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Okay, so this thread may not get a lot of attention, or any attention at all. Although not a cock hero creator, I have done a few PMVs in the past and now I'm looking to do a few more. But I'm taking a different approach than most would and centering the vids around the male performer's scenes. A lot of times I find myself disinterested in a MF scene because of the male performer and the chemistry or lack thereof that he has with his female counterpart. Or if the scene cuts 500 times because the male keeps getting soft. If he looks like he's fucking a chick but not having sex with her, I'm disinterested. I might as well watch two blocks of cheese getting it on. I hate weak orgasms after an intense scene or any time it seems the male's not into it. It's amazingly anti-climactic. And there are a few male performers that I outright will not watch in a scene, like Nacho Vidal and James Deen. My favorite performer has to be Johnny Sins. Not only does he inspire to workout, but he's about five years and one earring away from being Mr. Clean.

Anyway, are there any male performers you guys see and think to yourself "this is gonna be a good scene"?

Definitely Tommy Gunn and Evan Stone are awesome. I also don't like watching scenes with James Deen.

Yes, male performers often really make scenes happen. Underappreciated! haha

My favorite performer has to be Johnny Sins. Not only does he inspire to workout, but he's about five years and one earring away from being Mr. Clean.

Valid reasoning

I'm surprised to hear that you guys dont like James Deen. He's a favorite among girls, atleast.
I always found Scott Nails to be (unintentionally?) hilarious. Chris Strokes is also pretty good, though I havent seen that much of him. He also has a super long cock

Don't know any of them anymore. Used to be Tom Byron and Peter North, maybe Mike Horner. Jon Dough offed himself and Marc Wallice got aids. No idea, straight porn is so hard to watch w/o a CH to play. Hey, I enjoy a good lookin' dude but if their tool is too big and the chick can't suck it, most chicks don't know how to suck a cock anyway, what's the point? Christian fucks everything that moves but he is kind of lame, can't really fuck. There's a black dude who does gay porn who looks like James Hardin, the beard and all, huge cock, he's pretty good, but since we're coughing in our hand, that probably ain't your cup of meat.

You don't like nacho?! Wow. That's wild.
Do u not like watching Manuel fererra either?

I don't know the differences among the male performers. Some of them have SUCH monstrous dicks that I can't help but remember what the dick itself looks like, but otherwise I don't really identify who the male is, what his behaviors are like. I love point-of-view scenes in particular, especially the ones that are really immersive almost to the point of "virtual fuck" style filming (though the acting that goes along with the virtual-fuck things is not always the best, and is sometimes off-putting) because I want to be immersed into the fantasy. Some males perform more often in that kind of film. But otherwise I don't have preferences among the males.

Lord of Goon wrote:You don't like nacho?! Wow. That's wild.
Do u not like watching Manuel fererra either?

I don't mind Manuel, I've never seen a scene where he doesn't put a lot of energy and effort into the performance and really worships the girl, like it's the last time he'll ever fuck her, but...I don't really like him that much.

And I don't like Nacho because he flat out gets brutal with some chicks. I've seen him close-fist punch a chick in the face before. And James Deen is just gross to me. He's also on the abusive side. I'm pretty sure he's in some sort of rape scandal right now.

This is an interesting topic. I pay just as much attention to what male performers are in a scene as the female ones--not because they turn me on, but because they're one of the best indicators of what to expect from the scene. For example, I like Mike Adriano scenes. Not because I'm dying to see his huge dick, but because if he's in the scene I know its going to be high-energy and that the girl or girls in the scene are going to act like they're really into it. How do I know? Because I've never seen a scene with him in it where that hasn't been the case. I don't know if he's just really good at motivating the female performers, or if the studio he works with just pays really well, or what, but I've rarely seen so many women act like they love and can't get enough of some really hardcore shit, as they do in the scenes he's in. That's why I pay attention to and even seek out some male performers.

Regarding some of the ones already mentioned in this thread, I also really like Nacho Vidal scenes. Until a couple years ago, I really didn't like him because he seemed too rough. However, I don't know if he's just mellowed a bit with age or what, but the recent scenes I've seen him in are not as over-the-top and the women he's worked with lately seem to enjoy him and what they're doing. I guess that's a theme for me--I want the women to at least act like they're having a good time, and in the Nacho Vidal scenes I've seen lately, they seem to be.

My wife, who knows about and approves of my interest in porn, showed me an article recently about some criticism toward James Deen about him being too rough with the porn stars. And the criticism comes largely from the women he's worked with. I now avoid porn he's in. There's so much porn available these days, I don't need to choose rapey porn.

The last movie I liked Miguel Fererra in was Fashionistas, and that was a long time ago. Since then, there has been very little porn he's made that I've enjoyed, but it's hard for me to identify exactly what it is about him I don't like.

Evan Stone is an asshole. I saw him in a documentary where a photographer was putting together a coffee table book to raise money for charity. Lots of porn stars were donating their time and likeness to be photographed for the project, but Evan Stone absolutely refused because he was too big of a star to not be making big bucks. It really rubbed me the wrong way. Thankfully, he's not really making much porn these days anyway.

Just my two cents. What we do and don't like in porn is so subjective, I don't expect any two of us to have tastes that are aligned, but it's interesting to read what others do and don't like.

So, what is it that they have, that I don't have? A few of you guys seem to be a bit familiar with some male porn performers, so I figure you're as good as anyone to ask for this clarification: why them?

It's not just big dick. Not ALL of them have humongous dicks ya know. I can kind of understand the situation, if the guy has a huge dick, and he keeps himself at least relatively physically fit, then he's going to get filmed in porn. Sure, makes some sense (though, not much; but at least a little). But what about all of those dudes whose dicks aren't preposterously huge? I figure that my dick is about the same size as, oh, say, 50% of all the male porn performers' dicks that I've seen. Thus, I am left to wonder, do I have a 50% chance of getting into porn as a standard male performer?

alchemi183 wrote:This is an interesting topic. I pay just as much attention to what male performers are in a scene as the female ones--not because they turn me on, but because they're one of the best indicators of what to expect from the scene.

I'm right there with you on this one. And I really enjoy Mike Adriano scenes as well, even though I'm not a huge anal fan. My one pet peeve is probably his lackluster ejaculation--since that is the culmination and apex of the scene, it should be the button-cap, the stamp. And I've heard he's just a really good motivator and great to work with. I think he has great chemistry with the girls and is a fantastic director.

A few others I enjoy are Chris Strokes, Jules Jordan, Erik Everhard, just to name a couple.

book_guy wrote:So, what is it that they have, that I don't have?...
Thus, I am left to wonder, do I have a 50% chance of getting into porn as a standard male performer?

I have no idea, but it sounds like you're interested. Do you live near L.A.? Go to a casting or sign up with that agency the porn industry uses. (I forget the name of it.)

alchemi183 wrote:... it sounds like you're interested.

Hmm. Hypothetically, all other things being equal, are there really any humans on the planet who are NOT interested? I mean, uh ... as long as you HAVE a sexuality, then, isn't it kind of automatic that you would LOVE the opportunity to get paid to indulge in it? So, who ISN'T interested in being his own favorite porn star? OK, so maybe there's like a 4% slice of people who just think sex is disgusting and don't ever want to do it again, hey, that's their choice. And let's not speak about women, their drives are different from what most heterosexual men can assume is the "base" sex drive with which he was born. But ...

First, sure, there are issues. A heterosexual male might not want to do male-on-male homosexual scenes. A guy who likes young or average women might not want to be filmed fucking only hideous grannies. A typical North American princessy woman (or, maybe, just about any human woman) who wants a relationship to underpin her sexuality might not want to have sex with strangers before getting to know those partners.

But, presuming a bunch of kind-of natural presumptions: 1. that as a hetero male I would have sex with human females who are attractive to me, in heterosexual activity; 2. that you can always walk away from a scene if you don't enjoy it; 3. that you're going to be introduced to the hottie by the director or producer or whoever else, and that the sexual congress is not based on creating some kind of "seduction" of her, or having some kind of mutually supportive non-filmed relationship with her, but rather you just get to bone her because it's on camera and that's what the cameraman is filming ... well, with all that assumed ... and assuming that I'm going to get to do the sex that I WANT to do, not the sex that I DON'T want to do, then isn't it just a tautology to say, that I would want to do it in a porn scene?

So, basically, I don't understand your question. Who wouldn't be interested, if it were set up to make them interested in the first place?

I know this is all just a theoretical discussion, we've (most of us) never been amidst it while filming. We might really freak out when cameras and strangers watched us; we might not get hard-ons; we might get insecure of some perceived inability or inadequacy; etc.. Furthermore, we might not like the ancillaries -- dealing with the producers or directors or cameramen who are assholes, or not getting paid as much as we think we're "worth", or worrying that the slut whom we're boning is actually giving us herpes and AIDS and a hundred other diseases. Worrying about all the potential negatives of co-workers, required effort, remuneration, promotion and opportunity, the free market, etc., sure.

But all those negatives are also negatives in ANY OTHER INDUSTRY ON THE PLANET. So, ya know ... doesn't everyone WANT to do porn?

book_guy wrote:

alchemi183 wrote:... it sounds like you're interested.

Hmm. Hypothetically, all other things being equal, are there really any humans on the planet who are NOT interested? I mean, uh ... as long as you HAVE a sexuality, then, isn't it kind of automatic that you would LOVE the opportunity to get paid to indulge in it? So, who ISN'T interested in being his own favorite porn star? OK, so maybe there's like a 4% slice of people who just think sex is disgusting and don't ever want to do it again, hey, that's their choice. And let's not speak about women, their drives are different from what most heterosexual men can assume is the "base" sex drive with which he was born. But ...

First, sure, there are issues. A heterosexual male might not want to do male-on-male homosexual scenes. A guy who likes young or average women might not want to be filmed fucking only hideous grannies. A typical North American princessy woman (or, maybe, just about any human woman) who wants a relationship to underpin her sexuality might not want to have sex with strangers before getting to know those partners.

But, presuming a bunch of kind-of natural presumptions: 1. that as a hetero male I would have sex with human females who are attractive to me, in heterosexual activity; 2. that you can always walk away from a scene if you don't enjoy it; 3. that you're going to be introduced to the hottie by the director or producer or whoever else, and that the sexual congress is not based on creating some kind of "seduction" of her, or having some kind of mutually supportive non-filmed relationship with her, but rather you just get to bone her because it's on camera and that's what the cameraman is filming ... well, with all that assumed ... and assuming that I'm going to get to do the sex that I WANT to do, not the sex that I DON'T want to do, then isn't it just a tautology to say, that I would want to do it in a porn scene?

So, basically, I don't understand your question. Who wouldn't be interested, if it were set up to make them interested in the first place?

I know this is all just a theoretical discussion, we've (most of us) never been amidst it while filming. We might really freak out when cameras and strangers watched us; we might not get hard-ons; we might get insecure of some perceived inability or inadequacy; etc.. Furthermore, we might not like the ancillaries -- dealing with the producers or directors or cameramen who are assholes, or not getting paid as much as we think we're "worth", or worrying that the slut whom we're boning is actually giving us herpes and AIDS and a hundred other diseases. Worrying about all the potential negatives of co-workers, required effort, remuneration, promotion and opportunity, the free market, etc., sure.

But all those negatives are also negatives in ANY OTHER INDUSTRY ON THE PLANET. So, ya know ... doesn't everyone WANT to do porn?

Enjoying sex, enjoying porn, and wanting to be in porn are three different things. I love sex and I love porn. But I don't want to have sex with anyone but my wife. Even if I had no qualms about that, or I were single, I still would have zero desire to be in porn. I'm much too private of a person for that. I suppose given the ideal set of circumstances, I might agree to go on a date with a pornstar, or to have sex with her, but I still would never want to be in that industry. in simple terms, I'm a voyeur, not an exhibitionist. And I doubt I'm unique in that. Does that help answer your question?

If you're having a hard time separating enjoyment found watching porn and what you perceive would be enjoyment from starring in them, all the more reason to do it, yes? Sounds to me like you're the sort of person who would like it, but no, not everyone would--of that I am certain.

alchemi183 wrote:Enjoying sex, enjoying porn, and wanting to be in porn are three different things. I love sex and I love porn. But I don't want to have sex with anyone but my wife. Even if I had no qualms about that, or I were single, I still would have zero desire to be in porn. I'm much too private of a person for that. I suppose given the ideal set of circumstances, I might agree to go on a date with a pornstar, or to have sex with her, but I still would never want to be in that industry. in simple terms, I'm a voyeur, not an exhibitionist. And I doubt I'm unique in that. Does that help answer your question?

If you're having a hard time separating enjoyment found watching porn and what you perceive would be enjoyment from starring in them, all the more reason to do it, yes? Sounds to me like you're the sort of person who would like it, but no, not everyone would--of that I am certain.

Yup, I see where you're coming from. I totally understand the issue of not wanting to have sex with anyone but your wife. I don't ... uh ... I don't have a wife! Heh ... Also, the issue of being "too private" of a person. These are completely sensible comments that I can empathize with, that do make sense to me. I guess the questions that I'm raising are precisely because they didn't occur to me when left to my own devices on my own, in the first place. This still indicates that maybe I have more of an exhibitionistic or out-there-nutso streak, at least in my assumptions about discussions of what I THINK I want to do, than do a larger portion of other people, larger portion than I might at first have assumed. In other words, I'm more of an anomaly in the who-wants-to-do-porn question than I first realized? Here, without some serious investigation, we're not really able to do the real statistics, of course, so it's all anecdotal. Glad to have your perspective, though, since it's rather different from my own initial perspective and yet is still sensible and respectful etc..

I don't know if I'd characterize my own situation as "having a hard time separating enjoyment found watching porn and what you perceive would be enjoyment from starring in them." I think my situation is more, "wants to enjoy the thrill." I think it would be entirely a different experience. Getting filmed would be the public fun; watching is generally private fun. Both would be fun, but different fun.

Watching porn, I tend to stay totally alone. I've watched with some girlfriends but it's not the same thing, as when I am all alone setting up for a good watch-and-wank. Also, the idea of the cock-hero "competitions" where three or eight or ninety dudes get on-line together and "share" the whack-off to the same beat? That turns me off. It's not that I'm just overtly heterosexual, or even insecure about my sexuality. In fact, I don't think I'd want to do that whacking even if all the other competitors were females watching me. It's not about the likelihood of the other competitors being (or not being) potential sexual partners. It's about getting into the mental zone. I am glad other people find a way to enjoy themselves, I'm not judging! They can do whatever! The more the merrier! But it's not, in general, something that titillates me. Porn is private, to me. Not really "keep it private, keep it safe" like Gandalf said to Bilbo or Frodo about The One Ring. Just "this is what I do alone not with others." Doesn't BOTHER me that others might notice (well, I don't think I'd want my MOM to walk in on me ...) and I'm comfortable about sexuality enough to know (1) it's biological, fun, natural to do, so I'm allowed, and don't need to feel guilty about whacking off; (2) I might "do it" with a guy some day if he were hot enough, so I'm not worried that someone would "turn me gay" or some other myth about male-and-male porn observation. I'm OK with those potential outcomes -- they don't feel risky. But I still prefer private rather than public VIEWING of porn.

But PERFORMING in porn (of course) wouldn't be private. So, in my fantasies and my imagination, mislead as I no doubt am, I imagine that being FILMED in a porn movie would be something thrilling for a bunch of OTHER reasons. Basically ... I want to bone some of those chicks. There are about a zillion hot women whom I have seen filmed, that I want to get to have sex with, and if I could get them in "normal" mating-and-dating ways I'd be just as excited as, if I could only get them by means of getting hired to be filmed screwing them (which, getting hired to be filmed, by the way I don't think is very likely; but that's a different issue). I often wonder, why am I always meeting and dating and mating with women who don't turn me on as much as porn girls do? I know, there's the issues of make-up and lighting and carefully selected angles ... but there's also just the issues of body-fat. And so on.

So, for me, a great deal of the fantasy of performing in porn would simply be, that the sex would be enjoyable BECAUSE THE WOMEN LOOK ENJOYABLE. I of course might not find that to be the case -- they smell bad? or I'm freaked out by the cameraman and the lighting dude shoving a hot Leko in my face? or they're total bitches and have annoying sour-puss expressions on their faces about the fact that they don't want to be fucking me, whenever the camera is not on their faces? That would all suck, of course. I don't pretend that I know what the reality would be. I'm just analyzing the (seeming) motivations for why I have this fantasy.

Thus, order of magnitude one -- I want to fuck some of them -- is my reason for thinking I might want to be chosen to perform in porn. Just some thoughts. :)