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THE MILOVANA KIT by Kinkbox

The Standard Version $99

* Vibrating Egg
* Prostate Massager/Batteries
* Hitachi Magic Wand
* Ball-ended Knitting Needle
* Condoms
* Ruler
* Shotglass
* Timer
* Hairbrush
* Rope (2 meters soft cotton rope 6-8mm thick, taped ends)
* 12 Clothespins
* Shoelace
* Small bottle of good lube
* Nipple Clamps
* Icy Hot
* Dice
* Thick Rubber Bands (at least 1cm or 1/2 in)

The Kinkier Version $180

Everything in the Standard Version, plus

* Stockings
* Three Sizes of Butt Plugs
* Small Rubber Gag
* Paraffin Candle (burns at less than 125 degrees)
* Red Bag Enema Kit

Shipping not included Shipping to US: $14 Shipping to Europe: $26

Get this box: email me: [email protected] | You can either pay this with my normal payments or if you can arrange to pay milovana directly: ask me for details.

Full Cost:

Standard Box: US: $113 | Europe $125

The Kinkier Version: $194 | Europe: $206

http://www.kinkbox.info/milovana.html

You know, I understand your concern, but I think it's simply rude of you to make 2 threads for one and the same thing. Want to spam? Ok, you probably have some rights to do this here, as it seems. But at least - place your spam in 1 forum or better in 1 thread.

I understand your concern and all, but It just freaks me out to see a new topic by you every week, and often in a new forum. I understand you want to make your shop popular, but for now your actions only caused ME to descide NEVER buy from you no matter the discount - it aint worth supporting a person acting like this.

Sorry to offend you, but you were told something like that in your 1st thread already, and it didn't seem to has any effect at all.

This is actually the better forum for the Milovana Kit, so I put it here. I left the other post and it's replies in place, because I think it's a good idea for folks who use the site to understand a bit about how a free site is funded. This particular kit isn't something I'm doing for the profit, the profits here go to Milovana. I'm doing this because there are people who can't do some of the teases because they don't have what the tease calls for. This helps.

I'm sorry you think this is spam and I'm sorry that my weekly posts freak you out. I assure you that I don't post anything about the kits in the "everything" forum without asking if it's okay. And the good thing about my post is that you do not have to buy from me. I list all the components of my kits... you can build you own easily and have 90% of what is called for in the teases.

On that note: In the next few days, I have some fabulous things coming... I'm currently designing a kit for those who want to know what it takes to explore Milking, and I'm doing kits for women who are inorgasmic, or who simply want to understand which is the better vibrator for them. I'm going to post about them here in the Site and Product Section of the Milovana Forum. If you don't like it, don't read it.

Milovana is an amazing resource, and I'm proud to be the editor and primary author of the URGE, which is part of this.

Thank you for your teases and contributions.

Ali

Nehzul, this post is not even close to spam. Spam is random, unsolicited communication. This is not random. It is targeted very specifically and thoughtfully towards the users of this site, offering a product that clearly is of interest to many people here. Just click on the first page of a few teases. It is also not unsolicited, Alison put together this kit alongside Seph, who created and owns this site. Targeted, solicited communication is the opposite of spam.

You write great teases. But you seem to have it in for Alison. I don't get it. Intelligent and caring dominant women like Alison who are prepared to dedicate large chunks of their time for free to be part of the tease and denial community don't grow on trees. Please think twice next time before trying to shoo them off.

When a person starts putting commersicals of his/her products all over the forum - it IS spam. Spam is not only something that's generated by bot, and is not necessaryly random - it's something that's starting to promote goods where it shouldnt be. I can fully understand 1 thread - but 2 threads that differ by 2 lines?! That IS spam already. Why don't you post 5 more thredas then? Because people who read only "art of webteasing" will miss the luck to know abiut your offer!

Talks about "profit to milovana" is all good - but still, can you post your things at least in 1 forum. Or better make yourself 1 thread and post all update to your shop there. Because now your arguments are weak - 2 similar threads in 2 forums - come on, we all know it's to make more people read this.

Nezhul wrote:When a person starts putting commersicals of his/her products all over the forum - it IS spam. Spam is not only something that's generated by bot, and is not necessaryly random - it's something that's starting to promote goods where it shouldnt be. I can fully understand 1 thread - but 2 threads that differ by 2 lines?! That IS spam already. Why don't you post 5 more thredas then? Because people who read only "art of webteasing" will miss the luck to know abiut your offer!

Talks about "profit to milovana" is all good - but still, can you post your things at least in 1 forum. Or better make yourself 1 thread and post all update to your shop there. Because now your arguments are weak - 2 similar threads in 2 forums - come on, we all know it's to make more people read this.

She's cool, let it go.

Nezhul wrote:When a person starts putting commersicals of his/her products all over the forum - it IS spam. Spam is not only something that's generated by bot, and is not necessaryly random - it's something that's starting to promote goods where it shouldnt be. I can fully understand 1 thread - but 2 threads that differ by 2 lines?! That IS spam already. Why don't you post 5 more thredas then? Because people who read only "art of webteasing" will miss the luck to know abiut your offer!

Talks about "profit to milovana" is all good - but still, can you post your things at least in 1 forum. Or better make yourself 1 thread and post all update to your shop there. Because now your arguments are weak - 2 similar threads in 2 forums - come on, we all know it's to make more people read this.

Just ignore Nezhul, he's always negative and thinks he knows everything.

I'm just not separating people from one another because of gender or anything else. If a human being acts weird, dumb, selfish, etc - It won't change no matter what this person is or was.

It's interesting... I've gotten about a dozen suggestions for the Milovana Kit, including the fact that it should start at $10 (or $25), that it should include my (used) panties or pantyhose, or that that kit has to include a free year of the Challenge or the kit should some how be free... at least for some folks. And I've gotten shit from someone else on the forum because there are gasp *two* messages about this on these forums... but not a single order beyond Seraph0x.

I'm taking the hint. I'm going to place my orders for the wholesale goods on Wednesday and early next week, I'll send out the kit for S. At this point I'm just ordering the gear for one kit. Then it will go away. So if you want the kit, email me [email protected] by tomorrow afternoon, so I can stock for it on Wednesday.

And yes, I'm going to post this in both places... for the human who had an issue with this... Bite me.

Ali

I think you don't have orders simply because the idea is not too good. Think of it - we all have different tastes and fetishes. For me, even if I was interested in the proposition itself, half of the toys in the list is just not interesting. I think for everyone else the problem is the same. Say, someone would love a gags, nipple clamps... But he simply doesn't need timer, shotglass, ruler. Bescides, there are items on your list that can be found in ANY household. Why paying you for them?
And even if something IS interesting. Let's say we are talking about a buttplug. But I'm not sure that some stranger that does not know me, my body, my tastes - will choose a buttplug for me better, than I'll choose for myself. It's too much risk paying for something that's interesting to you in general, but isn't suited for you if we talk about this very model.
Most of people will simply go in some internet shop, order things that they are REALLY like, the models and sizes they REALLY like, the colour they like and material they like (and the cost they like), and will be happy. Your kinkbox may be interesting only for the gamblers, that don't know what to spend money for. I'm not trying to offend you on that part, but think of it - would you like me, or any random guy on this forum buying clothes for you without even seing your picture, let alone knowing your mesurements and tastes? And not only buying some stuff, but of completely different styles also? And would you pay for that sort of thing? I doubt it.

I personally think, that your very idea sucks, I thought it from the very first time you opened your service - not because I dislike you (no reason there was then yet), but simply as a smart man, who can see all bad sides of that kind of busyness. When I read your first post, and even visited the shop, I knew - noone would buy it (well let's say almost noone). But I thought I shouldn't depress you. But now you spill your frustration on forums - noone orderd your stuff! How can this be?! So NOW I'm telling my opinion why. You may hate me for my attitude to you, and I don't care will you take this message serious, but to make profit you need MILLIONS of people knowing anbout your site, because there are very few people who will actually want to buy your boxes. Most will ask the same questions as me.

Will this Vibrating egg will be good enough?
Will i like the feeling of Prostate Massager, and why the heck do I need baterries from YOU, when I can buy them everywhere?
Hitachi Magic Wand - that's a good one, but why do I need to pay for everything else to obtain a single item I have no doubts of?
Ball-ended Knitting Needle - have tons of needles in my house. Sharp and not, and every size you can imagine. Why do I need another one?
Condoms - I have my own preferences on this part, why do I need condoms you choose?
Ruler - have a few good wooden and plastic rulers at home
Shotglass - have a bunch of glasses and other containers I could use as a shotglass, also don't see a point in using something like that.
Timer - have it into pc, cell phone, clock... Why do I need it again?
Hairbrush - Have my own (for hair), and happy with it. And if I am to BUY something for spanking, I'll choose a special item.
Rope (2 meters soft cotton rope 6-8mm thick, taped ends) - good thing, but I don't need any more rope now. And it's easily bought when needed.
12 Clothespins - that can be bought in every shop.
Shoelace - that can be easily bought, made, etc.
Small bottle of good lube - if it's good for you - will it be good for me? Doubts. Have my own preferences.
Nipple Clamps - good, but I have ones already. Another not-so-useless item on the list tho.
Icy Hot - not interested in it, have better objects to spare my money on.
Why do I need dices, when I have like 20 of them in my table?
Thick Rubber Bands (at least 1cm or 1/2 in) - not interested.

What we get is that 99% of your list is what I have or not interested in. And I have those not because I'm such a fetish gic, but simply because it's stuff that almost everyone has. So why do I have to buy it from you again?
That's what most of us think. And what I saw on your site - all your boxes are the same. You eather have some of the contents, or you think you can buy better, or you don't need it. And for the rest things, like hitachi, that you may be interested in - you know you can easyly buy without all useless stuff in the box, and save some money.


p.s. angering a being like me with double post is useless. And the idea itself is reckless. Believe me or not, but people I get really mad on are cursed and never end good. Not your case tho, as for now you don't have a chance to provoke my hatred to you.

I still think that a lot of people don't have a number of these things- at least not in one place. And particularly for those who in more remote locations, it's not always easy. I spend a lot of time in rural New Mexico, and when I'm there, there are things on the list which I couldn't get without driving 75 miles.

That said... this week has been an interesting one. I have realized that my boxes are an amazing idea, but not one that makes money... so I've decided to stop worrying about making money with my boxes.

I'm still doing them, it's just that as long as they don't actually lose money- I don't care anymore. I've had such great feedback from the people who have actually gotten the boxes, that I'm okay with that. And some really interesting boxes are definitely coming...

Ali

My point is, that even when you can't get soemething in a nearby store, as you can do in large cities, everyone still can use the same mail service as you use to ship your boxes, but buy things in an online store, without all that stuff in your boxes that may not be needed. Bescides, your boxes often include a few toys, and that's another bad idea. People tend to buy such things one by one, exploring their preferences, and buying the next thing according to this new knowledge. But when you try to sell 6 toys at once (seen some box like that on your site), it's getting harder.

Phrasing things in such a rude way, Nezhul, isn't helping anyone or anything in this community, least of all the point you are trying to make. I understand you are passionate about your opinions, but honesty can be communicated using a more mature approach than is being displayed in some posts.

The day I start talking nice just to spare someone's mood, I'm gonna kill myself to get rid of another twoface bastard.

Nezhul wrote:The day I start talking nice just to spare someone's mood, I'm gonna kill myself to get rid of another twoface bastard.

Pllease dont start a family then. Please.