poketeased - inappropriate?

[Wyatt]

Stay tuned. There will be more information coming as soon as my research is done. I will be done hopefully tomorrow 12/30/2012. Don't anyone panic yet.

Wyatt

[Nezhul]

Hope it doesn't turn into a hype where all animated teases considered an underaged porn? Actually, as I said, seraphox was dead wrong with his judgement on this one.

[janmb]

Hope it doesn't turn into a hype where all animated teases considered an underaged porn? Actually, as I said, seraphox was dead wrong with his judgement on this one.

I'll second that.

Cartoons have no age and more importantly need no protection.

If the rationale is that anything that can put any individual watching it in mind of minors, about half the teases on this site needs removal, the only thing that could remain in that case would be granny-porn.

[les]

This site seems to have the names and ages of many anime characters>>>

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[Nezhul]

I still fail to understand how the age of the original character in the original series can have any relation with the doujishi, and make those underaged material, while they still look adult.

[janmb]

I still fail to understand how the age of the original character in the original series can have any relation with the doujishi, and make those underaged material, while they still look adult.

That's the point for me too.

It is how the content of the tease, as a totally standalone work, comes across that should matter and nothing else.

I am a very good reference in that regarding, as I was totally unfamiliar with the original cartoon and characters. The tease itself certainly contains nothing that puts me in mind of minors or underage porn.

If the single aspect that brings that topic to the table is a completely artificial relation to the original series, and a completely fictional age those characters are supposed to have in that cartoon, this is bollocks.

Ask yourselves this question: What is worse - "underage" original characters that look mature and used as mature characters in an independent setting - OR - mature characters that look underage?

[LittleElfBoy]

I still fail to understand how the age of the original character in the original series can have any relation with the doujishi, and make those underaged material, while they still look adult.

That's the point for me too.

It is how the content of the tease, as a totally standalone work, comes across that should matter and nothing else.

I am a very good reference in that regarding, as I was totally unfamiliar with the original cartoon and characters. The tease itself certainly contains nothing that puts me in mind of minors or underage porn.

If the single aspect that brings that topic to the table is a completely artificial relation to the original series, and a completely fictional age those characters are supposed to have in that cartoon, this is bollocks.

Ask yourselves this question: What is worse - "underage" original characters that look mature and used as mature characters in an independent setting - OR - mature characters that look underage?

I refer to the picture I posted earlier as an answer.

[janmb]

The links don't work so haven't had a chance to see it yet.

[Nezhul]

There's basically a picture of a little girl (like maybe 7-8 years old), but in fact the character is 60 years old by plot. Basically what that meens, is that we can't make a tease with busty developed babes that are underage in the original, but making a tease with sexualixed images of this loli girl should be completely acceptible by that logic. Because, obviously, Seraphox does not consider the looks of the character, prefering the age given to it by the creators, which leaves you free to make a real lolicon tease, provided you don't mention it in the text too.

The point is simply that you can't associate a picture with age based on the plot, because the plot can be ANYTHING.

[Wyatt]

Thanks to Breathplayslut for starting this thread and to all the Milovanians for the great debate going on here. This thread is a perfect example of what Milovana is all about.

There are two distinct issues involved here. One is the moral issue and the other is the legal issue. I am only dealing with the legal issue here. Legally we are bound by the laws of the State of California and US law. There is a seperate section in the California law that deals with the type of images we are talking about here. Since the California law takes a long paragraph to define what is included, I will just call them cartoons.

The bottom line is cartoon (or any) images of anyone under 18 years old, in any sexual situation is illegal. To avoid any problems defining what a sexual situation is and to be consistent, the rule on Milovana for all images is: No images of anyone under 18 are allowed on Milovana.

In the case of cartoons character age is determined by setting, appearance, context, and the age posted on an official wiki. I will give a couple of clear examples.

Example 1. The tease takes place in a junior high school where the character is a student. The wiki for the character states that she is 14. She dresses like a 14 year old and doesn't seem to be fully developed. This would be illegal.

Example 2. The tease takes place in a business office. The character is a secretary. The character name doesn't appear in a wiki or the wiki states she is 19. She is fully developed. This would be legal.

I will be posting a sticky on "The Art of Webteasing" Forum with some guidelines for authors.

Lastly I want to thank all the authors involved for all of their work. I think they were all good teases and a lot of work went into making them. We are looking for ways to "fix" them so they are legal.

Thanks for your patience,
Wyatt

[youaswell]

We are looking for ways to "fix" them so they are legal.

So, in the near future we might be seeing "The Light Music Club" produced by 4kids?

Wicked!

(this is a joke, I am being facetious. I seriously don't mind. I am glad the administrators are doing their job and regulating this kind of thing.)

[LittleElfBoy]

Thanks to Breathplayslut for starting this thread and to all the Milovanians for the great debate going on here. This thread is a perfect example of what Milovana is all about.

There are two distinct issues involved here. One is the moral issue and the other is the legal issue. I am only dealing with the legal issue here. Legally we are bound by the laws of the State of California and US law. There is a seperate section in the California law that deals with the type of images we are talking about here. Since the California law takes a long paragraph to define what is included, I will just call them cartoons.

The bottom line is cartoon (or any) images of anyone under 18 years old, in any sexual situation is illegal. To avoid any problems defining what a sexual situation is and to be consistent, the rule on Milovana for all images is: No images of anyone under 18 are allowed on Milovana.

In the case of cartoons character age is determined by setting, appearance, context, and the age posted on an official wiki. I will give a couple of clear examples.

Example 1. The tease takes place in a junior high school where the character is a student. The wiki for the character states that she is 14. She dresses like a 14 year old and doesn't seem to be fully developed. This would be illegal.

Example 2. The tease takes place in a business office. The character is a secretary. The character name doesn't appear in a wiki or the wiki states she is 19. She is fully developed. This would be legal.

I will be posting a sticky on "The Art of Webteasing" Forum with some guidelines for authors.

Lastly I want to thank all the authors involved for all of their work. I think they were all good teases and a lot of work went into making them. We are looking for ways to "fix" them so they are legal.

Thanks for your patience,
Wyatt

I have a last question, could we, theoretically use non-sexual pictures in the context of a tease?

[janmb]

Another couple of follow-ups on that Wyatt...

1. For cartoons that are largely unknown (they could even be my own work and totally unpublished).... How are their age/legality determined? We are obviously trying to look beyond first appearances here and go for the characters "real" age... and since these will have no wiki or no such definition, that leaves a pretty large hole...

2. Where does mature women posing as minors fall into this picture? There are plenty porn with documented proof of age, where typically young-looking, petite, but legal models portray individuals in scenarios where they would normally be underage, such as schools etc. The model is documented legal, but the role they are playing can be quite different. Also, there is in my opinion a pretty large and problematic room for interpretation here, since the perceived age of any given character is very much in the eye of the beholder.

Let me use your own example as a reference for this question, but tweaked to cover my setting:

Example 1. The tease takes place in a junior high school where the character is a student. The model playing that character is documented as 19 years old. The model, not the character. The character has no stated age anywhere, apart from the perceived age as derived from the scenario/environment of the school. She dresses like a 14 year old (or as a typical student at that school level would) and DOES seem to be fully developed (the model is obviously petite, but many 30-40 year olds are, so lack of large curves does not indicate underage). This would be ..... ?

[Wyatt]

I have a last question, could we, theoretically use non-sexual pictures in the context of a tease?

No, all pictures must be of characters 18 or older. The thinking is that teases are sexual in nature so all characters must be 18 or over.

Wyatt

[LittleElfBoy]

Another couple of follow-ups on that Wyatt...

1. For cartoons that are largely unknown (they could even be my own work and totally unpublished).... How are their age/legality determined? We are obviously trying to look beyond first appearances here and go for the characters "real" age... and since these will have no wiki or no such definition, that leaves a pretty large hole...

2. Where does mature women posing as minors fall into this picture? There are plenty porn with documented proof of age, where typically young-looking, petite, but legal models portray individuals in scenarios where they would normally be underage, such as schools etc. The model is documented legal, but the role they are playing can be quite different. Also, there is in my opinion a pretty large and problematic room for interpretation here, since the perceived age of any given character is very much in the eye of the beholder.

Let me use your own example as a reference for this question, but tweaked to cover my setting:

Example 1. The tease takes place in a junior high school where the character is a student. The model playing that character is documented as 19 years old. The model, not the character. The character has no stated age anywhere, apart from the perceived age as derived from the scenario/environment of the school. She dresses like a 14 year old (or as a typical student at that school level would) and DOES seem to be fully developed (the model is obviously petite, but many 30-40 year olds are, so lack of large curves does not indicate underage). This would be ..... ?

Here is the law: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1466A

1. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... cene-manga - Yupp, appearance seems to be enough.

2. The actor is meant, not the character. This should be self-evident at the egrigious amount of schoolgirl porn you already mentioned. Which also means cosplay of matures is also legit.

-A thing we might wanna do about it:
The law is subject to visual depictions of minors. The textual description is completely legal and in the US protected by the first amendment right. So maybe, we find solutions in purely text-based teases.