a kids or adult show? Yet I see that argument way too often. "Pokemon is a show for kids, so this is all pedophilia!". If you look closely, the thread started with just that. I.e. all the debate started with someone being uneasy with the target audience of the ORIGINAL SHOW. And that keeps on popping as an argument.
The age is the concern of my next question, which you answered like that:

I can see why the site chose to ban such images, and it's not as if all Hentai has been banned. Would you rather take the risk that the site be shut down?

And I don't know what's up with my reading skills, and I confess I didn't read all the last pages of the thread, but that's the FIRST TIME I hear this argument. True, if there's original pictures of the original show featuring characters that are underaged in that show - that may be a problem. But then again there's a few problems.
1) why only original images are at question? They could be removed and replaced and the tease could get going. But the problem here is that people are aggro at ALL the pictures of said characters.
2) you can't judge the age by the drawn picture. You CAN'T. Well, you can tell obvious kids from old people, but you can't define a number. More importantly, this judgement is subjective and will never be good enough evidence for a court. Especially when the depicted characters have developed breasts and so on. Those images can't be considered as ones depicting children.

The original images of the show may be dangerous with a hudge stretch. But those from doujishi are safe no matter how you look at it.

I have no hopes of the tease being unbanned, and I have no real need for it myself. But by stopping the bullshit of this thread and viewing all the nonsence sides of the arguments of those that support the ban - I hope to achieve that this shit about deleting people's work based on someone personal subjective views will never happen again. I may look like some crusader here, but I actually am scared how fast some nonsence turned into real action just because the touchy topic. Next time someone runs in shouting that the tease is godawful and hurts his religious feelings - it gets banned too? I hope not. But if I stop here and let this thread end up in a shugary happiness about pedophilia being repelled - it has chances of happening again.
And it all even turned out to all defendants being accused of supporting pedophilia at some points, which shows how much mentally retarded some of the accusing side are.

All in all I have a question for you. On what bases do you define the age of a fictional drawn character?
1) looks?
2) written background (aka story behind the image)?
3) something else?

[Banquo]

All in all I have a question for you. On what bases do you define the age of a fictional drawn character?
1) looks?
2) written background (aka story behind the image)?

At the end of the day you have to use your judgement and look at both, because what else is there?

Do a google image search "Pokemon Misty" and you will quickly see there is a variety of images from the actual show and from hentai artists, you can quickly see the ones from the show depict her as a pre pubescent teen and the ones from hentai artists depict her as a sexualised woman. That's where the distinction has to lie. Now I agree with you, there surely can't have been a problem with changing images within the tease to ensure that none of them depicted her as a child. And that they were all Mature Hentai images.

But this is where the tease authors have to be responsible and look at the images they are using and consider if they are appropriate. And easy way of doing that is to think to yourself "hey when in doubt if it's pictures from a kids show then I could need to have an extra think about this."

[Nezhul]

Anime characters are really hard to judge the age on (except obvious children or aged people). If the picture of a young girl with tits is involved - then 20 different people will give her different age, from 12 to 25, or even more. It's too subjective to judge those on some basis. And as long as it's not obviously a child (for example half of the adult's height) those are okay.

[Banquo]

Anime characters are really hard to judge the age on (except obvious children or aged people). If the picture of a young girl with tits is involved - then 20 different people will give her different age, from 12 to 25, or even more. It's too subjective to judge those on some basis. And as long as it's not obviously a child (for example half of the adult's height) those are okay.

Of course it's going to be tough, but at the end of the day, someone is going to have to make some kind of judgement call aren't they.

[breathplayslut]

Nezhul wrote:All in all I have a question for you. On what bases do you define the age of a fictional drawn character?
1) looks?
2) written background (aka story behind the image)?

Background - the reference to an underage character is asking what a Wookie looks like. At the end of the day, *every* person you ask is going to reference Star Wars. The plot of the original character is the defining reference upon which other inferences are going to be drawn. The original character was 12 years old - so any person viewing any material related to the character is going to draw the inference that the new character shares the same characteristics - ie - dark hair, height, weight, (all physical characteristics) - and age. Its a fair comparison, mostly because the character in the tease was never stated as being older.

[Nezhul]

Background.......

Oh, so it's ok to use those ten year old looking girls that are over a hundred years old by the plot, then, right? They are no children, they just have the body that gives such impression.

And it's exactly because their age is not stated in a tease that you should assume they can be of any age. It's a separate art piece, and you can't make judgement of the age of a character depicted. Attaching age as a permanent characteristic is ridiculous.

Let's imagine a situation. Someone comes to you and sais he found you a perfect date partner. He has a photo, it's good, but he sais the guy is 16 there. He shows you another one, he looks pretty much the same, same hair, same face, say it was done last week. He looks adult at least on the second one. Say, he has beard going. You would freak out about dating a minor, right, without even asking his current age? Because you will associate the person as being permanently 16 years old, untill proven or especially stated otherwise. Ridiculous. As I said before, think just a little bit before spitting nonsence, breathplayslut.

[Banquo]

Saw this and couldn't help but think of this thread

[breathplayslut]

Background.......

Oh, so it's ok to use those ten year old looking girls that are over a hundred years old by the plot, then, right? They are no children, they just have the body that gives such impression.

And it's exactly because their age is not stated in a tease that you should assume they can be of any age. It's a separate art piece, and you can't make judgement of the age of a character depicted. Attaching age as a permanent characteristic is ridiculous.

Let's imagine a situation. Someone comes to you and sais he found you a perfect date partner. He has a photo, it's good, but he sais the guy is 16 there. He shows you another one, he looks pretty much the same, same hair, same face, say it was done last week. He looks adult at least on the second one. Say, he has beard going. You would freak out about dating a minor, right, without even asking his current age? Because you will associate the person as being permanently 16 years old, untill proven or especially stated otherwise. Ridiculous. As I said before, think just a little bit before spitting nonsence, breathplayslut.

You're one of those people that looks for the one exception to disprove the rule - and in my experience, no legitimate debate is even possible with you. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Site policy is what it is, and has been clarified for the record. Debating with you is not only futile because of your obvious ignorance, but because when legitimate arguments fail, you result to hurtling feces like a howler monkey.

[youaswell]

I-I liked my teases, I put a lot of work into them...

[breathplayslut]

I-I liked my teases, I put a lot of work into them...

youaswell - I'd actually like to check out your teases - I happen to like anime teases. I have nothing against anime/hentai/manga. In a lot of ways, it's more versatile than using traditional pictures. I frequent booru sites, and have viewed a great many teases here with hentai images. I credit *anyone* who has published teases, I know how hard it can be. I think maybe the message has gotten lost amongst all the controversy - I was asking a question with regards to site policy - thats it. I didn't ask for the tease to be removed, I didn't even ask the author to change their pics. I read thru the tease, I thought it was well written - certainly better than a fair amount of teases up here. Please don't take any of this as a critique against anime teases in general, it honestly isn't, for my part.