Milovana B.V.

[seraph0x]

Hey guys,

Awesome news:

We have a timeline for founding a company around Milovana.

And this corny little image will count down towards it.


We plan to use the 18th of June as date of foundation as it's the nameday for the name "Milovana" in Slovakia.

The company will be based in the Netherlands - in Amsterdam. Home of Europe's biggest red-light district, Europe's biggest Adult website convention and ... our server. So I thought it's kind of fitting.

Legal form will be a B.V. (Dutch version of the Ltd. or the Co.) owned by my humble self. I will pay for the capital in full from my own money, which is the best way to ensure that this site can stay true to it's spirit.

If you have any questions or concerns about this as community members... ("Will you get very commercial now?", "Will you be more strict about XY?", etc.) ... just ask now. I know it's kind of sad to see something go from the early rogue days to something more serious and I feel the same way. But the recent performance problem made it clear to me that we cannot stay on this server forever and I can't pay for everything forever.

So again, ask everything you want to know, I'll be glad to answer anything from business model to plans, politics and philosophies.

And be critical, don't go easy on me.

PS: Of course, this isn't final. I might wimp out for some reason or a problem might come up. Or simply a delay. But it's a plan and we'll try to stick to it.

[ts]

I hope (and think) this is all all good - the site has always (in the short-time it existed) had clear values: user-driven and free.

If these values are kept, please go commercial - make some money if you can, you deserve it

If you need to put a few ads on the site, I am fine with that too - if you make sure they dont distrub the teases...

So good luck with the BV - you deseve it - maybe i am beeing too easy on you.. but it it difficult to punish you, when you have done so many great things...

[Owen]

So when you say it will be a company. What exactly does this mean? This may seem like a stupid obvious question.. but I am clueless. Enlighten me a bit more (i.e. what effect will this have, if any?)

[camipco]

Hey, I'm in favor of responsible, targetted advertising. I mean, what am I here for? Niche porn. What might be advertised? Honestly, porn ads are the only ones I ever click. And I've found some great sites that way.

Also, I realize that forming a company represents some commitment, responsibilty and ultimately risk on your part. So as someone invested in the continuation of this site, I appreciate your dedication to our community.

[seraph0x]

So when you say it will be a company. What exactly does this mean? (i.e. what effect will this have, if any?)

Ok, the short term effects will be:

• A link at the end of most teases that will allow you to sign up at whatever site the pics came from. For your signup we will get a provision.
• We will offer a "sponsor" account where you can donate a small amount to get higher resolution images and similar luxury features as well as a warm fuzzy feeling that you're supporting the site. To get an idea of how this will look: Stumbleupon are using the same scheme.

The long term effects will be:

• There is a better chance we will survive long-term as the site sustains itself.
• If we make any substantial money beyond server costs we will invest it into new features that are of course also free.
• We can pay a lawyer to make sure everything is kosher, so we don't harm anyone's interests or break any laws.

Generally what it comes down to is just that I want to go from paying for the site every month to getting a little pocket-money out of it every month, while at the same time protecting the site and myself from legal harm. If the whole thing grows in the future, fine. If not, fine also. I'll go with the flow and continue to do my best here.

I hope (and think) this is all all good - the site has always (in the short-time it existed) had clear values: user-driven and free.

If these values are kept, please go commercial - make some money if you can, you deserve it

I think you are spot-on and I want to emphasize: These values will be kept as long as I'm breathing and if I have anything to say in the matter even far, far beyond that. (Feel free to write that down and call me on it whenever you want.)

Also, on a broader scale we will fight for more acceptance and understanding for the fetish community and we will do whatever we can to protect free speech on our site and human rights in the world in general.

Thanks so far for being so positive about this. Thanks for your trust.

(Please continue asking questions! This thread will remain open for at least a few weeks.)

[PDog]

I'm kinda lost... Are we gonna have to pay or not?

[seraph0x]

I'm kinda lost... Are we gonna have to pay or not?

No, you don't have to pay. Ever.

[PDog]

Last question...

What are gonna be the good things about it?

[dark]

The best thing is that we all no longer must have a guilty conscience because Seraphox pays all the costs alone. I hope we can minimze the expenses.

Another point is with a company you have more possibilities. For example you can hire coders if you make enough profit and the site will grow faster. Unfortunatly the most people only work for money But it's a long way to realize that. There are a lot of new options.

And it says to the whole community: We are serious and will go on!

[seraph0x]

What are gonna be the good things about it?

• With money, we can pay for the server no matter how big Milovana gets. Otherwise there would be a point where I couldn't afford financing the site anymore.
• We'll be able to afford a lawyer so we get out of this legal grey zone. Which means that the risk that one day you open milovana.com and there's a "Site shutdown, pending legal action" notice and I have to do a fundraiser to help pay for legal costs.
• With money, we can maybe one day hire a programmer, or get cool cooperations, which means better features better pics etc.

[lowielowieke]

so if i undestand correctly if i sponsor you like stumble... i get better pictures and stuff but what about the quality of the webteases will sponsors get better webteases or not?

btw i heard of a site that they have ads and every 1000 unique views of that ad gives them 5 € and they gotten about 1.4 million unique visitors a day about 5000 € a day

is it going to be like this?

[wonkywanker]

um... im in uni studying law, if you still dont have a lawyer after i graduate id be happy to offer free personal law advice about your site.

[seraph0x]

so if i undestand correctly if i sponsor you like stumble... i get better pictures and stuff but what about the quality of the webteases will sponsors get better webteases or not?

No, the webteases themselves will be the same. We want to keep everything free. The sponsorship is just a way to reward those who wish to contribute anyway.

btw i heard of a site that they have ads and every 1000 unique views of that ad gives them 5 € and they gotten about 1.4 million unique visitors a day about 5000 € a day

is it going to be like this?

I wish.

Unfortunately, 5€ per 1000 unique IPs is way better than any offer I've ever gotten and 1,4 million visitors is about the amount we get in 20 years.

I'll be glad if we can get to a point where we can cover server costs by the end of the year to be honest. But hey, no one knows what the future might have in store.

um... im in uni studying law, if you still dont have a lawyer after i graduate id be happy to offer free personal law advice about your site.

Hell yeah. We actually have another law student in the Team already, but Milovana being the legal grey zone that it is, I'm more than happy about every hint I can get. May I ask what your special subject is? (Feel free to answer privately.)

[scubawlf]

Hey, just a note to echo that first reponse posted on this thread. If this change can help keep the site going, and get some of the financial burden off of you, I'm all for it.

Keep up the GREAT work!