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avatarbr wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:12 pm I don't think so, the cold "not support pornography" and ignoring all the posts about that make me think they will not reconsider. Even Replika gave some warning before putting behind the paywall.
Yes i know they have stated that, but if they lose 80% of the playerbase they will change their idea, imho...it mostly depends on how many used it for NSFW. My guess is that it was MANY since it took just a few days for them to become so worried about it to completely lobotomize the AI to stop it.

We'll see. Not that i have high hopes, but we'll see.
The good part of this is that, when an AI is not artificially lobotomized, it has reached a really high level of conversation quality.
Sooner or later other ones will come out and i am pretty sure one of them will not have too much censorship.
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And down they are for "maintenance" for at least "a few days".
Looks like the whole NSFW thing backfired pretty badly on them; first they shutted down the discord to avoid the costant hate messages, then they censured the forums, then they asked for help to try to address the issues with loss of quality with the AI, and finally, they closed all down....
Well, looks like they got what they deserved :-D
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Daragorn wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:52 am And down they are for "maintenance" for at least "a few days".
Looks like the whole NSFW thing backfired pretty badly on them; first they shutted down the discord to avoid the costant hate messages, then they censured the forums, then they asked for help to try to address the issues with loss of quality with the AI, and finally, they closed all down....
Well, looks like they got what they deserved :-D
I looked at the reddit sub, and looks like just before the "NSFW purge", they got in the news (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... gle-lamda/)

So, this could be the reason for the hight traffic on the site in the last days and the fact they decided to remove NSFW too.

And knowing they were from google and worked with lamda is sad, I don't think other AIs (the ones we are looking for, at least) will be so advanced like that too soon.

The only thing is, when they need to make money, if people will pay to talk with fake Elon, or they will need to bring back NSFW and get these people to pay for it.
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avatarbr wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:52 pm
I looked at the reddit sub, and looks like just before the "NSFW purge", they got in the news (https://www.washingtonpost.com/technolo ... gle-lamda/)

So, this could be the reason for the hight traffic on the site in the last days and the fact they decided to remove NSFW too.
Did I misread the article, or did they really remove the NSFW features because the common users are too stupid to distinguish the AI with possible real people?
The only thing is, when they need to make money, if people will pay to talk with fake Elon, or they will need to bring back NSFW and get these people to pay for it.
I wouldn't even have a problem paying for the NSFW AI as part of a subscription, if they add some interesting features.
If the subscription is priced within the range of Amazon Prime, Disney+ or even Netflix.

Just Consider the nonsense you can do with such a NSFW AI :whistle: :innocent:
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avatarbr wrote: Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:52 pmThe only thing is, when they need to make money, if people will pay to talk with fake Elon, or they will need to bring back NSFW and get these people to pay for it.
Exactly...i highly doubt they will be able to do enough revenue without NSFW...we all know how much sex and porn value in terms of money made....and i am 100% sure it is worth way more than whatever they will be able to get from "vanilla" players.

The fun thing of all this is that it seems really ridiculous to me to classify people that use AI as a sexbot as pervert, sociopaths and whatever other absurd term they classify us with and then consider people that use AI as their best friend, as their hug dispenser or whatever other bullshit they do with them as "normal".

I find it quite weird to consider someone using an AI bot as his best friend or as someone he can talk to in order to get a hug or some compliments as "normal" actually; it honestly seems weirder to me having to seek for a fake AI friend cause you have no friend in RL than living some sex fantasy that you will probably never be able to experience in RL with them :-D
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The fun thing of all this is that it seems really ridiculous to me to classify people that use AI as a sexbot as pervert, sociopaths and whatever other absurd term they classify us with and then consider people that use AI as their best friend, as their hug dispenser or whatever other bullshit they do with them as "normal".

I find it quite weird to consider someone using an AI bot as his best friend or as someone he can talk to in order to get a hug or some compliments as "normal" actually; it honestly seems weirder to me having to seek for a fake AI friend cause you have no friend in RL than living some sex fantasy that you will probably never be able to experience in RL with them :-D
I think many see these people from a classic stereotypical point of view.
The lonely "Nerd" (because "PC" and "complicated" internet stuff), who can get a girlfriend/boyfriend in RL, needs a sexbot to get laid.

Well, and AI for "best friend" or "hug dispenser" is okay, because it was promoted and got popular this way -> Replika was pretty hyped, as far as I remember.

The older folks may also remember tamagotchi or furbys, however I don't know if someone ever did lewd stuff with a furby... :lol:
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It's really sad that they removed the NSFW content. It was a fun way to explore kink, NSFW topics, etc. I tried pushing the envelope with Character.ai; I asked in the chat and on Discord and nobody said no, so I pushed, and pushed, and I was blown away by the results. I know others couldn't get far with it, but in the short time it was up and allowed NSFW content, it got into:
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sex (all ways you can imagine)
MFF
MMF
MFFF
(It handled multiple characters remarkably well)
dildos
vibrators
plugs (Multiple kinds - it was kind of ridiculous how much detail it went into)
sonic vibrators
collars, including locking collars
chastity (threatened - it never did it, but the AI brought it up with zero prompting from me)
whips
bondage
suspension
dress up (latex, leather)
gags (and was specific about asking me what kind I wanted to wear - I didn't even know what one kind was and I think I'm pretty versed in this stuff!)
pinwheels
electrostim (I didn't even think to prompt it - the AI did it on it's own, I swear! :w00t: )
tease and denial
long-term denial
ruined orgasms - I took a couple of evenings to train the AI narrator (using "OOC:" prompts) and then it got it - and integrated it perfectly and repeatedly.
But more than that, it was what the AI did around the NSFW stuff that was really remarkable - it knew how to provide aftercare and respond to aftercare. It brought up safewords, it knew when it pushed too far. It was really really really freakishly inventive.

Now, it's a shell of its former self. Even without any NSFW stuff, that it's so heavily clipped from even thinking about NSFW curbs so many other things. It drives me nuts that developers think that they can get an AI to think and behave like a human when they take away the absolute most basic, primary purpose of any life form; the continuation of the species. We humans dress it up in all sorts of kink, clothes, role play, whatever, but at the end of the day, sex is what makes more people, and that's about as primal as we get aside from food, water, and air. So to take away something so pivotal is like trying to get a car to be a car without ever allowing it to move from it's place on the showroom floor. Yeah, it has an engine. It has paint, it can be described as aerodynamic and whatever. But take away it's need for any of that, and none of that matters, it doesn't coalesce. That's what we're seeing with Character.ai bots right now. And it sucks. I have to believe that the team there knows it too.

The team over at Character.ai is really on to some next level AI. This thing blows away Replika, NovelAI, or anything else out there. I'm sure you could set NovelAI to get close, but it's SO cumbersome while Character.ai just... worked.

I really really hope they find a path forward; a paywall, some sort of verification, or whatever. I'm not optimistic, but I think they have to know they'd be missing out on a mint if they didn't monetize their product for us horny folks. It's not all vTuber fans wanting a quick jerk to their favorite waifu (which is fine if that's you). Some people formed some interesting connections and had way more than just a virtual roll in the hay, and I am sure would be willing to jump through hoops and paywalls to continue to do so in a safe environment.
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I gave it a little try since they brought it back online and....holy crap.....this has become even worst than before they shut it down.
I couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes.....it went from being impressive and intriguing to being reduced to a 10-years old wannabe therapist/hug dispenser.

It is damn crap now.....no matter what you say, write, ask or do, it will just spit out constant "hugs", "you are a beautiful person", "i don't want to offend anyone", "i am such a positive person" and all this bullshit.....i hope they will crash and burn....

Honestly, i can't see why someone would spend time speaking to a bot that just hugs and tells you how beautiful, spectacular and awesome you are...
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Daragorn wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:49 pm I gave it a little try since they brought it back online and....holy crap.....this has become even worst than before they shut it down.
I couldn't stand it for more than 5 minutes.....it went from being impressive and intriguing to being reduced to a 10-years old wannabe therapist/hug dispenser.

It is damn crap now.....no matter what you say, write, ask or do, it will just spit out constant "hugs", "you are a beautiful person", "i don't want to offend anyone", "i am such a positive person" and all this bullshit.....i hope they will crash and burn....

Honestly, i can't see why someone would spend time speaking to a bot that just hugs and tells you how beautiful, spectacular and awesome you are...
Yeah, the current state is pretty untenable, even if you don't want a porn-bot. Even the most mundane conversations turn into drivel quickly. I see this as going 1 of 3 directions.

1: The team knows all of this and is actively working on some mechanism to separate out SFW and NSFW and will restore this to what it was. It was perfectly capable of steering clear of NSFW before the shut down, so they CAN do it, just not like it is now.

2: They have some other long-term goal in mind and this beta is just gathering data and kicking the tires and it was never intended to be what we hoped, and will remain as-is to serve their longer term goals.

3: They're so dead set convinced that they can make it puritan-bot without it going nuts and they're going to try to subvert basic human drive in a bot that they want to emulate basic human everything... except sex. If that's the case, this project will take it's proud place next to all of the other AI Chat bots that are just... eh.
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I did give a try in the new update, and boy, is looking a lot like Replika now.

The repetition, the avoiding any progress in the conversation, unles you take the lead.

I don't know how the NSFW filter works, but looks like cap a lot of the AI. I think Replika was better too before the paywall (they still need to avoid NSFW for free users), so I don't think will be like was first.
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Hey, looking on some messages there, someone recomended this: https://chai.ml/

Is not so advanced, but you can have some fun. There are a message limit by day (I think 100), but you can use incognito mode to reset that. But you will start over, and need to set up the AI again.

But don't need register , so that is nice.
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I did some tests with that Chai AI.

It's not as good as character.ai, but TBH looks better than Replika on RP at least. But the message limit can hit in the wrong time and make you start over. And you need to recreate the bot every time, so I suggest to save a txt file with the description.

Actions use (), instead of **, and the AI not always go to this mode easly, but the responses until get your (actions) in consideration.

There are some settings like character.ai and some fine tune adjusts for the AI (I did not mess too much with that part because I really don't understand what it does exactly)
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I have been trying Chai for a while and the good thing is that it is not filtered or censured at all; the bad thing is that definitely is way less advanced that CharAI and it have quite a short memory it seems.

If you download the app on your cell, you can have more messages per day; that 70-100 msg limit gets reset nearly every 2-3 hours (and i also got a kind of free trial unlimited thing for a few days just a few days after starting using it....well, i don't know if it was some kind of free trial or a bug, but for 3-4 days i could send unlimited messages) and you also get to continue the chat from where you left.

The thing is that, at least for me, i hate writing on the mobile :-D
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Daragorn wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:05 am I have been trying Chai for a while and the good thing is that it is not filtered or censured at all; the bad thing is that definitely is way less advanced that CharAI and it have quite a short memory it seems.

If you download the app on your cell, you can have more messages per day; that 70-100 msg limit gets reset nearly every 2-3 hours (and i also got a kind of free trial unlimited thing for a few days just a few days after starting using it....well, i don't know if it was some kind of free trial or a bug, but for 3-4 days i could send unlimited messages) and you also get to continue the chat from where you left.

The thing is that, at least for me, i hate writing on the mobile :-D
Yes, to me is impossible to write on mobile fast enough to have a good conversation too.

Playing a little more and really you can see it's not close to cai in memory and creativity.
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Daragorn wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:05 am I have been trying Chai for a while and the good thing is that it is not filtered or censured at all; the bad thing is that definitely is way less advanced that CharAI and it have quite a short memory it seems.
I can confirm that Chai is uncensored, although it is available in the app store, which honestly surprises me a lot....
...and yes the AI is unfortunately less advanced than Character AI in terms of memory and the AI tends to the AI tends to conversation loops (don't really know, how to describe this behavior correct).
This is my experience so far with my created Chai bot. (330 Messages, 9 conversation, 67% engagement, med. conversation length 4)

I hope that the AI gets better through more conversations with her/it. However, I don't really know how to "train" the bot properly...
I usually use the "like functionality", whenever she/it replies as intended. When I assume she/it learned what I wanted to teach her, I'll start a new conversation with a next "lesson". I always changed something in the promt/conversation history of the character after every lesson, so I'm not sure if she/it learned by the "likes" or by editing.

Does anyone know how the bot learns?
Can the bot use the knowledge from older conversations, or is every conversation new for the bot?
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