Tags

[bondageslave36]

Thats a lot My objection is that there is no suprise while you read the webtease. This has advantages and disadvantages.

The point in the tags isn't to spoil you, but to let you know some theme that might be in the tease. If you someone isn't into putting a qtip into their penis or performing CBT, they can look at the tags and know that particular tease is not for them. It also serves as a way to tell what toys will be involved in the tease. There is nothing worse than getting 10 pages into the tease and realizing that you dont have any packaging tape, which is required to continue. It also depends on the mood you are in. There are times when I feel like going all out and gathering supplies and getting messy, but there are other times that I feel like just reaching down and jerking off without much effort. So, proper tags would help people determine what is right for them at that particular time. You don't have to look at them if you don't want to.

Maybe the categories should be more general. I mean what is a punishment worth if the user can choose it?

I find it interesting that you said "what is a punishment worth if the user can choose it." You might be viewing all of these teases as punishments, but others dont. They are teases. Some might be punishments, but not everyone is here to be punished. A lot are here to be denied or to strictly get off.

i think theres to many to choose from there, having only a couple of gerneral tags, i.e toys would be better than the author having to go through a whole list of what toys he/she has put in the webtease.

It isn't too hard to click on a few words. If someone is willing to write and edit an entire tease, get pictures for it, and upload it to the site, they will not mind taking an extra minute to tag it. Plus, the author isn't the only one who tags things. Any user can add tags. So, if the author misses something, it's not a big deal.

I have yet to go through the list in detail, a few things can surely be simplified (No need to distinguish between Forced Drinking Other and Forced Drinking Piss when there is also a Urine tag.)

I thought some things might be a little redundant. I have to admit, I got most of the tags by scrolling through a "BDSM Checklist" that I found online, but it took some categorization and orginization. I am sure there are supplies or fetishes that might be added to it, but for now, I think that is a good start. Thanks for the compliment.

i actually have to agree unless like you say it will be easier, it may discourage alot of authors from actually putting down whats in the tease because there are to many to choose from.

I don't think this will become a problem, but if it does, we could always make a rule requiring an author to add at least x amount of tags to the tease before it is posted.

[seraph0x]

Ok, here goes my version of the list. (work in progress)

Grey means that I'm considering to remove the tag in favor of a shorter list.
*Italic means that the tag is mandatory, i.e. the author has to set it if it's applicable.

Fetishes - these are things that the tease contains that you will be made to perform in some way.
Abrasion (too rarely used)
*anal (safety relevant)
Ball Stretching (see cbt)
Bathroom Control/Training (too rarely used)
*bondage (safety relevant)
Chastity (How do we define that?)
Chores
*CBT (Cock and Ball Torture; safety relevant)
Cum Eating
Dildo/Cocksucking
Edging (not noteworthy)
*Enema (safety relevant)
Exercise
Exhibitionism
Feminization
Foodplay
Forced Drinking
Forced Eating
Forced Orgasms
*Gags/Gagging (safety relevant)
*Hot Wax (safety relevant)
Humiliation (Private)
Humiliation (Public)
Humiliation (Verbal)
Kneeling
Masturbation
Nipple Play/Torture
Nudity
Orgasm Denial
Outdoors
Pain
*Scat (safety relevant: hygiene)
Shaving
Spanking
*Urethral Insertion (safety relevant)
*Urine Play (safety relevant)

Toys - these are toys that may be required in order to properly complete the tease.
Belt
Blouse/Shirt
Bra
Buttplug
Candle (redundant, already covered by hot-wax tag)
Chastity Belt
Clothespins
*Cock ring (safety relevant)
Collar
Condom
Corset
Diaper
Dice
Dildo
Dress
Enema Kit (redundant, already covered by enema tag)
Food
Gag (redundant, already covered by gagging tag)
Hairbrush
Handcuffs
High Heels
Ice Cubes
Icy Hot/Bengay
Lube
Makeup
Marker
Mirror
Nipple Clamps
No Supplies Needed
Paddle
Panties
Pen/Paper
Q-Tips
Razor
Ribbon
Rope
Rubber Bands
Ruler
Sandpaper
Shaving Cream
Shoelace/String
Shot Glass
Skirt
Sneaker
Stockings/Pantyhose
Stopwatch
Suppositories
Tampon
Tape
Toothpaste
Towel
Vibrator
Weights

Descriptions - these are themes that the tease contains normally describing the pictures attached to it or the overall fantasy or theme of the tease.
BBW
Blackmail
Cuckold
Foot Fetish
Humiliation
Infantilism
Innocent
Just 18/Young
Long
Mature Tease
Mean
Messy
Orgasm Denial
Short
Tease
Transvestite

That is all I have so far. Let me know what you think about that. Please give me any suggestions to expand the list.

[bondageslave36]

I agree with a lot of that. The only thing I don't agree with is taking some of the "Toy" tags off of the list. If we are going to seperate them between the three categories (Fetishes, Toys, and Descriptions), we should be able to be redundant from category to category. I don't believe things like "candle" and "enema kit" should be removed from the toy list. If we are going to seperate and categorize the tags, people might look strictly at the "Toys" category in order to make sure they have everything they need. If you are going to allow people to just breeze by the site and not register, they aren't going to know to check the "Fetish" tag category in order to gather supplies.

As always, that is just my opinion. It is your site, but I would also like some other people's input on what they think. If you are coming to the site, your input can help make it better. Please leave a comment on what you think.

[dark]

We really need to do something about the spoiler problem. In the last tease is a tag with name "deny". Hey nice now this tease is worthless for me and it's senseless to watch it

[bondageslave36]

I do agree with you on this fact. Tags that ruin the ending are no fun at all. People can reply and say, "just don't read them," but I know that is very hard to not glance over the tags as you are scrolling through them.

The only way that I can think of fixing this problem is to limit the tags that people can put on the tease to a pre-determined list. Yet, doing this would be limiting ourselves in more ways that seraph wants. This has already been discussed, and it doesn't look like it is going to happen.

So, the next solution, which is a bit more complicated, would be to have the ability to hide certain tags or to not allow certain tags at all.

As I am for tagging things to tell you some of the content that the teases contain, I am not for spoiling the ending of the teases for people. I think it is assumed that you may or may not get to cum. That is the true essence of a webtease. You said the tease you saw had a "deny" tag on it. What if we were to make up a list of banned tags. On that list would be words that reveal the ending "deny", "get to cum". We would pretty much ban anything that gives away the ending to a tease. Doing this kind of thing is an administrators nightmare, but it is the only other thing I can think to do if we aren't going to have a set list of tags. I don't like that idea because anybody can add a tag. Who is to stop them from adding the word "denial" to a tease? If we were to have automatic removal of these tags, that would be way too much work and it would not be practical. Again, an administrators nightmare.

I am not sure what we could do about this, but I do agree that giving away the ending is no fun.

[dark]

Agree bondageslave36. This is already planned, but until this feature is implemented i ask all users to be careful about their tags. Seraph0x already works on an internal edit feature for team members. So when this is finished the team can fix the spoilers or spamcomments.

[seraph0x]

I agree with a lot of that. The only thing I don't agree with is taking some of the "Toy" tags off of the list. If we are going to seperate them between the three categories (Fetishes, Toys, and Descriptions), we should be able to be redundant from category to category. I don't believe things like "candle" and "enema kit" should be removed from the toy list. If we are going to seperate and categorize the tags, people might look strictly at the "Toys" category in order to make sure they have everything they need. If you are going to allow people to just breeze by the site and not register, they aren't going to know to check the "Fetish" tag category in order to gather supplies.

This made me think. Clearly I don't like redundancy. You shouldn't need to add hot-wax and candles as an author. On the other hand, bondageslave has a point saying that the list of toys should be complete.

My first idea was to make one tag imply the other one. So that if hot-wax is set, candles are implied. But after all, this is not always the case. For all we now the tease might just be about the fantasy of waxing,

Long story short: Yes, you're right, we should have both hot-wax and candles.

Sidenote: At my regular job there is currently a special situation that will pretty keep me on my toes for the upcoming week. So don't expect any new features during that time. (The server change will still take place as planned though.)

Agree bondageslave36. This is already planned, but until this feature is implemented i ask all users to be careful about their tags. Seraph0x already works on an internal edit feature for team members. So when this is finished the team can fix the spoilers or spamcomments.

Yes, dark said everything.

As I am for tagging things to tell you some of the content that the teases contain, I am not for spoiling the ending of the teases for people. I think it is assumed that you may or may not get to cum. That is the true essence of a webtease. You said the tease you saw had a "deny" tag on it. What if we were to make up a list of banned tags. On that list would be words that reveal the ending "deny", "get to cum". We would pretty much ban anything that gives away the ending to a tease. Doing this kind of thing is an administrators nightmare, but it is the only other thing I can think to do if we aren't going to have a set list of tags. I don't like that idea because anybody can add a tag. Who is to stop them from adding the word "denial" to a tease? If we were to have automatic removal of these tags, that would be way too much work and it would not be practical. Again, an administrators nightmare.

We could easily add denial and other tags as aliases to deny, so that the software automatically replaces them when they come up.

Still, you are right that spoilers are an issue. How about this: You can select to hide all non-special (i.e. user-invented) tags. They would then only be used for searching and filtering. On the other hand, if we do this, we might aswell return to a set list of tags.

Hmm, it is tricky indeed.

[Kaine]

Hello,

I'm a long time fan of your site. Recently i've seen that the tags are kind off a problem for the site admins so i have a suggestion. since your using php i'm guessing you use a database to do queries from ... cant you search for words and orders in words so the users get tags created by the program... you could run that on the server every time a new tease gets posted so it adds the tags automaticly...

It should be fairly easy to implement someting like that and to do the same with the already existing teases. just create a list of about 20 words and scan away.

I would be happy to help in anyway possible in case you don't know of anybody who can code it or if you (they) don't have the time to spare.

Hope this helped

Greetings

[ts]

I'm a long time fan of your site. Recently i've seen that the tags are kind off a problem for the site admins so i have a suggestion. since your using php i'm guessing you use a database to do queries from ... cant you search for words and orders in words so the users get tags created by the program... you could run that on the server every time a new tease gets posted so it adds the tags automaticly...

Long time fan of a fairly new site

Well - everything is relative, so thats OK. (I almost consider myself a long time user here)

Your idea about automatic tags, could work for some of the tags - But defining which words should give a CBT tags is not possible (IMHO) - So hopefully the author should give that tag when appopriate. - Even the toy-tags are impossible to do automatic, if a teaser says "lets roll the dice and find out", then it could mean you need a dice, or it could be the teaser who has the dice...

I think the tags have to be added by humans. Authors, staff and users - in that order (And if it is possible it would be nice to see if a tag is approved by author and/or staff - maybe a very small a or s after the tag?)

Anyway - your suggestion was a very nice thought on the technical level - and I am sure the staff here would like to hear other suggestions from you. And besides that, I am just another user, I have the same power as you, so maybe they can implement this - they have already done some amazing things

[Guest]

I see you added some of the tags and made them available. I like the way it works for now, but I noticed most of my list wasn't there. Were you planning on adding these, are you still testing this or is that all you are willing to add?

Just curious,
bondagelsave36

[bondageslave36]

^ That was me, by the way.

Stupid computer, not logging me in!

[dark]

I understand, that the tags will be added automatically if you add them to a webtease.

edit: i tried to change a tag from an old tease from me but i couldn't understand how. I have to say i have problems to understand the current tag-system.

[seraph0x]

I see you added some of the tags and made them available. I like the way it works for now, but I noticed most of my list wasn't there. Were you planning on adding these, are you still testing this or is that all you are willing to add?

Hmm, I'll probably add some more fetishes and remove some toys. I just didn't see much use in adding tags that are used in only one tease if any.

i tried to change a tag from an old tease from me but i couldn't understand how. I have to say i have problems to understand the current tag-system.

Probably the tag was added by someone else. You can only edit your own tags.

...

Proposal for a new simplified tag system:

Only the author and the mods can add tags. Why? Because the democracy aspect is already way to complex and I didn't even implement voting against other people's tags yet.

On the other other hand this takes away the beauty of it.

Please, anybody reading this gotta come up with some ideas how to improve the current system.