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OK, forgive me this rant. I don't mean for this to stifle anyone's pornographic creativity. But I was working my way through one of the recently released videos and something occurred to me, and I I wanted to get others opinions.

For those of us who have been into CH for a while, you will realize that the first 4 CH's didn't have beat meters. Just instructions to follow the beat. Then, with CH 5, something miraculous happened. The beats and the meter to go along with it. This took hold, and became the staple of the CH video.

Several videos have been released without them, and my piece is this. A video without beats is pretty much just a porn compilation to jerk off to. Not that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't really belong here. There are already hundreds of terabytes worth of porn compilations a mouse click away to jerk off to. The most recent video I was working my way through had some basic instructions, but was over 50% freestyle. That basically means that it was merely a porn comp to wank to. To be perfectly honest, without beats to challenge me, I ended up wanking until the end, and then it just suddenly ended. So I switched to another video and finished my business, a little disappointed. I think to qualify as a CH vid, and be posted here, a video should include beats to follow, as part of the challenge. Otherwise, there really is none, and the video should be posted along with any of the other thousands of compilations already out there on other numerous sites.

Really not trying to be an ass, but there it is... Opinions?

jstwolf wrote:OK, forgive me this rant. I don't mean for this to stifle anyone's pornographic creativity. But I was working my way through one of the recently released videos and something occurred to me, and I I wanted to get others opinions.

Ok. you're forgiven.

jstwolf wrote:For those of us who have been into CH for a while, you will realize that the first 4 CH's didn't have beat meters. Just instructions to follow the beat. Then, with CH 5, something miraculous happened. The beats and the meter to go along with it. This took hold, and became the staple of the CH video.

To clarify, while the first few CH's didn't have a stroke meter, they all did have a stroke beat. Just wanted to make this point now as I'll refer to it later.

jstwolf wrote:Several videos have been released without them, and my piece is this. A video without beats is pretty much just a porn compilation to jerk off to. Not that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't really belong here. There are already hundreds of terabytes worth of porn compilations a mouse click away to jerk off to. The most recent video I was working my way through had some basic instructions, but was over 50% freestyle. That basically means that it was merely a porn comp to wank to. To be perfectly honest, without beats to challenge me, I ended up wanking until the end, and then it just suddenly ended. So I switched to another video and finished my business, a little disappointed. I think to qualify as a CH vid, and be posted here, a video should include beats to follow, as part of the challenge. Otherwise, there really is none, and the video should be posted along with any of the other thousands of compilations already out there on other numerous sites.

Really not trying to be an ass, but there it is... Opinions?

A part of my believes that, if a member here goes through the trouble of making a video tease for people, regardless of its format of having a stroke beat/meter or not, then I don't necessarily see the harm of having it available for people to check out. With that said, since the "CH-style" of video teases originated here, innovated here and has pretty much become the standard format of video teases that the majority of Milovana members are interested in, I think video teases without the standard CH-style of stroke beats/meters should definitely point this out.

I've always felt that if video tease creators are going to use the "Cock Hero" moniker in their title works, the least they could do is to include the fundamentals of what makes a "Cock Hero" type video tease - mandatory stroke beats with stroke instructions (be it text or a stroke meter). One worry I have is if we start seeing new "unscrupulous" members that decide to make a half-ass "Cock Hero" porn compilations just for the sake of download dollars. Thankfully, that hasn't happened at this time (so far as I know).

Anyway, now I've ranted long enough (see jstwolf - it's contagious!) - bottom line for me is if someone wants to make a video tease without all the "Cock Hero" standard trimmings, as long as they point that out, I don't have a real issue.

I guess my point is mainly that the vids without beats don't seem to belong here. There are already many venues for porn comps. This one, at least to me, is the CH home, and the videos here should be those types of challenges. Watch these scenes, follow these beats, make it to the end, if you can. Freestyle is just watching plain porn.

jstwolf wrote:I guess my point is mainly that the vids without beats don't seem to belong here. There are already many venues for porn comps. This one, at least to me, is the CH home, and the videos here should be those types of challenges. Watch these scenes, follow these beats, make it to the end, if you can. Freestyle is just watching plain porn.

I can't speak for all the creators who use Freestyle as a stroke indicator, but myself, I use it in my reward rounds, simply because the "player" knows what stroke method to use for the best result.

Example: If a reward round has a stroke/beat that is too fast, I'm not going to be rewarded. If it has a moderate steady beat or 3-stroke clusters, I'm going to be a happy camper. Not all penises are created equal, and not all stroking methods deliver the same sensation for each individual.

That said, I totally agree that if an entire CH-style video is made and the only cue ever is "Freestyle throughout", then yeah, it's not really living up to the CH-brand. I would liken it would to playing Guitar Hero and an entire song just "Play whatever you like, it doesn't matter" and getting points for it.

Jackal403 wrote:

jstwolf wrote:I guess my point is mainly that the vids without beats don't seem to belong here. There are already many venues for porn comps. This one, at least to me, is the CH home, and the videos here should be those types of challenges. Watch these scenes, follow these beats, make it to the end, if you can. Freestyle is just watching plain porn.

I can't speak for all the creators who use Freestyle as a stroke indicator, but myself, I use it in my reward rounds, simply because the "player" knows what stroke method to use for the best result.

Example: If a reward round has a stroke/beat that is too fast, I'm not going to be rewarded. If it has a moderate steady beat or 3-stroke clusters, I'm going to be a happy camper. Not all penises are created equal, and not all stroking methods deliver the same sensation for each individual.

That said, I totally agree that if an entire CH-style video is made and the only cue ever is "Freestyle throughout", then yeah, it's not really living up to the CH-brand. I would liken it would to playing Guitar Hero and an entire song just "Play whatever you like, it doesn't matter" and getting points for it.

I can totally see it in a reward round, for the reasons you stated. I actually like a reward round that challenges me right up to the end, and then goes all out, pretty much forcing a "happy end", but freestyle works there too, because I will pretty much do the same thing at that point anyway. The most recent challenge I did was over an hour, and although there were some instructions early on, there were no beats (other than music)and over half of it was freestyle, which was what prompted this post.

Since the forum is called "On Video", I believe these videos do belong here, but they should not have "Cock Hero", or anything similar in their titles. Also, they could be in a different sticky (not "Mapping the Cock Hero World"), and the original one should only contain content that classifies as Cock Hero (i.e. has beats and titles or stroke meter).

Beat Meter all the way

jstwolf wrote:

Jackal403 wrote:

jstwolf wrote:I guess my point is mainly that the vids without beats don't seem to belong here. There are already many venues for porn comps. This one, at least to me, is the CH home, and the videos here should be those types of challenges. Watch these scenes, follow these beats, make it to the end, if you can. Freestyle is just watching plain porn.

I can't speak for all the creators who use Freestyle as a stroke indicator, but myself, I use it in my reward rounds, simply because the "player" knows what stroke method to use for the best result.

Example: If a reward round has a stroke/beat that is too fast, I'm not going to be rewarded. If it has a moderate steady beat or 3-stroke clusters, I'm going to be a happy camper. Not all penises are created equal, and not all stroking methods deliver the same sensation for each individual.

That said, I totally agree that if an entire CH-style video is made and the only cue ever is "Freestyle throughout", then yeah, it's not really living up to the CH-brand. I would liken it would to playing Guitar Hero and an entire song just "Play whatever you like, it doesn't matter" and getting points for it.

I can totally see it in a reward round, for the reasons you stated. I actually like a reward round that challenges me right up to the end, and then goes all out, pretty much forcing a "happy end", but freestyle works there too, because I will pretty much do the same thing at that point anyway. The most recent challenge I did was over an hour, and although there were some instructions early on, there were no beats (other than music)and over half of it was freestyle, which was what prompted this post.

JSTWOLF
Yea ok,so I'm a bit surprised that you would complement my work on one page with a minor comment about a lack of beats. And then on another thread you lobby to have creations like mine cast out of the whole forum as JUST ANOTHER PORN COMPILATION on another thread.

Anyone who knows my creations knows that I never set out to create a cock hero video. I never ever set out to create any illusion they are the same.

WorkOut and cock hero are 4 different words and in my opinion they are different brands.

This forum was created for web teases and then video teases started being created.

I firmly believe that my creations fit the tease bracket. I believe some people like a video tease and don't want to be focusing on a line or a beat when there's hot sex going on in front of them

That's my rebuttal. I make no apology. Perhaps if you have the desire to kick me out you can set up a vote and do it it to my face instead.

I have trouble being for or against the beatmeter. There are a few elements that come into play with whether I like it or hate it.

A beatmeter is great for establishing timing and the rhythm to follow, especially if it's not just a steady 1-2-3-4 type beat. But if the pattern changes constantly, and is more complex, the beat meter becomes a constant draw for the players attention. This is where I dislike beatmeters (and complex, dynamic, constantly changing patterns). I want to enjoy the video content, not glimpse it in my peripherals while I watch a scrolling bar.

Some people have natural rhythm and can follow a static beat without visual cues, even foresee the changes (I myself am a drummer and this comes very naturally), so a beatmeter is not necessary. Would that everyone had this gift, because it would cut down significantly on the amount of work that goes into creating a CH style video!

I personally like the free-style rounds. I think its important to remember people have different tastes and prefrences and just because you may or may not like a particular aspect of a video does not mean everyone else feels the same way and the video should be banned from these forums. If you don't like the format/content of the video, than don't watch it, its pretty simple. I am thankful for all the hard work the video creators have done for this website.

gmen650 wrote:I personally like the free-style rounds. I think its important to remember people have different tastes and prefrences and just because you may or may not like a particular aspect of a video does not mean everyone else feels the same way and the video should be banned from these forums. If you don't like the format/content of the video, than don't watch it, its pretty simple. I am thankful for all the hard work the video creators have done for this website.

Let me ask you this though. If you want "freestyle", why not just go to any streaming porn site and just watch some videos? If its the music edited in, there are hundreds of those. I can see an occasional freestyle round, but not a 76 minute "tease". Thats not a tease. Its just porn.

tribes wrote:
JSTWOLF
Yea ok,so I'm a bit surprised that you would complement my work on one page with a minor comment about a lack of beats. And then on another thread you lobby to have creations like mine cast out of the whole forum as JUST ANOTHER PORN COMPILATION on another thread.

Anyone who knows my creations knows that I never set out to create a cock hero video. I never ever set out to create any illusion they are the same.

WorkOut and cock hero are 4 different words and in my opinion they are different brands.

This forum was created for web teases and then video teases started being created.

I firmly believe that my creations fit the tease bracket. I believe some people like a video tease and don't want to be focusing on a line or a beat when there's hot sex going on in front of them

That's my rebuttal. I make no apology. Perhaps if you have the desire to kick me out you can set up a vote and do it it to my face instead.

Sensitive much? I'm not trying to kick anyone out. Just wondering about others opinions on whether this is the correct venue for your style of vid, and making a statement of opinion.

I complimented your work on your post for PW 4 because I appreciated your effort, and the content was great. For what it is, I think it was really good. True, your video has some stroke instructions in the first half. But the bottom line is that when you take out the instructions and without beats, you are basically watching a porn compilation, and I don't think that really qualifies as a tease or a challenge. I can go to xvideo, porntube, redtube, etc., and find hundreds, if not thousands of similar videos. Since freestyle (which is what they are, if you choose to jerk to them) compilation videos already have those other well known venues, why post more here? I started this post because I was curious about other peoples opinions on the matter of beats or not. Along the way, I gave my opinion. Sorry if I offended you.

The On Video forum was actually created because so many people were posting in Webteases about CH videos that they earned their own category. I remember when it happened. Video stuff in general kind of slipped in by default, but to me this will always be the CH forum. And this became the place to post new creations of a like type. It is called On Video though, so...

Don't ever let what I have to say dissuade you from your particular brand of porn editing genius. By all means, please make more.

Since this is the "On Video" forum and the description of the forum is "Discussion about Cock Hero and other sexy videos" I think there is clearly room here for all kinds of video. People often post links to videos on Youtube and similar that are either sexy or arousing in some way but clearly not Cock Hero videos, and I think that is perfectly fine and falls within the proper use of the forum.

The real question, perhaps, is which videos should be included in the Mapping the Cock Hero world thread. That is a list that I started and maintain and the moderator made sticky. Others are free to start a list as well and make theirs more restrictive, if they'd like, although since I'm not a moderator I can't say whether other lists would be made sticky.

On the first post of the Mapping the Cock Hero world thread, I list what the criteria are for being included in the list. Basically, any video that has some stroking instruction, in the form of text, added beats, added audio, or a stroke meter, or some combination of these currently qualify. I reserve the right to make adjustments to these criteria in the future.

I'm not sure which videos the OP was talking about specifically, but Tribes clearly thinks it is about his. In my opinion, even though Tribes doesn't use the Cock Hero name, there are enough similarities and elements to his videos that I wanted to include them in the list. The list uses an asterisk to identify videos that include a stroke meter, so if you'd like to narrow in on those videos it should be easy. Other attributes can be gleaned from reading the first few posts of the thread announcing each video. Additionally, the list always clearly identifies the author of each video and groups them together by author, so if you already know that you don't care for a particular author's style, it should be easy enough to avoid those videos.

Currently, to my knowledge, I have included only one video in the list that doesn't fully meet the list's stated criteria, but I did so after another member requested its inclusion and I reviewed it and found it to be an exceptionally well made and well edited video. The author/editor intended it to be considered as a Cock Hero video so I included it with a note that it does not include a stroke meter or added beats. If it becomes a problem in the future, I will remove it from the list, but feel it is a good fit for now.

I suggest we all relax a bit and enjoy what other people are working hard at creating for us. That's my two cents.

wolfy wrote:Maybe someoen w/ experience could take Porn Workout 4 and put a beat meter to it. I'm not sure if the music would need to be changed, but if so I'm sure just some of it.

I think the content and editing was fantastic and w/ some fast beat music w/ a beat meter would be the #1 CH vid. Thanks for the Aletta stuff!!!!!

BTW where did u get the beginning tease stuff w/ Aletta?

It was a BTS from 21sextury.

Ps I am pleased that you liked it.

If someone ever felt like adding a beat meter I would not mind, I would love to work with someone to deliver to those that wanted it.

I would always produce my version for those (like me) that like without beats and a meter and let the other person have the control over stroke rate etc coz thats not my thing.

I was even going to make a shout out for help doing this before this thread was opened.

I feel like if you spend many hours sourcing editing, thinking of new ideas and music for a video you are going to be a little defensive and sensitive about the creation.

I've searched PORN HUB for compilations put to music / or not, and I have found no videos that are of the size and quality of the videos that have been painstakingly created by the members on this forum.

To believe that they are in the same league is a misjudgment in my opinion.

I've had some similar feedback about my videos without the beatmeter and I'd appreciate if there were some clear rules about this OR some clear indication of lack of said rules.
Since the last 2 videos I decided on not even naming my videos CH since they didn't feature beat meters or the original 1 minute breaks in between, and had reward rounds in the end (which my videos had from the first one, but the original CH ones didn't). However if the purpose of this board is to feature only videos conforming to the original format, please put a disclaimer about it somewhere or dictate the rules clearly.
I'll definetly continue my video producing efforts but if it seems like this isn't the right place for them maybe another subforum can be created to feature other CH-like "compilations"? Or should I take my stuff elsewhere?