New Chat (and Temporary Chat) Discussion

[DoxysTurtle]

Invalidates your argument about constant updates being the problem. Thats usually the answer I get from subbordinates i work with who scramble for answers, and dont have any.

I can speak to ODs chat being stable, as I've already asked their administrator, Indecisive about it - he has had next to no issues with his implementation.

I personally haven't seen the server logs from flashchat for knowing what the exact issue is. I have no interest in debating about whether or not someone with an older version of flashchat has a stable implementation or not. The fact of the matter is that flashchat, for the setup and version we have, isn't stable for us and is causing issues.

XMPP/Jabber is the same type of chat that google talk, and facebook uses, isnt it? That seems more like trading a donkey for a mule. Why not just devote some actual effort into fixing what was working in the first place? I remember when chat was gabbly, and after that it was some irc crap. flash may not work on iphone but its a pretty universal standard with a clean look and decent performance overall.

XMPP is in fact the type of back-end that both Facebook and Google use. It is a very well designed, open protocol, with free opensource server software (which facebook in fact uses), that provides support for a lot of features, and is built to be extremely scalable. This will allow the site to actually stay up to date software wise for free. It's not at all like trading a donkey for a mule but I have no interest in going down that line of argument, nor an argument about flash.

At the end of the day, the current move is being made so we can have a stable, working chat system here. Outside of the "whisper" functionality, the two software packages we'll be using provide all the functionality we had in 123flashchat, and a lot more. And at the end of the day, at least to me, that's what matters, having a stable working chat system here, regardless of what that system may be.

[les]

@DoxysTurtle

You have no arguments from me.

Well done and thank you for expending some of your valuable expertise to the benefit of your fellow Milovanians.

[Dream_On]

If you find the other site's chat to be so much better why waste your time whining about the chat here? I could say more, but considering that you have two forum posts and both have been in this thread I will just leave it at obvious troll is obvious.

[les]

If you find the other site's chat to be so much better why waste your time whining about the chat here? I could say more, but considering that you have two forum posts and both have been in this thread I will just leave it at obvious troll is obvious.

I missed that,
I also have never seen him in chat, for that matter

[breathplayslut]

If you find the other site's chat to be so much better why waste your time whining about the chat here? I could say more, but considering that you have two forum posts and both have been in this thread I will just leave it at obvious troll is obvious.

Youre a chat mod - your mistress is the chat admin and your sub is the developer of the new system (all info on the side of your profile). Hardly a shock that youre defending them both. that said - i find your comment about me being a troll offensive considering you havent been on the site as long as i have, have only made 55 posts, and have probably only managed your spot as a chat mod because of your relationship with the admin.

I missed that,
I also have never seen him in chat, for that matter

why the assumption im a guy? i am - in fact - a 26 year old woman. and i gave up coming into chat here because every time i went in somebody would jump on a message and want to be teased. its annoying as fuck.

[les]

why the assumption im a guy? i am - in fact - a 26 year old woman. and i gave up coming into chat here because every time i went in somebody would jump on a message and want to be teased. its annoying as fuck.

Yup I had/have that in chat.
As no gender specified in your profile, it is better than evens you could be male.
And I have been here a while making the odd post.

[breathplayslut]

Thread split into a discussion thread. Original topic locked. Let's keep things civil.

im fine with keeping things civil. i was asking questions and got called a troll for it. i take offence to that. past that, i stated my opinion.

les - i understand that. when i was around originally the profiles didnt allow for the additional information. im glad seraphox finally fixed that. but the fact remains that you assumed i was a man probably because of the common stereotype that men should know more about everything that women and i challenged that assumption when talking to doxysturtle.

but my original question stands. why dump a perfectly good piece of software that was bought (not free in other words) and has been proven to work successfully on other sites? in browsing the forums there have been lots of issues with the chat so i get that part. but it seems like nobody is interested in fixing it. is that how things are done here? something ends up broken and you throw it out? what happened to members like dark and texturedshroom who gave a fuck? geez - even the teases suck for the most part (with exceptions). theres no genuinely interesting topics being discussed. hell - i even found out that your so called chat mistress is actually a chat mister in disguise. it seems like the site is circling the drain and the only thing keeping it going is the influx of teases. free porn is the only real attraction here anymore.

one last thing to dream on. you seem to think that my opinions are irrelevant because ... why? i have very few posts? i havent written a tease? why? because to me this site looks like a place where at least everybody is equal. the people who run it were never better than anybody else and new members were welcomed openly and enutisastically. dispute was met head on and politely not with petty insults like you hurled at me. for someone who supposedly holds a title here id expect more.

[Dream_On]

Do not put words in my mouth. I never said your opinion was not relevant, but for someone that is fine with keeping things civil you sure do a lot of shit talking. That is why I called you a troll, the only thing you have posted is jabs at people here. If you don't want to be called a troll I would suggest not acting like one.

No one running this site thinks as though they are better than anyone. If the way things are done at this site is such a problem for you, well no one is forcing you to come here.

Also just because a certain piece of software works well for other sites does not mean it works well for milo. Other things factor into how well the software works, like the server and amount of users that pop in and out of chat. The software has had a lot of issues for us here of late and a decision was made to try something else out to provide a more stable chat for users. Ultimately that is what is important, is it not?

[DoxysTurtle]

I would simply like to clarify two things.

First and foremost my relationship with Dream, has nothing whatsoever to do with my getting involved. I in fact made a comment in passing to another user, who in turn mentioned it to Seraphox. Seraphox is who asked me about my becoming involved, and I'm pretty sure Dream didn't know anything about it.

Secondly, in regards to where have users like Dark and Shroom gone. Under my old username on here, I had the pleasure of knowing the latter. I don't actually know where they've gone, many aren't that interested in staying to help a free community with the amount of work that can be over time. Ignoring that, part of the concept is to go to a chat system we believe can more easily be made stable, and stay up to date. Old versions of flashchat do indeed have more security issues than the updated versions. But flashchat isn't being thrown out because it's old. It's being changed from that partially because we don't have anyone currently who knows the system well enough to constantly work on getting it stable and updated. I don't see the point in constantly arguing about that this is the wrong direction, or someone should be working on fixing it. Clearly no one has stepped up and offered help. In terms of if you are fighting for the continued existence of flashchat, why not elaborate on what features you want to see in chat and implemented, so instead we can work on that over fighting a change?

[dr.d]

there is some where in the forums a thread about kinky websites to visit , I visited all of them ,I went to Orgasm denial , I was a member there for about three weeks , I will try to be civil but it will be hard , this site and the chat room with all its bugs and issues is so much better then all the sites on that list .
I would like to have those three weeks that I was a member there back and I would love to have the memory of that pit removed from my mind .
I have no doubt that the chat room will be up and running with out any bugs soon

[shell]

*gives Dream a hug first.......and then gives Turtle a hug* Thank you for all the hard work you are doing to make our community a better place to live. I appreciate you and am proud to call you friend. *gentle smile*

[les]

*gives Dream a hug first.......and then gives Turtle a hug* Thank you for all the hard work you are doing to make our community a better place to live. I appreciate you and am proud to call you friend. *gentle smile*

                                        

[Banquo]

Well you know me folks I'm never one to be silent in the face of my friends being attacked by people. But I will keep it civil JP as you have asked *smiles innocently*

Firstly Turtle is working his ass off for the community to get us a decent working chat system. As long as it works and has decent features, who really cares?

And Turtle as for the whisper function, as far as I am concerned it was really just another form of PM, that was a pain to deal with, remember all those check box fails resulting in embarrassing moments for people.

That seems more like trading a donkey for a mule. Why not just devote some actual effort into fixing what was working in the first place?

Well 1. If your Donkey is riddled with fleas and can barely walk, a Mule is a step up. If it gets the job done great, clearly flash chat isn't doing that for us right now.

2. Flashchat isn't working "in the first place" For whatever reason it does not work reliably enough. End of.

but my original question stands. why dump a perfectly good piece of software that was bought (not free in other words) and has been proven to work successfully on other sites?

I think Dreams statement of "obvious troll is obvious" seems pretty accurate. Turtle answered this question already. Flashchat doesn't work here.

in browsing the forums there have been lots of issues with the chat so i get that part.

Are you sure? because Turtle and Dream did need to explain it a couple of times there

what happened to members like dark and texturedshroom who gave a fuck?

Hmmm Anyone would think you had a grudge with the current hierarchy at milo.....

geez - even the teases suck for the most part (with exceptions). theres no genuinely interesting topics being discussed.

Why are you even here if you don't seem to like any aspect of the site? If you don't think there are any interesting discussions going on, why don't you start one and regale us with your charm and wit. Start contributing some things to the site yourself, and maybe with your wisdom you will show us the true way. You seem like the type that would be able to debate any subject on any side of the argument just for fun. which is faintly reminiscent for some reason

hell - i even found out that your so called chat mistress is actually a chat mister in disguise.

Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion really? but yeah seems to cement my theory about your grudge with the current hierarchy at Milovana.

it seems like the site is circling the drain and the only thing keeping it going is the influx of teases. free porn is the only real attraction here anymore.

Wait a minute? didn't you just say the teases were terrible I'm getting confused here, maybe it's your argument that seems to be circling the drain a tad.

Banquo

[breathplayslut]

Well you know me folks I'm never one to be silent in the face of my friends being attacked by people. But I will keep it civil JP as you have asked *smiles innocently*

irrelevant - and who did i attack? i remember defending myself at one point ...

Firstly Turtle is working his ass off for the community to get us a decent working chat system. As long as it works and has decent features, who really cares?

i do. i was seriously tempted to give this site another shot after some crap at OD got out of hand, and i like the flash chat. i bet people here liked it too when it worked. i have a right to an opinion dont i?

And Turtle as for the whisper function, as far as I am concerned it was really just another form of PM, that was a pain to deal with, remember all those check box fails resulting in embarrassing moments for people.

That seems more like trading a donkey for a mule. Why not just devote some actual effort into fixing what was working in the first place?

Well 1. If your Donkey is riddled with fleas and can barely walk, a Mule is a step up. If it gets the job done great, clearly flash chat isn't doing that for us right now.

2. Flashchat isn't working "in the first place" For whatever reason it does not work reliably enough. End of.

and my question was why. i was genuinely curious. i work for a software engineering company and dumping programs "just cause" isnt in the vocab. if its been tried and cant be fixed so be it. all i wanted to know was why and the only answer i got was if i didnt like it - tough.

but my original question stands. why dump a perfectly good piece of software that was bought (not free in other words) and has been proven to work successfully on other sites?

I think Dreams statement of "obvious troll is obvious" seems pretty accurate. Turtle answered this question already. Flashchat doesn't work here.

in browsing the forums there have been lots of issues with the chat so i get that part.

Are you sure? because Turtle and Dream did need to explain it a couple of times there

argumentative and serves no purpose other than to inflame

what happened to members like dark and texturedshroom who gave a fuck?

Hmmm Anyone would think you had a grudge with the current hierarchy at milo.....

what is the current heirarchy? i dont even know. i checked the list of team members and all the names i recognize havent posted in ages. my question was what happened to them?

geez - even the teases suck for the most part (with exceptions). theres no genuinely interesting topics being discussed.

Why are you even here if you don't seem to like any aspect of the site? If you don't think there are any interesting discussions going on, why don't you start one and regale us with your charm and wit. Start contributing some things to the site yourself, and maybe with your wisdom you will show us the true way. You seem like the type that would be able to debate any subject on any side of the argument just for fun. which is faintly reminiscent for some reason

i might if anyone wanted to actually discuss anything rather than jumping on the bandwagon of lets bash the newbie. all i see is a clique of people who defend each other without actually addressing anything.

hell - i even found out that your so called chat mistress is actually a chat mister in disguise.

Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion really? but yeah seems to cement my theory about your grudge with the current hierarchy at Milovana.

when i was here last there were a few guys parading around as girls. it pissed a lot of people off. im suprised that now its not only common but allowed deception on the part of site administration.

it seems like the site is circling the drain and the only thing keeping it going is the influx of teases. free porn is the only real attraction here anymore.

Wait a minute? didn't you just say the teases were terrible I'm getting confused here, maybe it's your argument that seems to be circling the drain a tad.

i said free porn. i never said good free porn. i was pretty plain so im sorry youre confused. next time ill dumb it down a touch. but even you seem smart enough to realize that the chat isnt the reason people come to this site. and i doubt its the forum. people come here to wank off to their hearts content. i have no problem with that. and it is nice that there are a few more teases for girls than there ever used to be. but looking back three years ago and then at teases now the effort that goes into some of the teases is poor. im not an author and dont claim to be and thats why i dont write teases. but i believe that anything worth doing is worth doing right.

Banquo

[dr.d]

irrelevant - and who did i attack? i remember defending myself at one point ...


i do. i was seriously tempted to give this site another shot after some crap at OD got out of hand, and i like the flash chat. i bet people here liked it too when it worked. i have a right to an opinion dont i?


and my question was why. i was genuinely curious. i work for a software engineering company and dumping programs "just cause" isnt in the vocab. if its been tried and cant be fixed so be it. all i wanted to know was why and the only answer i got was if i didnt like it - tough.

what happened to members like dark and texturedshroom who gave a fuck?

what is the current heirarchy? i dont even know. i checked the list of team members and all the names i recognize havent posted in ages. my question was what happened to them?



i might if anyone wanted to actually discuss anything rather than jumping on the bandwagon of lets bash the newbie. all i see is a clique of people who defend each other without actually addressing anything.[/i][/b]

hell - i even found out that your so called chat mistress is actually a chat mister in disguise.

Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion really? but yeah seems to cement my theory about your grudge with the current hierarchy at Milovana.

when i was here last there were a few guys parading around as girls. it pissed a lot of people off. im suprised that now its not only common but allowed deception on the part of site administration.

next time ill dumb it down a touch. but even you seem smart enough to realize that the chat isnt the reason people come to this site. and i doubt its the forum. people come here to wank off to their hearts content. i have no problem with that. and it is nice that there are a few more teases for girls than there ever used to be. but looking back three years ago and then at teases now the effort that goes into some of the teases is poor. im not an author and dont claim to be and thats why i dont write teases. but i believe that anything worth doing is worth doing right.[/i][/b]

[/quote]

first you do have the right to an opinion and the right to express your opinion , but you are comming across as a troll ,attacking the people who are trying to fix the problums with the chat room, I for one will give you the benefit of doubt , that you done mean to be rude

second, stick around and give Milovana a chance , it is much better then OD and it does not surprise me at all to hear that things got out of hand there.

as for the current heirarchy, I don't know them so I can't help you with that.

as for bashing the newbie , my post was meant to express my opinion that this site is better then the OD
it was not an attack against you.

and I would like to write a web tease , but I have a lot of work to do first , I lack the skills to make one , thats why Shell and I made a game in the forums , I might not be able to make a good web tease yet , but I tried to do some thing for the people here