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• Flow feels disjointed like you’re talking to someone different in each module with no memory of chat history.
• Modules get repeated and it feels repetitive and predictable.

• Normal Stroking parts can be boring

avatarbr wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:58 am Good luck

I took a look at your doc, and this could ending super complex (and a lot of work for 1 person only)

• Flow feels disjointed like you’re talking to someone different in each module with no memory of chat history.
• Modules get repeated and it feels repetitive and predictable.

What I find about these 2 is, or you get 1 or other. More ramdomize you get, less will looks like the same person. You could try to work with moods to get this.

• Normal Stroking parts can be boring

Yeah. I think I could cut 50% of the stroking part in HoT. Since you can call modules at any point, you can work on that to break the circle. I am happy with the solution I got when the sub are denied for a long time. In this case, almost all "breaks" lead to a specific module series about that, skiping the stroking part.

Another way is create alternative stroking. I am working on a Mazu (from GuideMe) inspirated "stroking part" now. I will ask the author if I can include in a future public version.

FATALES wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:57 am The personality should be fully adjustable.
For example. I want edging , buttplug, ice cube, exerciese but I don't want cbt, pegging etc.
I also wondered how to make each session unique - yes you need a lot of modules.
My idea:
1.Start sission and now depending on what the user has set. For example: CBT and edge.
2.Randomly choose whether cbt or Edge
3.If if stroke will follow and vice versa.
4. Pussy lick.
5.Randomly choose whether cbt or edge.
6.Randomly choose whether cbt or edge.
7. Edge
8.**********
9.**********
10.**********
11. Denial or Ruin - End session
It is not easy to program such a thing. Random phrases may also be selected.

holaba_be wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:19 am I think you have identified all of the major issues. But I guess it mostly comes down to "more content". It seems to me a lot of the content from the most popular & complete TAI personalities (MB & HoT) is interconnected to the entire personality. Which makes it probably more interesting from a realism stance, but I assume it also makes it harder to transfer content because modules now assume for example that certain personality dependent flags exist. So anything you can make to ease transfer of content is a bonus. It would help you to import some "standalone" content from other personalities, and would help other creators to import some of your content.

I think the current games are not really an interesting part of TAI(J). They take too long and are in no way sexual. Getting a punishment or reward at the end is not interesting enough to warrant the time spent on the game. If you do a short session, spending 10 minutes on Risky Pick, is not the most exciting thought. So if games are a part of your personality, I would try to make sure they are at least somewhat sexual during the actual game as well.

It would help if was more clear what some answers do when being asked what the player wants to do. For example, if the Domme asks about anal or CEI for the first time, and you say "no", does that mean she won't ever ask about it again, or that she might try to convince you later. I know some personalities have some content about the Domme trying to convince the player to do something he initially does not want. Which is a really cool idea, but if as a player I don't know how long I can "refuse" before she gives up, I might miss out on the content. I know this might be somewhat immersion breaking of course, so I don't know how to implement this in a good way.

A better history system would also help the previous issue. Knowing what's been going on during the previous sessions would allow for longer "story lines". For example, the Domme might have her heart set on forcing CEI, so she keeps denying the player at the end of every session until he agrees to it. Currently personalities have a check at the beginning of each session to ask about something that might have been asked at the end of the previous one. Expanding on this might make it far more immersing. It would probably also increase variety when there is a better history of which module has already been done. Since content is not endless, some of it is bound to repeat. But it should try to repeat only when each other module has already been done (unless it's some highly specific module that should be rare by design).

Repetitiveness is the biggest bane of personalities. Both because of the stroke-module-stroke-module repetition, but also because some content just is repetitive. For example, each time I install a new personality (update), I do a search on the MultipleEdges command, to replace it with more sensible numbers. Having someone do dozens of edges, with little or no talking or anything else in between is just boring. But I imagine this can be different for everyone, so perhaps some kind of "Maximum multiple edges" setting, like the "Maximum edge holding time", might help here.

What I also think is less important:
* Irrelevant pictures: I think this can only be solved by a lot of tagged pictures. Which is going to scare away anyone who does not want to go through that. The alternative is providing pre-tagged pictures, but I think the fact that you can now choose the Domme to be anyone you like, is too important to give up.
* Extra user interaction should not be overdone. Like I've said in the other topic, if a lot of content depends on user interaction, chances are high it will be missed.

FATALES wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:57 am The personality should be fully adjustable.
For example. I want edging , buttplug, ice cube, exerciese but I don't want cbt, pegging etc.

ski23 wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:00 pm I would like to build a new personality unlike any other from the ground up. With this new personality, I will attempt to solve as many problems as I can that cause existing personalities to get old. The end goal here is to be able to create 1 large single personality that most users could enjoy using frequently for a long time without it getting boring, repetitive, or predictable. I have wanted to do this for a long time and have lots of ideas on how to address many existing issues.

fusiontermite wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:07 pm

FATALES wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:57 am The personality should be fully adjustable.
For example. I want edging , buttplug, ice cube, exerciese but I don't want cbt, pegging etc.

I agree to this, mainly also because you said your goal was to create a personality that can be played by almost all users (i.e. regardless of their sexual preferences).

For me, what being able to adjust the domme's behaviour to your preferences means, is, one the one hand, that the sub can agree or disagree to each fetish, and, on the other hand, that the domme checks the fetishes in much detail. For example, I like both edging and kneeling (so the domme should create a flag for both of it), but I can't stand edging or holding an edge while on my knees. Similary, I really love playing with clothespins but I hate putting them on my nipples (when I'm given the command to do so, I just put them somewhere else, but preferably, the domme wouldn't even tell me to).

With regard to clothespins this means that the domme does not only check if the sub likes playing with clothespins but also what body parts he agrees to put them on. When introducing clothespins, the domme would ask if the sub is ok with playing with clothespins in general, but also if he agrees to put them on his nipples, his tongue, his balls, his cock or his body. She would also check wearing clothespins for an entire session separately. Similarly, the domme also checks the other fetishes in detail. For example, edging is not the same as holding an edge and holding an edge is different to having to hold 10 edges in a row or holding an edge while kneeling.

For the technical implementation this means that the personality needs to create separate flags for edging, kneeling, edging while kneeling, clothespins in general, clothespin on nipples, clothespins on tongue, etc.

In addition to having flags that state whether or not the sub has agreed to a certain fetish ("agreed_edgekneel"), there could also be flags stating that the sub particularly likes or dislikes a certain fetish (e.g. "hates_edgekneel", "loves_edgekneel"). Having these flags allows the modules to adapt to the sub's preferences even more. For example, in a module that involves putting clothespins to your body the domme would check the "loves_pinstongue" flag and tell the sub "Since you like it so much I want you to put two clothespins on your tongue as well". Similarly, the same module could also check the "loves_kneel" flag and tell the sub to do it all while kneeling.

The "hates_" flags can be useful to make statements like "I know you don't like kneeling that much / But you will just have to get through that, #name". Besides, it can also be combined with the domme's mood, so that the domme chooses to make the sub things he dislikes when she is in a bad mood. (Please note that "hates_" flag refer to fetishes the sub has agreed to, but simply doesn't like especially much. The domme would never make the sub do something he has not agreed to.)

fusiontermite wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:07 pm

FATALES wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:57 am The personality should be fully adjustable.
For example. I want edging , buttplug, ice cube, exerciese but I don't want cbt, pegging etc.

I agree to this, mainly also because you said your goal was to create a personality that can be played by almost all users (i.e. regardless of their sexual preferences).

For me, what being able to adjust the domme's behaviour to your preferences means, is, one the one hand, that the sub can agree or disagree to each fetish, and, on the other hand, that the domme checks the fetishes in much detail. For example, I like both edging and kneeling (so the domme should create a flag for both of it), but I can't stand edging or holding an edge while on my knees. Similary, I really love playing with clothespins but I hate putting them on my nipples (when I'm given the command to do so, I just put them somewhere else, but preferably, the domme wouldn't even tell me to).

With regard to clothespins this means that the domme does not only check if the sub likes playing with clothespins but also what body parts he agrees to put them on. When introducing clothespins, the domme would ask if the sub is ok with playing with clothespins in general, but also if he agrees to put them on his nipples, his tongue, his balls, his cock or his body. She would also check wearing clothespins for an entire session separately. Similarly, the domme also checks the other fetishes in detail. For example, edging is not the same as holding an edge and holding an edge is different to having to hold 10 edges in a row or holding an edge while kneeling.

For the technical implementation this means that the personality needs to create separate flags for edging, kneeling, edging while kneeling, clothespins in general, clothespin on nipples, clothespins on tongue, etc.

In addition to having flags that state whether or not the sub has agreed to a certain fetish ("agreed_edgekneel"), there could also be flags stating that the sub particularly likes or dislikes a certain fetish (e.g. "hates_edgekneel", "loves_edgekneel"). Having these flags allows the modules to adapt to the sub's preferences even more. For example, in a module that involves putting clothespins to your body the domme would check the "loves_pinstongue" flag and tell the sub "Since you like it so much I want you to put two clothespins on your tongue as well". Similarly, the same module could also check the "loves_kneel" flag and tell the sub to do it all while kneeling.

The "hates_" flags can be useful to make statements like "I know you don't like kneeling that much / But you will just have to get through that, #name". Besides, it can also be combined with the domme's mood, so that the domme chooses to make the sub things he dislikes when she is in a bad mood. (Please note that "hates_" flag refer to fetishes the sub has agreed to, but simply doesn't like especially much. The domme would never make the sub do something he has not agreed to.)

Lastly, there should be a limit for days without orgasm. During normal sessions, this would guarantee an orgasm after a certain amount of days. During a long denial period, it would end the long denial period (or at least the domme would ask the sub if he wants it to end, i.e. at least giving him the chance to end it) and make sure the sub is allowed to cum (because the Tease AI settings could still make the domme deny the sub although long denial has ended).

ski23 wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:00 pm I would like to build a new personality unlike any other from the ground up. With this new personality, I will attempt to solve as many problems as I can that cause existing personalities to get old. The end goal here is to be able to create 1 large single personality that most users could enjoy using frequently for a long time without it getting boring, repetitive, or predictable. I have wanted to do this for a long time and have lots of ideas on how to address many existing issues.

BTW: This sounds amazing!! Good luck and thanks for all your efforts!

ski23 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:33 pm 4. I’d like to have a lot of user interaction but I will make sure there are multiple ways to get to a module regardless of your input so the content isnt “missed”. Also I can document the types of interaction and what they can do.

avatarbr wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:44 am

ski23 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:33 pm 4. I’d like to have a lot of user interaction but I will make sure there are multiple ways to get to a module regardless of your input so the content isnt “missed”. Also I can document the types of interaction and what they can do.

Something I did for that was the Domme "leading" the use to say something. Like this:

Domme: I wonder if this pic will make your balls ache even more (put a @Timeout here, so the script don't stop if the user don't say anything)
Use: Yes/ it makes/etc. (trigger the response file for "balls aching)

I used this in cases where I created something big enough from interactions, and I want to give more chances someone will see it.


Other case, MissBlue have a lot of responses triggered only if some flags are active. This helps to keep the conversation more real.

clayk0 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:03 am just an idea i have:
making the domme use the webcam as she likes, giving you things to do while taking pics and teasing you with them sometimes. "you want to cum? cum to yourself"

if you ever got the auto-tagger integrated, she can even tell if you did some things correct or censor yourself from yourself.. ouch..

another thing the auto-tagger can do is start censoring your whole porn section. "You liked that pic? well, here you have it, nice and shiny- and censored"