The Importance of Safety in Webteases

[janmb]

I definitely agree that milovana is a great place for educating people and sharing knowledge and experience... but that is somewhat a different topic than safety and responsibility, although they may be considered related.

The important part for me is what someone mentioned above: Warnings everywhere tend to make lack thereof be considered as confirmed safe... which is a dangerous trend indeed.

[Jaguar]

you do that. Create an educating topic if you must.

About leaving nipple clamps for a long time - before anything happens the pain should get so excruciating that any sane man would take them off. And that stands for a lot of dangerous practices.

my nipples don't get more and more painful with clamps on over time, they just gradually go numb...

it's taking them off that's excruciatingly yummy :P

[davefrancis89]

To reiterate my first point and Janmb's - warnings are dangerous in themselves. If urge pages are going to be created etc, they'd need to be as complete as possible to avoid increasing the risks rather than reducing them - and I don't really think its possible to cover all bases on such a public forum. In this regard, specific safety advice probably isn't the best idea.

A note that avoids including specific warnings may be more advisable, perhaps popped somewhere on the front page or on the webtease tab - Something like:

"Always remember to use your common sense - before doing anything make sure you understand the risks associated with it - even if it seems safe, it's still important to be as informed as possible."

Personally I think we need to trust in peoples natural risk avoidance a bit more - or at least let them redevelop one.

[getiton]

I think what has to be taken into account is that all viewers have to be 18 and therefore we should be able to trust people to be sensible.

[Jaguar]

Personally, I think we should have a group of members who would be willing to pick out teases that are potentially dangerous, and it be mandatory that a "Warning: Advanced Tease" or similar should be tagged to the tease.

Or maybe, on that note, a rating system for all teases, not for quality, but for difficulty from a "what prior knowledge/experience you should have" standpoint.

[0385]

Why not make the warnings part of the story itself?
Most, if not all teases consider the reader the sub. Thus as the persons(s) in the webtease are doms they could say something like: "Slave. Now attach the nipple clamps. And do set a timer at 20 minutes, We don't want them to fall off do we?"

Or dont mention it and make sure the tease never keeps them on for longer than 20 minutes. "Attach the clamps. Do this for 5 minutes. Do that for 5 minutes. Jump through some hoops for 8 minutes. remove clamps. Do other kinky stuff for X minutes"

[Mazi]

A lot of users, including me, hates when the site is trying to educate him. You dont come to milovana or other porn sites to be educated, you come to have fun, and having smartass talking in teases would be total mood killer. "Hey, we kidnapped you, we gonna torture you, but remember, dont leave clamps on your nipples for too long!"

There are plenty of other sites and good sites for beginners, who focus on education, and most of the curious vanilla people will first go there. Just remember how did you started your kink, nobody jumped straight into hard stuff. And if you blindly believe in some text on some site that says "do this", you really lack common sense and no kind of disclaimer will save you.

And last thing about those "safety" tips. You cannot just write general safety tips for everyone and everything. For example that 20 minutes rule. If thats true, mine and my partners nipples are dead, multiple times. On the other hand, I can imagine how badly placed clamps can harm body in less then 5 minutes. That tip is just plain stupid, like most of the others.

[grasseagle]

The role of a dungeon monitor is important and accepted in the kink community. If there are educational and safety messages provided, I'm concerned like Mazi that they'll be considered by many users to be coming from some "smartass" rather than someone that is qualified and respected to be providing that advice. The fact that many content creators are not qualified to be providing educational/safety messages, combined with the likelihood that users wouldn't want (or would heed to) too generalized or encyclopedic advice, presents a difficult user experience issue in virtual environments.

Could trusted reviewers play a role here, in place of content creators? I don't want to propose a particular solution, as there are several ways a trusted reviewing system could be implemented.

I would suggest that efforts discussing or addressing education and safety be user-focused and draw upon frameworks that are well established, such as RACK (Risk Aware Consensual Kink), rather than center primarily out of experience or intuition. By user-focused I mean that a point of education/safety is not to have someone without adequate knowledge shove a bacteria-laden pen up their cock - liability of the content creator and liability of the site are held to be something separately discussed. By a well established framework, I mean drawing directly upon the way of discussing education/safety within in-person environments in the kink community for the virtual ones we seek to affect. Although most Milovana users are not social kinksters and may not be able to speak the language, driving them towards the manner the kink community discusses/addresses education and safety could broaden their external awareness, environment of expectations, and solutions proposed.

[mangoman]

I always wondered how safe it is to bust your balls, tie them, attach 1l bottles to them and such. Does anybody know?