Miss Shell and The Case of The Ice Sounding Id

[froodly2005]

And for some reason I don't quite understand, I'm liking it when you call me "boy". That's a bit of a puzzle.

don't worry about it , I have noticed that most of the men here like it when Shell calls them "boy" ........and I also have noticed that there are a few women here that want Shell to call them names too

Yes, I did rather notice the same thing, strangely enough. :)

Mental dialog with froodly & id:

froodly: Hey, id! C'mere a sec. Got somebody to show you. *id scampers back into the thread*
id: Whazzat? Hey, who's th' big dude up there? *claws start to come out*
froodly: *swats id with another, slightly less gentle dope slap* Claws in. This is dr.d. Now, I don't know him very well, but Miss Shell has a high opinion of him, so we both better be polite.
id: How polite? *slitted eyes look at froodly* You holdin' out on me again? You're not tellin' me somethin'...
froodly: *rolls eyes* I'm always not telling you something. *sigh* But, yeah. Remember how I told you about the consequences of being stupid with Banquo and Miss Della?
id: Cleveland...
froodly: Yeah, Cleveland. Right. Now here's the thing: Miss Shell can fry you to a puff of greasy black smoke with Those Eyebrows, but dr.d is one notch above that in terms of power. So don't be stupid here. Be very, very not-stupid.
id: He'd kick me to Cleveland?
froodly: *looks at dr.d* No, probably just eat you, I expect.
id: *eyes wide* Minimum Safe Distance?
froodly: At least 3 paragraphs.
*id scampers down-post, hoping to reach the Minimum Safe Distance of 3 paragraphs without being eaten*

Hunh. The little lizard is scared. Haven't seen that since the last trip to Cleveland.

*turns back to dr.d*

So, about the "boy" thing: I initially had kind of a hard time watching people use that language. Of course, there's the racist past of the word, at least in the US. Also, it's kind of an insult to refer to someone that way to assert social dominance. While some people like to use humiliation in play, I very much do not.

But then I noticed something: Miss Shell would call someone "boy", and proceed to have a completely wonderful interaction. Hmm. That was kind of peculiar, but really, really interesting. So when she first called me "boy", well... it kind of raised my anti-authoritarian hackles. But it turned out to be, apparently, a social signalling mechanism: a benevolent person is about to take charge, prod me into doing something that will be wonderful in itself, and push me toward being a happier person. I didn't get that at the cognitive level until, but emotionally it sank in pretty deep. So now, it sort of means: "pay attention, because something good is about to happen". A complete sea-change, at least when Miss Shell says it.

I belatedly realized Miss Shell had totally rearranged the emotional furniture in my head. Without me realizing it at the time. Totally slipped past my considerable emotional defenses. It would be about Richter 4 on the freaksome scale, if she weren't so trustworthy.

Mental dialog with froodly & id:

*Having reached Minimum Safe Distance of 3 paragraphs outside the blast radius, id peeks his eyes up onto the thread and waves at dr.d very, very carefully. There is duct tape wrapped about the tips of the 4 digits of each paw.*
froodly: Uhhh... lil' dude... Duct tape?
id: *eyes front, carefully facing froodly* Just makin' it perfectly clear th' claws are in. *loud voice, directed nowhere in particular* In fact, they're in th' shop right now, gettin' worked on by th' clawsmith. No claws here 'til Monday. *looks sidways at dr.d*
froodly: *sigh* Well, at least you're erring on the side of safety. That's progress, I guess.

[froodly2005]

*blinks* *leaves to get materials to construct a couple 100mm ice sounds, just in case* (Miss Shell is always ahead of me, but at least I can be ready to back up her move when she plays it)

*laughing* I won't do that to you boy......well, not unless you like the smaller ones....and beg me for the bigger ones........and I do some contemplation for awhile on it. So, I think you are pretty safe. *giggle*

Well, of course I'm safe. But now I'm also prepared.

Ahhh, see there is where I am very sneaky boy.....I am teaching you as we go along..... *winks* So have no worries......everything is proceeding as I desire it to. *warm smile*

Thanks. That is a great comfort to me.

Part of the frustration is that you have to make the most with the number that I give you to do. Some of the pleasure I get is knowing that yes...warm ups would be....nice....but if I say hard...then hard is what I want, with no warm up's.
In the future.....I will tell you if you are to have any soft to medium swats and any hard ones, when I give you balls swats.
I was not disappointed in how you did it, because the mind fuck you went through excited the hell out of me.

Do you know, it never even occurred to me that it might have been a deliberate mindfuck. I just thought I was messing up.

So don't EVEN think about apologizing. *smile*

*id scampers in*
id wrote:

Hey, I can 'pologize fer 'im, Miss Sh- *oof!*

*froodly kicks id... not to Cleveland, but a couple meters anyway*

Just a little reminder....the weekend is always up in the air, as to whether I get any online time...... *soft smile*

Yes, Miss. Have a good weekend.

Oh, and the weather forecast has firmed up a bit: 80% chance of ice storms for about 3 hours next Monday evening. *looks at id* At least in certain very local situations. *id's eyes widen, then he compulsively crosses his legs, tightly* So if you have any instructions for the day before, or the day of, now would be a good time to get them to me.

[shell]

For Frodo

First.....I was reading down through the conversation between you and Id, while I was in messenger with Master....and I was laughing so hard, I nearly peed myself. *lol* Your mind is awesome!!! You really should consider writing a book!!

Okay....I eavesdropped on the conversation with Master and you......couldn't help myself.....so anyway....

So, about the "boy" thing: I initially had kind of a hard time watching people use that language. Of course, there's the racist past of the word, at least in the US. Also, it's kind of an insult to refer to someone that way to assert social dominance. While some people like to use humiliation in play, I very much do not.

But then I noticed something: Miss Shell would call someone "boy", and proceed to have a completely wonderful interaction. Hmm. That was kind of peculiar, but really, really interesting. So when she first called me "boy", well... it kind of raised my anti-authoritarian hackles. But it turned out to be, apparently, a social signalling mechanism: a benevolent person is about to take charge, prod me into doing something that will be wonderful in itself, and push me toward being a happier person. I didn't get that at the cognitive level until, but emotionally it sank in pretty deep. So now, it sort of means: "pay attention, because something good is about to happen". A complete sea-change, at least when Miss Shell says it.

I belatedly realized Miss Shell had totally rearranged the emotional furniture in my head. Without me realizing it at the time. Totally slipped past my considerable emotional defenses. It would be about Richter 4 on the freaksome scale, if she weren't so trustworthy.

I really enjoyed reading that on a couple of different levels.
First....I couldn't believe that I was seeing you say some of the things I had thought a few years back. Before coming to Milo, at the chat room that I went to all the time.....before Lady X was really out and about.....I would cringe when I heard someone call someone "boy". And it was for the reasons you mentioned.....the whole racial thing.
I can't remember if Lady X even really used the term "boy" much....I would have to go look....but one day.....I used it on a man......and it was just......well, it was endearing....it was like an emotional connection in a way.
I would never dream of calling a man, a boy......when outside of sexual situations...I have great respect for men. But when.....when I am in this world.....and feel and see someone that I am playing with.....calling them boy....or even....things such as "needy little slut".....are terms of gentleness and warmth.

So, hearing you talk about that......was simply awesome. Thank you. *bright smile*

And I am so thrilled by how you feel, when I use the name with you. That really pleases me!! *big smile*

***

Do you know, it never even occurred to me that it might have been a deliberate mindfuck. I just thought I was messing up.

That is when I get the most pleasure from a mind fuck...when the person doesn't even know that I am doing it to them, until afterwards. *wicked smile*

***

Shell wrote:

So don't EVEN think about apologizing. *smile*

*id scampers in*
id wrote:

Hey, I can 'pologize fer 'im, Miss Sh- *oof!*

*froodly kicks id... not to Cleveland, but a couple meters anyway*

*laughing* No Id, you may not!!!

***

Oh, and the weather forecast has firmed up a bit: 80% chance of ice storms for about 3 hours next Monday evening. *looks at id* At least in certain very local situations. *id's eyes widen, then he compulsively crosses his legs, tightly* So if you have any instructions for the day before, or the day of, now would be a good time to get them to me.

I thought about waiting until Sunday to write this....but....I have decided that I want you to know what is expected.

I am going to put this last part behind a spoiler. I know it won't keep others from looking, but it symbolizes privacy...............

Spoiler: show

On Sunday, you may have as many orgasms as you want.

But then.....on Monday....*I reach out and touch your cheek softly*......on Monday, you may not have an orgasm. *My hand travels down to your chest....and rests above your heart....as it races.....I look into your eyes......and you look into mine.......and I speak two words.....with gentleness but authority "calm boy". I pause.....allowing you to breathe....and to calm. Then I continue.

You may touch your cock, your balls, or your nipples through out the day....but only for 8 minutes at a time, with a pause of 22 minutes between each time. You may edge on Monday...but only four times.
And all touching must stop 44 minutes prior to the task beginning.

You can do this. I know you can. *warm smile* *my fingers lightly move from your chest up to your cheek again.......and then I lean forward.......and ever so lightly my lips brush against yours, for the briefest of moments* Now, tell me what I want to hear......tell me, "Yes Miss Shell, I can do this.....I will do this for you." *I gently smile and wait*

[froodly2005]

First.....I was reading down through the conversation between you and Id, while I was in messenger with Master....and I was laughing so hard, I nearly peed myself. *lol* Your mind is awesome!!! You really should consider writing a book!!

*laughs* Trust me, my publications are not the sort to make you laugh! (Or pee. Not that that's usually an issue.)

First....I couldn't believe that I was seeing you say some of the things I had thought a few years back.

Well, I'm not as quick as you at things like this. But I do eventually figure things out (after exploring every possible wrong alternative first, usually). A good example from you helps. Anybody else who calls me "boy" is going to get a dramatically different response.

And I am so thrilled by how you feel, when I use the name with you. That really pleases me!! *big smile*

*squirms happily*

That is when I get the most pleasure from a mind fuck...when the person doesn't even know that I am doing it to them, until afterwards. *wicked smile*

I just hope you also feel that way when I make the wrong choice in such a dilemma. (Ok, feel free to tell me to shut up and stop worrying about it. You could probably make that order stick, though it might take a couple times.)

I thought about waiting until Sunday to write this....but....I have decided that I want you to know what is expected.

I am going to put this last part behind a spoiler. I know it won't keep others from looking, but it symbolizes privacy...............

Spoiler: show

Hey! Whatcha lookin' in here for, rube? Dincha hear Miss Shell say "privacy"? Gonna hear aaaaaall 'bout it when we write it up. So 'til then... beat it!

Yes Miss Shell, I can do this.....I will do this for you. It will not be easy; I hope you will respond favorably if I have to beg for encouragement or reassurance.

[froodly2005]

Umm... Miss Shell? It appears that our dreams of filing patents and becoming high-tech BDSM bazillionaires on cock ice-sounding technology have hit a snag. Oh, don't worry -- we're still going to do it; we shall simply not be the first, alas. Others have not only already done it, but have published it in the scientific literature.

It's too boring to say how I found this paper, but oy, look at the mishegoss from the Department of Urology, Reykjavik Hospital, in Iceland, of all places:

Geirsson G, and Fall M, "Reflex interaction between the proximal urethra and the bladder. A clinical experimental study.", Scand J Urol Nephrol 1999 Feb;33(1):24-6, PMID: 10100359.

OBJECTIVE:
Animal experiments have shown that the bladder-cooling reflex is activated by cold stimulation of the bladder and urethra, causing a reflex bladder contraction. In this clinical experimental study, the bladder reflex responses to distension and cooling of the bladder neck and the proximal urethra were investigated.

MATERIAL AND METHODS:
Twenty-one patients with overactive bladders and documented positive ice water tests were studied.

RESULTS:
Three patients (14%) responded with reflex bladder contraction by urethral infusion of ice water only, and another 4 patients responded to urethral distension with both warm and cold water. In 4 patients, bladder contraction was induced by a catheter pulling on the bladder neck.

CONCLUSION:
This study supports the existence of a cold-sensitive reflex system in the human urethra. However, in the experimental situation, both cold and tension-mediated reflexes were more difficult to evoke from the urethra than from the bladder.

I had 2 reactions:

• Man, I never get to be involved in any of the cool clinical trials... people have been holding out on me!
• Summary: "Icelandic scientists discover cold makes you need to pee." This may be news to those inhabiting tropical climes; but those of us in the colder extremes of the planet experimentally verify this every day in deep-winter.

Maybe we could publish a follow-up study? We'd have to get more than 21 people to try ice sounds, though, to have better statistical power than the Geirsson & Fall study above.

(And yes, if you can't tell, I can't stop thinking about this!)

[froodly2005]

It seems that it's not crazy Iceland scientists but crazy scientists from Long Beach, California who came up with this stuff originally (already in 1957...). Here's a historic overview article: [...]

You found a review?! You're as nerdy as I am. I think I like you.

[shell]

Shell wrote:

That is when I get the most pleasure from a mind fuck...when the person doesn't even know that I am doing it to them, until afterwards. *wicked smile*

Frodo wrote:

I just hope you also feel that way when I make the wrong choice in such a dilemma. (Ok, feel free to tell me to shut up and stop worrying about it. You could probably make that order stick, though it might take a couple times.)

Yep, I will feel the same way. Now...ready for this..... *grin* Shut up and stop worrying about it....shut up and stop worrying about it....shut up and stop worrying about it..... *giggle* Did it work????

***

Frodo wrote:

Yes Miss Shell, I can do this.....I will do this for you. It will not be easy; I hope you will respond favorably if I have to beg for encouragement or reassurance.

*looks deeply into your eyes* Breathe boy...............you are going to get through this....and come Monday, after you cum....you are going to feel like you have never felt before and it will feel freakin awesome!!!! You CAN do this *bright smile*
*hugs you, for a long, long time*

**************

*reads down through all of the reports and studies.....and then stomps my foot* No gosh darn it...this was MY idea!!!! *tries to look all bossy......and.....threatens to go after these people that have published false documents* *giggle*

***************

*smiles as the boys GEEK out on me.........*

[shell]

For Frodo........

Here is a little....shall we say....."encouragement".... *wicked smile*

[froodly2005]

For Frodo........
Here is a little....shall we say....."encouragement".... *wicked smile*

Consider me "encouraged"... to the point of distraction! (Which you already knew, of course. As always.)

I was gonna go with this ice shell sculpture as the afternoon's theme:


Or maybe... "shell ice", the stuff that sends an iceboat flying if you even try to sail across it. I'll leave to you the interpretation of that little bit of symbolism. I merely wish to note that the image shows "wet shell" (lower left) and "dry shell" (center) ice; I'm hoping for "wet shell".


... and ouch, I think I just sprained my double entendre muscle.

[shell]

Consider me "encouraged"... to the point of distraction! (Which you already knew, of course. As always.)

I was gonna go with this ice shell sculpture as the afternoon's theme:


Or maybe... "shell ice", the stuff that sends an iceboat flying if you even try to sail across it. I'll leave to you the interpretation of that little bit of symbolism. I merely wish to note that the image shows "wet shell" (lower left) and "dry shell" (center) ice; I'm hoping for "wet shell".


... and ouch, I think I just sprained my double entendre muscle.

I love the one that is in the shape of a shell....that's beautiful!!! *big smile*

It should be evening there now.................I wonder......is your cock cold yet??? *grin*

[froodly2005]

It should be evening there now.................I wonder......is your cock cold yet??? *grin*

The day was... well, something I'll tell you about later. The 44 minute timer on no touching before your ice sounding script will start in a few minutes. If there are any delays, I'll be sure to say so; otherwise assume I'm sailing the ice boat over shell ice and writing up the results. :)

[froodly2005]

It should be evening there now.................I wonder......is your cock cold yet??? *grin*

The day was... well, something I'll tell you about later. The 44 minute timer on no touching before your ice sounding script will start in a few minutes. If there are any delays, I'll be sure to say so; otherwise assume I'm sailing the ice boat over shell ice and writing up the results. :)

I'm having some difficulties: of the 9 ice sounds in the freezer, 3 leaked out and are useless. Of the remaining 6, I've tried using 3 and the sound keeps breaking in my hands -- 7mm is just too thin & delicate for ice. I've gotten maybe 1 inch in, but then it breaks by the time I try to trigger the camera. I have 3 remaining sounds to keep trying with. *sigh*

[shell]

It should be evening there now.................I wonder......is your cock cold yet??? *grin*

The day was... well, something I'll tell you about later. The 44 minute timer on no touching before your ice sounding script will start in a few minutes. If there are any delays, I'll be sure to say so; otherwise assume I'm sailing the ice boat over shell ice and writing up the results. :)

I'm having some difficulties: of the 9 ice sounds in the freezer, 3 leaked out and are useless. Of the remaining 6, I've tried using 3 and the sound keeps breaking in my hands -- 7mm is just too thin & delicate for ice. I've gotten maybe 1 inch in, but then it breaks by the time I try to trigger the camera. I have 3 remaining sounds to keep trying with. *sigh*

I don't know if you will see this...it's over an hour since you posted.

If you do not have any success with the remaining three.....this is what you are to do....you are to get a wash cloth and put ice on it......then you are to stroke your cock with the ice, supported by the cloth and your hand.
Set a timer. You have eight minutes to cum this way. If you don't. Remove the ice cloth and grasp your balls with it and stroke with your free hand and cum......because not cumming is NOT an option. *wicked smile*

We will discuss what happens and everything about this.....tomorrow. I will be going offline now.

*hugs you close....for a long time*

[froodly2005]

It should be evening there now.................I wonder......is your cock cold yet??? *grin*

The day was... well, something I'll tell you about later. The 44 minute timer on no touching before your ice sounding script will start in a few minutes. If there are any delays, I'll be sure to say so; otherwise assume I'm sailing the ice boat over shell ice and writing up the results. :)

I'm having some difficulties: of the 9 ice sounds in the freezer, 3 leaked out during freezing and are useless. Of the remaining 6, I've tried using 3 and the sound keeps breaking in my hands -- 7mm diameter is just too thin & delicate for ice. I've gotten maybe 1 inch in, but then it breaks by the time I try to trigger the camera. I have 3 remaining sounds to keep trying with. *sigh*

All remaining ice sounds have been used, and all have either broken, or were immediately pushed out & fell to the floor when I let go, or melted very quickly (~5 seconds).

• It appears the lifetime of a 7mm ice sound at human body temperature is measured in 10's of seconds at most, at which point it is either melted or becomes so thin and fragile that it can no longer be handled, or even seen. It's only about 2 grams of ice, after all.
• They also tend to pop right out the moment one lets go of them, because they are so short! The penis is, after all, highly evolved as an output device.
• This means one hand has to hold the penis in position, one hand with a sterile glove has to insert the sound, and the third hand has to operate the camera. My id wasn't so good at supplying extra hands, alas.

Miss Shell, may I please, please, please try again? (If for no other reason, then just for my self-respect.)

if you grant permission, I'd like to try a slightly longer and thicker sound next time -- the clear message this time was that the short length and thin diameter made them too fragile to handle, and too quickly melting to photograph. Even though I tried extremely hard, I just couldn't make it work.

Initially I enhoyed trying quite a lot, but I became frantic and worrried as they kept breaking. I'm very sorry. I know apology doesn't help with your disappointment. I'm quite unhappy with this outcome and with myself right now, too.

I will follow the instructions you posted.

[shell]

Hello Frodo.......
Things are on pause.....while we talk back and forth via email....to see the best course of action.

But I want it said in public......you have nothing to prove....meaning..... your self respect should be in tact and no problems, what so ever. *hugs you tight*