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Take a deck of cards, including the jokers, and shuffle them. Then draw a card. After drawing your card, return it to the deck.

Aces = Edge twice and draw again.
King of Hearts = Edge once, while watching 30 minutes of your favorite porn.
King of Diamonds = Edge, and then watch 30 minutes to one hour of porn without touching your self.
King of Clubs = Edge, rest for thirty seconds, and then edge again. Do this until you have edged five times.
King of Spades = No touching your genitalia or nipples for two days, except to clean, but do so quickly.
Queen of Diamonds = Twenty minutes of spanking to your ass, or until it has a nice pinkish glow to it.
Queen of Clubs = Put on nipple clamps. Rotate them every ten minutes. Edge after each rotation, until you have edged five times.
Jack of Hearts = Edge with your favorite toy, or if you don't have any toys, edge using only your non-dominate hand.
Jack of Diamonds = Edge Use ice cubes on your nipples, or on the outside or inside of your genitalia or anus.
Jack of Clubs = Do any two teases at Milo, but do not cum.
Jack of Spades = Edge three times, in the shower or bathtub.
Number Cards = If you draw a 2 through 10, draw a second card, continuing to draw past face cards, until another number card comes up.
The first number card is how many edges you must do each day. The second number card is how many days you have to edge.
Jokers = This card doubles everything.
Queen of Spades = Get another deck of cards. Take the Queen of Hearts out of the new deck, and shuffle the two decks together.
When you have the two decks, if you draw a number card, now you have to draw four cards instead of two. The first two cards are added together and the third and forth cards are added together. The same instructions for numbers cards from above, apply.
The Joker instructions still apply. So, if you draw a joker, before that first number card, that would double it to 26 edges a day, for 36 days.
Set aside the cards you have drawn - they will get shuffled back in to the deck, if you draw the Queen of Spades again.
Only two decks should be used in this game.
Queen of Hearts = You get to cum any way you want, as long as you enjoy it.

Be safe!!

7in wrote:

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I did manage to get to sleep and sleep well, probably exhausted from hockey and my two edges. Woke up this morning hard and horny as usual plus some. Did one edge, it was fairly quick. Then got breakfast and showered. In the shower, I of course couldn't keep my hands off myself. I think I would have cum except my legs go wobbly when I edge standing up giving me enough warning and a reason to stop. I realised I had finished my task and thought of getting out of the shower and drawing another card, but then I thought what if I draw a 10 and then another 10 or something. I decide I should cum in order to give myself the best chance at completing my next draw. My orgasm wasn't as great as I thought it would be. Don't get me wrong it was good but more relieving a need than being really enjoyable. Like a nutritious but not that tasty meal maybe because that session was quite short. After that I decided to draw again...6 damn that is 6 edges difficult but do able but will I be able to stop for the rest of the day and get to sleep and for how many days... 3. One more than this time but with 6 edges I have a feeling I won't make it, but I'll see how far I get. Good thing I was smart enough to get some relief before drawing again. After supper I came back to this forum. Thanks for replying shell, I completely understand why you would stick with one person at a time. OK now for my edges. 6, deep breath ok ready as I'll ever be. I checked out the video SM posted. IT'S 108 MIN LONG! It's a slow build though so the first 25 min or so I took it real easy and then I had done 3 edges by about the 75 min mark. Now the video gets more intense and the head of my cock has pre cum on it making the rest of the edges much more difficult. On the 6th edge I thought I was going to cum for sure, but I managed to hold back and dribbled a bunch of precum. It was so hard to stop. Tomorrow morning is going to be tough.

I think you made a wise choice with orgasming before starting again. That's what I would have done too, if I was given permission by Master to do so. *smile*

So, 6 edges a day, for three days....wow! I think the most edges I have done is three in one day.....I think. Master is that right?

You can do this......don't give up......*big smile*

dr.d wrote:I would like to say to Shell ,S.M. , 7in. and anyone else that is playing and chose not to post , you can do it , and I would like to remind every one to keep themselves safe , when the fun stops , its time to do something else

Thank you so very much for your encouragement Master!!! *bright smile*

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I am going to go eat breakfast.....and then see what I am going to do with my edges today. *giggling smile*
God, I'm so horny...my panties are soaked right now. *blushing*

Day 3

When I wrote that, it makes the time so real to me. I have not even reached the half way point yet. I start to panic and then close my eyes and focus on Master's face, his brilliant smile, his eyes, his lips speaking encouraging words to me.
I focus on the here and the now.....two sweet edges that await me...I won't look at tomorrow, until it is upon me.

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I'm putting this behind a spoiler, because it got lengthy. *blush*

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Today, I am going to be edging while looking at porn. And I am going to be writing things....here and there as I move through this tease today.
I have my headset on, not because anyone is in the house, but because my speakers go nuts, when I use an electrical toy.
I have my Hitachi plugged in and am now going to position it between my legs, leaning back into my chair a bit.....pressing it to my clit, it hums, calling to my pussy.

*moans softly as the hum, the vibration soaks into my soul, into my very essence.* I don't have to hold it, because my body and the chair hold it for me.......I dream of one day the Hitachi being tied to my thigh, and I can't escape it.... *moans again*

*I pull up Google Video's. I type in "female orgasm denial"

The first one that comes up is:
http://xhamster.com/movies/353001/orgas ... _more.html
I didn't stay at this one to long. I didn't like the way it went back and forth, cutting away from scene to scene.

The next one...
http://xxxbunker.com/1716357
Very nice, but again...chopped up...

I need to find one that I can sit back and get lost in...sticks with xhamster, with just "orgasm denial".

I found this one....
http://xhamster.com/movies/981038/tease ... s_jaa.html
and it was fucking hot. I simply loved watching this guy not being able to handle her touching the head of his cock.....I got so very close to the edge with this, but it ended......I NEED MORE!!!

http://xhamster.com/movies/919506/mistr ... _of_2.html
*breathing heavy* oh yes!!! I found more by the same lady, I think.......I edged at 1:34. OH God...when she wrapped her leg, her stocking leg, around his cock and begin to tease the head....oh fuck!!!! *moans*

I'm going to watch more now...........yes more................need more......I'm not going to turn the Hitachi on again, yet....... *my breasts rise and fall with my heavy breath*

Things were going good, and then some things I am not into, began......*looks for another video*

I found
http://xhamster.com/movies/249741/mistr ... deo_1.html
I fast forwarded to 6:41 and started it and the Hitachi there.....

*pants* I edged at 12:49. OH God,.....when she told him not to let the toy she put in his ass fall out.....oh Godddddddddddd!!! *breaths deeply*

Before days end.....the Domme in me, wants desperately to fuck a submissive!!! *moans* God, I am so fucking needy...........Master this is so hard...your girl wants to cum, very badly!!! *moans*

I will watch the rest of that......but not now.......I will edge again if I do..........without even touching........*moans loudly*

OK so I had a hard (pun intended) time sleeping last night. The last time I remember seeing was 2:43, which isn't that unusual since I have a pretty random sleeping pattern. I started getting tired around 12:30 and decided to try and sleep at around 1:30. This led to about an hour of horny trying to sleep and telling my penis to rest up for tomorrow.

Woke up just after 10. Actually had a decent sleep once I did fall asleep. I wasn't completely hard, which I usually am most mornings. So that was counter intuitive.

After having a hard time doing my edges in one session yesterday (Curse you SM for posing that long video). I thought I would be strategic and spread them out through the day. One when I wake up, one in the shower, one in the afternoon, one after supper and 2 before bed.

Well things didn't turn out so well. I turned on some porn and worked my way to my first edge. I expected it to be faster than usual but it was about normal. It was however quite difficult, about the same as my 5th from yesterday. Fair amount of pre cum already, which didn't happen until the 3rd edge yesterday.

I thought about stopping but the video was getting more intense. My second edge came quickly after that and wasn't to bad. In hindsight, I REALLY should have stopped here. I started another video while I was catching my breath and calming down. I couldn't resist touching myself some more. The video had squirting in it which is a major turn on for me.

Pretty soon I was building to my third edge this was a huge mistake it was very intense, harder than my 6th from yesterday. Tons of precum, probably the most from an edge I've ever had. It was too much, I had to cum.

I finished myself off, it wasn't actually all that great. I felt a sense of failure, I hate failing, it's my biggest fear. Only my 2nd day. Maybe I'm just not cut out for long term denial, maybe I just need more practice. I don't know what to do. Should I try 6 edges for three, should I draw again, or should I just try something else.

I was talking to Shell in chat and she said she would answer for me. Thanks for that Shell. I look forward to your decision.

7in wrote:

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OK so I had a hard (pun intended) time sleeping last night. The last time I remember seeing was 2:43, which isn't that unusual since I have a pretty random sleeping pattern. I started getting tired around 12:30 and decided to try and sleep at around 1:30. This led to about an hour of horny trying to sleep and telling my penis to rest up for tomorrow.

Woke up just after 10. Actually had a decent sleep once I did fall asleep. I wasn't completely hard, which I usually am most mornings. So that was counter intuitive.

After having a hard time doing my edges in one session yesterday (Curse you SM for posing that long video). I thought I would be strategic and spread them out through the day. One when I wake up, one in the shower, one in the afternoon, one after supper and 2 before bed.

Well things didn't turn out so well. I turned on some porn and worked my way to my first edge. I expected it to be faster than usual but it was about normal. It was however quite difficult, about the same as my 5th from yesterday. Fair amount of pre cum already, which didn't happen until the 3rd edge yesterday.

I thought about stopping but the video was getting more intense. My second edge came quickly after that and wasn't to bad. In hindsight, I REALLY should have stopped here. I started another video while I was catching my breath and calming down. I couldn't resist touching myself some more. The video had squirting in it which is a major turn on for me.

Pretty soon I was building to my third edge this was a huge mistake it was very intense, harder than my 6th from yesterday. Tons of precum, probably the most from an edge I've ever had. It was too much, I had to cum.

I finished myself off, it wasn't actually all that great. I felt a sense of failure, I hate failing, it's my biggest fear. Only my 2nd day. Maybe I'm just not cut out for long term denial, maybe I just need more practice. I don't know what to do. Should I try 6 edges for three, should I draw again, or should I just try something else.

I was talking to Shell in chat and she said she would answer for me. Thanks for that Shell. I look forward to your decision.

Okay, I have read down through this. *gentle smile*
First off....it's okay. You are working on this and it doesn't happen over night.

If you would like to place yourself under my control for a little bit.......this is what I suggest....keeping in mind, the number one rule....be safe.

If you say yes..then do the following.

I don't know what time it is there. If there is more then four hours before you go to bed, do this today, if not, wait until tomorrow and have another orgasm today.

Today or tomorrow...start edging.......do as many as you can. You will cum when you get to bed. Edge and edge and edge....feel them.....play with them.....but do not cum. If you cum before bed, no cumming, or playing for two days. In bed....if it is possible for you to do so.....cum in bed and do not clean up afterwards.....go to sleep in the stickiness.

After this..........we will regroup.

If you do not wish to do this.....then my suggestion is wait until tomorrow and draw another card and see what fate will tell you to do. *Soft smile*

Make no mistaken, the edging thing...is NOT a punishment....it is therapy for your cock. *soft smile*

I'm sorry about what happened 7in! We all know how sour it tastes to cum accidentaly. But maybe you should just try again doing your 6/3 task. And the thought that shell asked you to let her take control over you should be very heartening! You're one lucky guy, if I were you I'd definetely agree

I feel just like you, shell - maybe not as much as you, because I'm only on my day two - but I need to touch so badly! Even not thinking about cumming - I just want to grab that needy hard cock and stroke it! But I can't! Argh! If only I hadn't used up all my edges in the morning.. I'm going to go to shower now, the feeling of warm water rinsing off and caressing my ball sack and hard cock is always so inviting to play a bit down there.. but this time it's forbidden, all I can to do is clench my teeth hard and resist from touching..

I'm also really glad that you liked the video. It made me extremely horny too. There are so little videos about female denial, and this is actually the only one I know about long-term denial. You can always rely on Japanese when it comes to good cars, video equipment and fetish porn!

I've been watching porn since my shower (discovered a great site http://fapulike.com/ and playing with it now). I'm soooo horny and desperate to touch.. only one stroke would be such a HUGE relief.. I think I better go to sleep or I'll go crazy.

And why do my knees hurt during the denial? I know that it sounds damn stupid, but it just is so. Everytime I play with myself for more than several hours, my knees start to hurt. My body is strange. I think I'm an alien. (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself: http://youtu.be/mQfoNyD3b6Q )

Goodnight everyone!

7in don't think of it as a failure , it's not , it's a chance to learn
S.M. is there any other time that your knees hurt , could it be the weather?
and Shell .............you can do it

Well, I guess I'm in the game too now. So lets see how this goes. Feeling a little bit nervous. I mean, what if I draw Joker and then 10, and then another Joker, and then another 10!? It would be 20 edges for 20 days!

And even worse! What if I draw Queen of Spades and then Joker, and then 10, and another Joker, and another 10, and another Joker, and another 10, and another Joker, and another 10! It would be 40 edges for 40 days and no cumming! Of course possibility is very small. But still... OMG!
I'm scaring myself when writing this!

Well, there goes nothing...

*shuffles deck*
*gulp*
*draws*

I will follow Shell's example and put it all in spoiler.

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Ace! Pretty easy start. Not exactly what I was imagining. But it still could be in front of me!
So, I have to edge twice and then draw again.
My first edge came pretty quickly. Even if I had my last orgasm yesterday I still feel very horny. Maybe excitement about this game have made any impact on this, I don't know... All tho despite of it coming quickly it was very easy to hold back. No pre cum, no anything... yet.

Second edge wasn't so easy to get. But it was harder to hold it. I felt my cum building inside me as I approach to orgasm. When I was right on the edge a little drop dribbled out of me. I so wanted to cum! Only second edge but I'm already almost crazy for orgasm. And it's only first day! I can only try to imagine how it wold be after min 2 days of no cumming!

Ok, so I have to draw again!

*draws*

It's 10! So it's 10 edges a day!

*draws again*

Jack of Hearts! So I have to edge using my non-dominate hand, since I have no toys... All right then!

For this edge I needed even more time to get it. Usually for me it's opposite - the more I edge the faster they comes. Strangely, for some reason, this wasn't the case.
Just like before when I was coming closer to edge I felt my cum building up more and more. Nothing dribbled out this time. But I felt it is near the exit! I was breathing very heavily trying to hold back. And I did it. Only third edge and I'm already crazy for orgasm. Maybe I should have took a couple of hours pause between them, probably would have made it more easier. But I didn't, o well...

So I have to draw again. Still very close to orgasm. Kinda hoping that I will draw number card cos this edging is making me crazy!

*draws*

Queen of Hearts!

I was like... OMG!
Of course, I wasn't in mood for cumming... wait, who I'm kidding here?! I was almost desperate to cum! So I decided, since my deck wants it, it would be sin to ignore it.
A few seconds later I was already enjoying my orgasm. It was so good! Like I haven't orgasmed for months! All tho I never went that long so I don't really know how it feels... but you get the point.

Now, I wasn't done yet. I still had some cards to draw. I don't think I would be able to get till another edge so soon after my orgasm. So in case Ace, or something like that comes, I took a hour or so rest.

*screen slowly becomes back and fades away lol*
*screen slowly fades in*

Next scene!

Now, back to drawing...

*draws*

It's 5! So that means I have to edge 10 times a day for 5 days! Now I guess this is where the real troubles will start, eh? *gulp*
This will be the longest time I have went without orgasm when edging.

Haven't did my 10 edges yet for today. Gonna do them later at evening and maybe some before my bad. And then I gonna report tomorrow how things went...

SM wrote:

I feel just like you, shell - maybe not as much as you, because I'm only on my day two - but I need to touch so badly! Even not thinking about cumming - I just want to grab that needy hard cock and stroke it! But I can't! Argh! If only I hadn't used up all my edges in the morning.. I'm going to go to shower now, the feeling of warm water rinsing off and caressing my ball sack and hard cock is always so inviting to play a bit down there.. but this time it's forbidden, all I can to do is clench my teeth hard and resist from touching..

I'm also really glad that you liked the video. It made me extremely horny too. There are so little videos about female denial, and this is actually the only one I know about long-term denial. You can always rely on Japanese when it comes to good cars, video equipment and fetish porn!

It is insane how badly I want to touch. I have an hour or so before I will do my edges. My panties are soaked and my mind is consumed with sex and the sensations in my body. *moans*

I agree about there not being many video's about female denial. It really doesn't make since to me either. I would think there would be a high demand for it......perhaps I should go all Domme and DEMAND that the porn world produce some for me. *giggling*

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SM wrote:

I've been watching porn since my shower (discovered a great site http://fapulike.com/ and playing with it now). I'm soooo horny and desperate to touch.. only one stroke would be such a HUGE relief.. I think I better go to sleep or I'll go crazy.

And why do my knees hurt during the denial? I know that it sounds damn stupid, but it just is so. Everytime I play with myself for more than several hours, my knees start to hurt. My body is strange. I think I'm an alien. (I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself: http://youtu.be/mQfoNyD3b6Q )

The first link...couldn't make any sense of it.....hmmmmm.......??

As for your knee....I am with Master on this one....could it be the weather and just a coincidence?
If not, try increasing your calcium intake a little, perhaps drink a little more milk, during denial. And yes, I am really reaching here. I Googled this to see if I could find out anything and came up empty handed.
Okay, gonna ask this.....and some might think it's stupid but here goes. When you masturbate, are you on your knees to do so?
I ask, because Lady X knew a submissive that always was on his knees while in Her presence online....yep, he knelt and had a lower bench like thing that his lap top sat on. So....I was just wonderin. *Smile*

As for the last link....*laughing so hard!!!!* Oh my God.......yep....this denial stuff has made you lose your mind. *laughing still*

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dr.d wrote

and Shell .............you can do it

*bright smile* Thank you for your encouragement Master.

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omgimapotato99 wrote:

Well, I guess I'm in the game too now. So lets see how this goes. Feeling a little bit nervous. I mean, what if I draw Joker and then 10, and then another Joker, and then another 10!? It would be 20 edges for 20 days!

And even worse! What if I draw Queen of Spades and then Joker, and then 10, and another Joker, and another 10, and another Joker, and another 10, and another Joker, and another 10! It would be 40 edges for 40 days and no cumming! Of course possibility is very small. But still... OMG! :'-(
I'm scaring myself when writing this!

Well, there goes nothing...

*shuffles deck*
*gulp*
*draws*

I will follow Shell's example and put it all in spoiler.

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Ace! Pretty easy start. Not exactly what I was imagining. But it still could be in front of me!
So, I have to edge twice and then draw again.
My first edge came pretty quickly. Even if I had my last orgasm yesterday I still feel very horny. Maybe excitement about this game have made any impact on this, I don't know... All tho despite of it coming quickly it was very easy to hold back. No pre cum, no anything... yet.

Second edge wasn't so easy to get. But it was harder to hold it. I felt my cum building inside me as I approach to orgasm. When I was right on the edge a little drop dribbled out of me. I so wanted to cum! Only second edge but I'm already almost crazy for orgasm. And it's only first day! I can only try to imagine how it wold be after min 2 days of no cumming!

Ok, so I have to draw again!

*draws*

It's 10! So it's 10 edges a day!

*draws again*

Jack of Hearts! So I have to edge using my non-dominate hand, since I have no toys... All right then!

For this edge I needed even more time to get it. Usually for me it's opposite - the more I edge the faster they comes. Strangely, for some reason, this wasn't the case.
Just like before when I was coming closer to edge I felt my cum building up more and more. Nothing dribbled out this time. But I felt it is near the exit! I was breathing very heavily trying to hold back. And I did it. Only third edge and I'm already crazy for orgasm. Maybe I should have took a couple of hours pause between them, probably would have made it more easier. But I didn't, o well...

So I have to draw again. Still very close to orgasm. Kinda hoping that I will draw number card cos this edging is making me crazy!

*draws*

Queen of Hearts!

I was like... OMG!
Of course, I wasn't in mood for cumming... wait, who I'm kidding here?! I was almost desperate to cum! So I decided, since my deck wants it, it would be sin to ignore it.
A few seconds later I was already enjoying my orgasm. It was so good! Like I haven't orgasmed for months! All tho I never went that long so I don't really know how it feels... but you get the point.

Now, I wasn't done yet. I still had some cards to draw. I don't think I would be able to get till another edge so soon after my orgasm. So in case Ace, or something like that comes, I took a hour or so rest.

*screen slowly becomes back and fades away lol*
*screen slowly fades in*

Next scene!

Now, back to drawing...

*draws*

It's 5! So that means I have to edge 10 times a day for 5 days! Now I guess this is where the real troubles will start, eh? *gulp*
This will be the longest time I have went without orgasm when edging.

Haven't did my 10 edges yet for today. Gonna do them later at evening and maybe some before my bad. And then I gonna report tomorrow how things went...

First, *bright smile* I'm so glad you decided to join in the fun!!!

It is nerve racking to think of the many possibilities that could happen with the cards drawn. *giggle*

How lucky to draw an Ace right off the bat. *smile* Congrats!!

Okay, we need to talk about something. First....don't get upset with yourself for this. I sorta wondered when we might see this happen. So consider yourself as an example. *warm smile*

When you drew the 10, you were supposed to skip over any other face cards, such as Kings, Queens, Jacks...until you got to another number card.
Here is the "official" rule.

"Number Cards = If you draw a 2 through 10, draw a second card, continuing to draw past face cards, until another number card comes up.
The first number card is how many edges you must do each day. The second number card is how many days you have to edge."

So, the Jack of Hearts and the Queen of Hearts were not suppose to count. *gentle smile*

Okay, so it's in the past......and I believe you move forward as planned, with your 10 edges for 5 days. Be proud that you got to be the example and don't give it another thought. *bright smile*

And goodness.....10 edges a day....I can't even imagine!!!! I feel as if I should hug you! *giggling*

You can do this....just make sure you have lots of lube!!!! *giggle*

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Okay, I will be back after awhile with an account of my edges *Smile*

shell wrote:When you drew the 10, you were supposed to skip over any other face cards, such as Kings, Queens, Jacks...until you got to another number card.
Here is the "official" rule.

"Number Cards = If you draw a 2 through 10, draw a second card, continuing to draw past face cards, until another number card comes up.
The first number card is how many edges you must do each day. The second number card is how many days you have to edge."

O well, my English is pretty bad so I guess didn't understood that part correctly. O well, now I will know... And still, even of I did it wrong I still had fun lol.

shell wrote: The first link...couldn't make any sense of it.....hmmmmm.......??

Ok, maybe it didn't have any connection to my post, but I just found it, got fascinated about it and wanted to share :)

As for your knee....I am with Master on this one....could it be the weather and just a coincidence?
If not, try increasing your calcium intake a little, perhaps drink a little more milk, during denial. And yes, I am really reaching here. I Googled this to see if I could find out anything and came up empty handed.
Okay, gonna ask this.....and some might think it's stupid but here goes. When you masturbate, are you on your knees to do so?
I ask, because Lady X knew a submissive that always was on his knees while in Her presence online....yep, he knelt and had a lower bench like thing that his lap top sat on. So....I was just wonderin. *Smile*

Nope, I never masturbate kneeling. I'm not very into domination stuff so these things don't turn me on. My knees are not weather-sensitive too (but my head is - when the pressure grows, I'm dying..). I don't think that's a coincidence, because in happens everytime when I'm sexually turned on for longer than several hours. I don't have any knee pains besides then, but I used to have them 4-5 years ago when I was training for bicycle marathon and I would usually ride during cold autumn evenings. But after that everything disappeared, until last year, when I found out about the OD world, and started to tease and build sexual tension for long hours. What came to my mind now is that I always masturbate naked, and maybe it's because of cold. I'll try to cover my legs a bit while today's edges (still have two left, haha!) and see if my joints hurt afterwards. Having some extra calcium dose sounds like a good idea too, so that's why I'm preparing a huge mug of caffe latte right now ;) Thank you very much for advice and care *hugs*.

As for the last link....*laughing so hard!!!!* Oh my God.......yep....this denial stuff has made you lose your mind. *laughing still*

It definetely did

Well, so I've never gone this far with edging. One of the new feelings that I like is when I wake up - the first thing I feel is my horniness, the warm and nice feeling in my semi-hard cock. I'm full of energy to jump out of bed and don't feel like going back to sleep. Three edges are perfect for me - of couse I'd love to do much more, but when I edge too much the skin on my cock is very sore which takes away the pleasure. I think I'm starting to love being in that state! Ohh..

I am not sure.... maybe i should give it a try too :D

omgimapotato99 wrote: O well, my English is pretty bad so I guess didn't understood that part correctly. O well, now I will know... And still, even of I did it wrong I still had fun lol.

And that is what you are supposed to be striving towards.....FUN! *grin* But no matter how much you try...you will never be as perfected at it, as I am. *giggling*