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Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:25 pm
by InfamousPlantain
nice. I'm here just thinking of adding a bluetooth module to mine after I saw @puste's setup. But of course, I'd end up with yet another box, since they're all external.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:31 pm
by JakofClubs
InfamousPlantain wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:25 pm
nice. I'm here just thinking of adding a bluetooth module to mine after I saw @puste's setup. But of course, I'd end up with yet another box, since they're all external.
Some of these small class D amps have Bluetooth built-in, but I can't say if those amps are any good when used for stimming, which is outside of what they were designed for.
Edit: This appears to be the Bluetooth version of the amp I'm using. But i haven't actually used it.
https://www.amazon.com/Nobsound-Bluetoo ... B07GBPKD49
Edit2: I'm just going to mention that the original, SmartStim tested and recommended Doku/NobSound/Breeze Audio amps are hard to find on Amazon and Ebay. The original amps look like the one in my build post above.
My advice, in lieu of actual stress testing, is to NOT buy the cheapest TPA3116D2 amp you can find but get one with a decent heat sink and a good build quality from a reputable seller. Power them with a double insulated 12v 5A power supply.
Edit3: 50Wx2 is plenty of power for the amp, using a single TPA3116 chip. I'm seeing a lot of these on Amazon/Ebay using two chips and claiming 100wx2 or 200w.
So far, no one has posted any bad experiences with the inexpensive amp in the first post in this thread. If this is not the case, please correct me.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:50 am
by Storm123
so I built this as listed in the first post (top image, different power supply (tried a couple just in case)) but it would seem I have run into a slight problem. According to a few there should be plenty of power from this setup but when I try it I can easily max out the Amp and the amps input volumes with little issue. would anyone happen to have any ideas why I'm getting so little power from the unit?
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:09 am
by Spielers
Storm123 wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:50 am
so I built this as listed in the first post (top image, different power supply (tried a couple just in case)) but it would seem I have run into a slight problem. According to a few there should be plenty of power from this setup but when I try it I can easily max out the Amp and the amps input volumes with little issue. would anyone happen to have any ideas why I'm getting so little power from the unit?
what do you mean with "a diffrent power supply"? you need 12V DC power supply!!
if you have 12 V DC power than, try an pulsiv signal. if a pulsiv audio signal will not help try it without the two 4 Ohm resistor. If all not work, than your amplifier is defect
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:18 am
by phoopha
I have just ordered an SMSL amp to begin a build project. Looking forward to seeing how a DIY set-up compares to my 2B.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 3:24 pm
by phoopha
Today, I have ordered a couple of transformers and some resistors from Mouser, for delivery to the UK.
Bought the Visaton TR 10.16 transformers and 3r9 25w and 12r 25w resistors, to possibly try putting them in like one of the other designs.
Getting excited now about getting everything together and making the unit.

Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:10 pm
by phoopha
InfamousPlantain wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:39 pm
JakofClubs wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:46 pm
I liked it so much a did a cleaner, minimal design with the recommended amp from SmartStim.com
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So, after rereading this and the other thread many times, I finally built the variation @JakofClubs posted above (thanks!) ... almost exactly like it...
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As a first time stimmer, geez, this thing was strong! I feel like I couldn't turn the nobsound amp's volume past 20%! Did I wire something off or is that somewhat expected? I mean, the wiring looks so simple in this setup, which was one of the reasons why I gravitated towards it.
On closer inspection, I do realize that I am using the originally recommended 10w resistors from the original build and not the 25w ones used in @JakofClubs' build, but would that cause that?
@lolol2, I did read about you mentioning the difference in volume required for anal trodes vs ones attached outside and I thought I encountered this issue. Made the mistake of calibrating on the anal one and got a pretty literal shocking experience on the glans one

Recalibrated for glans, and no longer felt the anal one, unless I somehow got the anal one disconnected. This time around, I used all rubber loops. Would that contribute to the problem? @JakofClubs, do you notice this problem on your build with the nobsound amp?
Other n00b mistakes included not realizing that the drilled project box holes actually were conductive so I had to insulate all my banana plug jacks, realizing that I should probably insulate the banana plugs that attach to the electrodes, making a whole mess between lubes and electrogels, still trying to find that perfect sweet spot. I think I hit it sometimes, but lose it just as easy. That volume control is just too sensitive.
But at the end of everything, I did get a good release -- just not properly through the intention of the tease (@lolol2's legendary estim tower). Well, already planning "fixes" and thanks to @cl13a, @hosenguy, @JakofClubs, and everyone here for their shares!
How many fixing posts are there on the back of your switches? Any chance of a quick diagram showing how they're wired? Thanks.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:31 pm
by InfamousPlantain
phoopha wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:10 pm
How many fixing posts are there on the back of your switches? Any chance of a quick diagram showing how they're wired? Thanks.
They are Double Pole Single Throw (DPST) switches with 4 posts each. For the power switch, each pole cuts one channel's black wire just so I didn't need 2 separate Single Pole (SPST) switches. If you want to cut power separately, you will need to separate out the switches. OR if you don't care about cutting power, you don't need them at all. It's not part of the original design. For the tri-phase switch, only one pole is used. Could've went with a SPST but eh, just hitting qty2 was easier on ordering and probably more uniform on the look.
The idea and diagrams are based on the three former posts in this thread by CaliPhotoDude and Hosenguy
viewtopic.php?p=297806#p297806
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:35 pm
by phoopha
InfamousPlantain wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:31 pm
phoopha wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 4:10 pm
How many fixing posts are there on the back of your switches? Any chance of a quick diagram showing how they're wired? Thanks.
They are Double Pole Single Throw (DPST) switches with 4 posts each. For the power switch, each pole cuts one channel's black wire just so I didn't need 2 separate Single Pole (SPST) switches. If you want to cut power separately, you will need to separate out the switches. OR if you don't care about cutting power, you don't need them at all. It's not part of the original design. For the tri-phase switch, only one pole is used. Could've went with a SPST but eh, just hitting qty2 was easier on ordering and probably more uniform on the look.
The idea and diagrams are based on the three former posts in this thread by CaliPhotoDude and Hosenguy
viewtopic.php?p=297806#p297806
Is there any particular specification regarding voltage or amps?
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:06 am
by InfamousPlantain
phoopha wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:35 pm
Is there any particular specification regarding voltage or amps?
I won't claim to "know" this one, but I went by what hosenguy said in the other post
"In both uses the switches require less than an amp by a bunch. So if it handles around 150 Volts, or more, it likely will work."
The ones I got were standard 120V ones. I can't imagine much lower ones not working based on such low amperage that we're passing through on the output side.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:44 am
by phoopha
InfamousPlantain wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:06 am
phoopha wrote: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:35 pm
Is there any particular specification regarding voltage or amps?
I won't claim to "know" this one, but I went by what hosenguy said in the other post
"In both uses the switches require less than an amp by a bunch. So if it handles around 150 Volts, or more, it likely will work."
The ones I got were standard 120V ones. I can't imagine much lower ones not working based on such low amperage that we're passing through on the output side.
Thanks. I'll get some ordered. Quite like the idea of one of those with the cover, like on the trigger of a fighter plane.

Thinking about wire, I know it has been mentioned that 1.5mm is used, but I was wondering whether multifilament bell wire or speaker wire would be suitable?
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:37 pm
by phoopha
JakofClubs wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:55 pm
I made a version of this stim box with the Doku/NobSound/Breeze Audio amp built inside, with the dummy load resistors and transformers.
JoC_stimbox_front2.jpg
Here's some pictures of the internal wiring. It will run for hours at 1/4 to 1/3 volume and not get warm.
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Is this unit designed to deliver either triphase or a single channel stim? I note that there only seem to be three output sockets.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:05 am
by Electro
phoopha wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:37 pm
JakofClubs wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:55 pm
I made a version of this stim box with the Doku/NobSound/Breeze Audio amp built inside, with the dummy load resistors and transformers.
JoC_stimbox_front2.jpg
Here's some pictures of the internal wiring. It will run for hours at 1/4 to 1/3 volume and not get warm.
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JoC_stimbox_top.jpg
JoC_stimbox_Right1.jpg
JoC_stimbox_Right2.jpg
JoC_stimbox_Left1.jpg
JoC_stimbox_Left2.jpg
Is this unit designed to deliver either triphase or a single channel stim? I note that there only seem to be three output sockets.
I'm pretty sure the pictures are showing one port being a stereo input(line in) and the other two are left and right channel. Tri-phase involves connecting two leads together as a common lead to an electrode with the other two going to two other electrodes.
JakOfClubs use of the ports make this difficult to do this directly unless an adapter is made or bought to break the connections out so wiring can be connected that way, or if wiring is used that combines them.
I skipped that entirely and put my transformer outputs into 3 port wago lever nut connectors and then connect my wiring to the electrodes by sliding the wire in and locking it down and that's worked conveniently for me because I can change to and from tri-phase by adding a jumper wire between the two 'common' outputs of the transformers and using a 3 wire output from there and if I want a 4-wire 2 channel setup, I just disconnect the jumper and add back the fourth wire.
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:59 pm
by phoopha
With regards to the internal wiring, is bell wire suitable for joining the components?
Re: Low-cost (~$40-60) DIY Stereo E-stim for Audio Input (based on TroniC's MidiStim)
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:03 pm
by phoopha
I should have the last few components tomorrow, so hopefully, I'll have my DIY device made by next week.
I tried a few teases today, with my 2B, that are meant to have pain signals, yet felt nothing with the 2B. Hopefully, my new unit should rectify the situation!