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I have to say people that I have enjoy reading this thread but I want you all to know that the line to marry Shell froms behind me .

*note to self, buy armored pants*

Are you saying outright that kinky sex should not be engaged in, or are you just making a comment about its prevalence?

I'm all FOR kinky sex! Moreover on topic of male submission - I'd submit to my girlfriend if she wants it (as a sexual game that doesnt get out of bedroom). I like BDSM too and gladly'll tie her up. I'm quite open minded actually. There are kinks that I wouldn't engage in, but there's probably none that I would be freaked out by (necro-pedo-zoo is out of the question though as I see it not as kinks but ilness).

All i'm actually saying is what's natural or not, and also my opinions on what is RIGHT. As for submissive men or dominant women - I don't deny their right to live however the damn they want to, and have whatever kind of sex they want, I'm just against of promoting it as a natural, good and completely normal type of behaviour. I'm against of protecting and promoting it. Anyone can live how they want, but starting an arguement in support of a kink is just WRONG in my opinion. I'm not promoting BDSM - I just like it and state it. If someone'll be freaked aout I won't argue or shout that it's OK and not his busyness. Same way - I'm completely OK about gays, I'd have one as a friend easily if he's a nice person, no problem. BUT I despise ones that go promoting themselves on a freaking parades. Goddamn, just LIVE peacefully and quietly! I just hate it that way. And I know those demonstrations actually only add to hatred and freak people out, so on top of it they are just stupid as hell.

Same here. If someone says something like "Normal men are dominant" - you should face the fact that that person has a point. And I'm just adding my 2 cents to the proof of that point. If someone wants to argue - be my guest, although I don't really see how thousends of years of history and evolution may be successfully argued with and I'm not promising I'll respond, because frankly I have made my point and I'm not interested in proving someone something.

Nezhul wrote:Goddamn, just LIVE peacefully and quietly!

But they freaking CAN'T.

You're from Russia, right? From all that I have heard, you cannot just live peacefully and quietly as a gay person in Russia (same goes for probably every other country in the world, to different extents).

If they do not hold parades and fight for their rights, they will not be given to them.

So, you said that you don't like promoting "abnormal" stuff like BDSM or homosexuality. What would you think about like a TV show or government campaign that simply says: "Some people have different urges and needs and they want to engage in BDSM activities or have a partner of the same sex and if you do so then it is perfectly okay and legal to pursue these interests."?

Also: why are you so afraid of freedom?

Nezhul wrote:I'm all FOR kinky sex! Moreover on topic of male submission - I'd submit to my girlfriend if she wants it (as a sexual game that doesnt get out of bedroom). I like BDSM too and gladly'll tie her up. I'm quite open minded actually.

Ok...

Nezhul wrote:I'm just against of promoting it as a natural, good and completely normal type of behaviour.

Umm...

Nezhul wrote:Same here. If someone says something like "Normal men are dominant" - you should face the fact that that person has a point.

*stares blankly*

Nezhul wrote:because frankly I have made my point

Is your point that you yourself participate in activities that are unnatural, bad, and abnormal? What's up with all this self-condemnation?

dr.d wrote:I have to say people that I have enjoy reading this thread but I want you all to know that the line to marry Shell froms behind me .

*Very big SMILE*

That it does, Master!!! That it does!!!!

*gets behind Dr. D*

*clink clink clink clink clink*

Damn these armored pants!!!

Indigo™ wrote:

Shell wrote:
Ya all know I love bondage, but going to jail for too many husbands ain't my idea of being restrained! *lol*

I don't think you need to be restrained ... maybe just re-trained. Having to deal with that many marriages ... there's gotta be therapy available for that kind of stress!!!

*laughing* You would think there would be, huh? I mean....dealing with one man's ego is enough to send you to therapy....but three, four, five men.....*faints* My therapist would need therapy! *lol*

dr.d wrote:I have to say people that I have enjoy reading this thread but I want you all to know that the line to marry Shell froms behind me .

Indy wrote:
Doc ... be very, very careful about who you invite "behind" you, especially in this place!!

*laughing* Oh Indy...that's awful!!! *laughing so hard*

dr.d wrote:*note to self, buy armored pants*

Perhaps the armour of King Henry VII's son, Prince Arthur, will help.
Please note how thoughtful I was, when picking it out. It has a place for certain body parts to....shall we say..."expand"... *grin*



And of course....when You tell me that You have something stiff you want to give me, You mean it!!!

*laughing so hard..........*

HA! I just saw that piece the other day at the Tower of London. Trust me, it's bigger than it looks in the picture. He was clearly compensating.

nilcum wrote:HA! I just saw that piece the other day at the Tower of London. Trust me, it's bigger than it looks in the picture. He was clearly compensating.

It will be perfect for Master then! *wicked smile*

Is your point that you yourself participate in activities that are unnatural, bad, and abnormal? What's up with all this self-condemnation?

That's not self condemnation. There are things that I understand are viewed as abnormal or weird by the society, and I can fully see why and agree to it. That doesn't make me feel guilty or bad about doing them. I just can see the point why are this activities criticized so much.

But they freaking CAN'T.
You're from Russia, right? From all that I have heard, you cannot just live peacefully and quietly as a gay person in Russia (same goes for probably every other country in the world, to different extents).

No they freaking CAN. There are people in every country that feel hatred for gays. Such as there are people feeling hatred for black people (and other southern nations) or fat people, or just foreigners, or people of a certain religion...
For gays - it's quite understandable. Our laws don't limit gays in any way than army service (and I think that's not a big deal actually). So as most European counties. Oh wait, I believe there's a problem of child adoption. Well, I can see a point there too actually, as homosexuality is referred as a mental disease by doctors. I'd rather agree to it. Aside of that gays can lead a great life and live it to fullest. Of course telling everyone that you are gay would turn people out because it's UNNATURAL. But if you keep it descreet it'll all be ok.
Parades dont give anything. it's just a freaking sick urge to show off.

If they do not hold parades and fight for their rights, they will not be given to them.

What rights do they lack?

What would you think about like a TV show or government campaign that simply says: "Some people have different urges and needs and they want to engage in BDSM activities or have a partner of the same sex and if you do so then it is perfectly okay and legal to pursue these interests."?

I'd view it negatively. Why bothering with tv programs or official statements? There are laws about private life and that anyone can lead it however they want if it doesnt limit the interests of other people. That's enough. No need to promoting anything. No need to specifically telling "it's ok". Governments do the right thing - they just leave it alone and dont interfere. That's how it should be.

Also: why are you so afraid of freedom?

huh, where did you see THAT?
But if you want to discuss, tell me this. Which country's doing better, China or EU (and US)? And who has more freedom? What good IS freedom? I'm for basic human rights, but what people actually need is not freedom but a warm good house to live in with a family and being sure in a good future. With all those liberalism that europe and US are forcing upon the world, all you are sure in that if you have money you'll maybe bring up your children to have good living conditions, and maybe not. If you don't, you won't. That freedom? Actually no thanks, I'd go for a good authoritary rule.
If you give a heard of ships freedom they'll end up dead in two days. Sheep need to be led, and if you think humans are different, you are too idealistic.

Nezhul, this will be my last response to you on this topic.

Why? Because you very clearly have no clue at all what you are talking about, as evidenced by this statement:

Well, I can see a point there too actually, as homosexuality is referred as a mental disease by doctors.

Homosexuality was declassified as a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association in 1973, and two years later by the American Psychological Association.

Now, perhaps some people might want to claim that they were bending to political or social pressure, but this argument falls flat, as the mid-70s were the PERFECT time to reaffirm homosexuality as a disorder. Why?

The Stonewall Riots in 1969.

Psychologists could have claimed that homosexuality induced volatile, angry, behavior, and thus contributed to setting off the riots...now, why didn't they? Cause the evidence simply wasn't there. In fact, psychology had been moving towards its current position ever since Freud in the 30s, and Kinsey in the 50s.

Here's a statement from the APA:

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No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.
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full text here: http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

So, yeah. I'd LOVE to hear about these doctors who are claiming homosexuality is a mental disease. Show me ONE respected medical organization that claims such today.

Nezhul, i believe that we disagree on such a basic level that it is rather pointless to actually argue.

And, according to wikipedia and a poll from 2005, 43.5% of russians believe that homosexual acts between consenting adults should be recrimininalized (as it has been before 1993, apparently). I strongly doubt that you can live freely as a gay person when nearly half of the population thinks that what you do with your partner in your own bedroom should be illegal.

You also can't live freely if you have to keep it a freakin' secret from everyone cause else you'll be discriminated against.

Alliteration
All I have to say is that if you didn't know, US is not the whole world. And as you probably didn't know also - decisions and statements of US institutions don't apply to everyone on the planet.

denton
Yes, you'll have to keep it to yourself. Not a secret but private.
And you know? That's actually what SHOULD be done. I'm keeping my kinks private too. So what?
Do you think homosexuality should be considered complitely normal, like wearing the clothes of a colour you want? If THAT's your freedom, I'd vote against.

according to wikipedia and a poll from 2005, 43.5% of russians believe that homosexual acts between consenting adults should be recrimininalized

Never trust internet polls. I believe there's quite a few people who hate gays this much. But I can assure you that 80-90% of society simply doesn't care, as long as it doesnt touch them personally. On the net people are trying to act cool and mighty and manly, I'd heard a lot of statemens like "If my son were a gay I'd shoot him down and fuck the prison" - statements that doesnt have anythyng close to reality. Actually if you visit russia you'd notice that though we have quite enough jerks, our people en masse are far mor calm and tolerable than in US or EU. All I see is that you view rassians as a bunch of barbarians drinking vodka, shooting each other on the streets, doing drugs and with a scarecrow-Putin in the head of it all.