Greetings, Salutations, Light, Lust, and Magic...

[Pappy]

Hello everyone, a pleasure to have found you.

I admire your work, and respect the care and time you're each devoting to your projects.

I discovered this forum by accident after stumbling upon the excellent(!) Flux Dance series on PH. Sometime around Thanksgiving, in the Year Zero - (a.k.a. 2020).

That was my first introduction to the CH format. I adore it already.

Vindicare's name in Google led me here.

I've been in and around the adult webmaster biz since Y2K, so I may have some insights about this latest PH / Visa / MC shakeup... and maybe what we can do about it.

Always politics in this biz. Always.

People make laws so they can burn certain witches and gain political points. But every time that happens, innocent people (like you) get burned too. Yes, some of the real witches needed to be burned (GDP, Backpage). But not you. You're collateral damage.

Long story short... I may know a way to give you the freedom to create, upload, share, and even monetize your work in relative peace.

But before we get to that, I need a better understanding of the challenges you're facing.

• [1] In terms of Copyright strikes and/or litigation who are your primary opponents? Music people? Independent stars? Porn production companies? The tubes? Political orgs?
  [2] In the case of infringement issues and DMCA actions, is there any one organization doing most of the damage? Or perhaps a small handful?
  [3] Any old DMCA or Cease and Desists laying around? It might help to know where they came from.
  [4] How are they finding your content to complain about it? User flags? Titles and Description text? With search bots? Or by physically downloading the files and scrubbing them for copyright violations?
  [5] Can I assume you're using only models who are over 18 (and verified by the porn or cam platform they're working on)?
  [6] Can I further assume that the avoid-at-all-costs topics (like CP, scat, gore, real r4pe, snvff, or worse) are not allowed as part of this community?
  [7] Is there one fetish (or maybe a few) that draw the most backlash? ...or is it mostly just about copywritten material?
  [8] Finally... any ballpark estimates of how many TB required to catalog and archive all the CH files out there? I'm talking highest quality of every worthwhile release.

Bottom line... it may take a week or three to get set up, and it may require a few minor adjustments to your strategy, but I don't see any reason your projects should be treated like toxic waste around the web. You guys are artists! I say your work should be applauded and showcased as such.

Cheers
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PS: To the guys keeping the lights on at Milovana... I just read your "Why Free" page. Gratitude. Respect.

[fragrantEmulsion]

1) I'd wager most of the takedown requests come from porn studios. The music might be an issue but generally it comes from mainstream studios/groups.
2) Unsure, I didn't pay attention when mine were taken down.
3) I can do some digging, there are other users who have more taken down.
4) The consensus seems to be whenever an actress is tagged/mentioned in a comment on pornhub for example. But it seems to be random. Some users get millions of views. Some get taken down immediately when a re-upload is fine. It could be an automatic system. In my case, one of my videos was featured on some trending list and was taken down after that spike in views.
5) Yes.
6) Yes. These are not allowed. (Idk about scat tbh).
7) The backlash is almost always copyright.
8) 4-8 TB, maybe 20-40 TB if you include PMVs. Book Guy would know more because he used to have several mega accounts worth of catalogue. My personal collection is around 600GB. Though honestly I haven't watched all of my own collection. "Worthwhile" is a loaded question.

Many people have come here with similar goals, I have yet to see any such project get off the ground. Good luck.

[Pappy]

Thank you for the detailed reply, fragrantE.

I was working on a more in-depth response; then this came down yesterday:
https://avn.com/business/articles/legal ... 93838.html

If you look at the list of requirements declared in that bill (e.g. a 24-hour DMCA hotline for instant content removals), it's clear small start-ups will have a virtually impossible task. Only the huge, well-funded porn tubes can handle that sort of staffing and overhead.

Obviously, this would be a US law and wouldn't apply everywhere, but along with the recently approved Article 13 Copyright Directive in Europe, it's clear the politicians smell blood in the water and it will take a while for things to calm down.

Ultimately I believe there will be opportunities - endless opportunities - to expand our niche/hobby. And I believe it can be done legally, ethically, and to the benefit of all involved.

But until the legal waters calm down, it's difficult to proceed as I originally hoped.

All that aside, based on your reply and the other PM I received...
- I'm happy for your confirmation that the no-no niches are not really part of this community. That makes it easier.
- I'm happy most takedowns *seem* to be from the various DMCA services (employed by porn producers and not music producers). Again, that makes it easier. Music will still be an issue, but... where there's a will...
- I'm happy you shared some rough numbers RE: the content volume. That helps.

Part of the response I was crafting earlier:

Many people have come here with similar goals, I have yet to see any such project get off the ground. Good luck.

Probably common knowledge for most, but for those who may not know...
It's super difficult to make niche tubes, forums, communities financially feasible if you're planning to host/serve 1080 and 4K video content yourself.  More than that, it's super difficult to convince users to invest time in a brand new platform as its just getting started (especially in Porn World where there are so many options).

Calculate the time, expense, and headaches to put it all together, and it makes sense nobody's been successful in pulling it off.

EDIT: Then some random Friday afternoon, politicians shart out a massive new regulation (as linked above), and only the big, established companies are nimble (well-funded) enough to comply. All the work above is wasted... MindGeek buys up all the struggling little guys, converts them to their own system, and voila, every big tube is owned by a tiny handful of mega corporations.

Boring math for reference:

Spoiler: show

The following is based on estimates plugged into the calculator at Mux.com

- To properly encode only 100 vids @ 30mins each = $150
- If each of those 100 videos are streamed in full only ONCE per day, the monthly bandwidth = $117
- Monthly storage fee for those 100 vids = $9
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- So ONE month, 100 vids, and only 3000 total views = $276

The price per video/view goes down (a little) at enterprise level volume.  And costs can be reduced (a little further) by managing the video processing, hosting, and CDN requirements inhouse.  But the Mux estimates provide a solid look at the financial challenges.

Encoding/archiving videos for stream, becomes even more expensive when takedown requests come in and then users upload infringing vids over and over.

These are not complaints, only a discussion of (a few) realities keeping start-ups out of the competitive space. Most are disqualified before they begin.

This is why (even after a decade+) there's been very little innovation in the tube space.

The truth is, however these new laws/regulations pan out, we really can solve this if we all will work together.
We cannot hope that the politicians will solve it.
(They're hopelessly lost in understanding how this stuff actually does, can, and should work.)

But we NEED to solve it.

This latest action by and against Pornhub highlights an existential problem.
A problem bigger than PMVs and Cock Hero tributes. 
A problem bigger than Porn World itself.
It's the problem of whether Porn World even has the right/freedom/space to exist.

[Eriol]

Imho a private torrent site dedicated to CH, PMV, hypno and other connected themes would be more feasible.

[eatsl]

I think it largely runs down to the question if someone earns money by resampling productions of plaintive companies/producers.

Saw someone creating hentai jois running a patreon, but not earning the worlds by it and thought to myself what a bolt move.

Is there a potential market? Yes!

Is it juridicaly feasible? Nope, at least i dont think so.

And dont get me wrong here, i appreciate the spirit it needs to turn up and present ideas like that to a community and would hope you could create something. I just dont see any real substance yet.

[fragrantEmulsion]

There was once a website that had these videos available to stream, I believe it used many free google drive accounts to store the videos and stream them to users.

I haven't seen this website in 6 years or so.