ostermanblue2 wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 5:09 am
Here's an article that has an interesting main story, and also peripherally describes interracial porn in the context of the porn industry. I'm sure someone is anxious to fact check it, but what I found interesting about it was the description of how the economics of intentionally demeaning people for their blackness is an integral part of how this porn is produced, and what the producers expect about the porn's audience (i.e. what the appeal is supposed to be).
https://www.vice.com/en/article/594yxd/ ... urity-race
Well... I'll be honest, I take Vice about as seriously and as much of a reliable source of... anything than The Onion. They are about as ideologically driven as you can get and have been infamous for basically ragebaiting. So, that being the sole cited source for your argument really compels me to just consider them invalid, but that would be unfair, regardless of my... distaste for that rag. So, here we go. I'm making these quotes and answers as I read through the article.
Okay, so this Dogfart site (call me childish, but I can't help but giggle at that name, who the hell names their pornsite as dogfart?) shot a porn movie where consent was ignored. This is... unfortunately common. One of the main reasons I have a hard time finding "normal" porn enticing and consuming mainly hentai as fap-meterial. Pretty much every major porn producer had at least one scandal about ignoring consent. The problem here is that the need to respect sex workers consent is... not politically popular. There's a general stigma on them that, "they are whores, they should be treated as such", which means that in... polite society, so to speak, most people find it uncomfortable to talk about porn and how it is made, which makes it easier to sweep all these consent issues under the rag. Sometimes a case like this gets to courts, but a lot of times the victims have no resources to be litigious or are afraid of putting their non-porn name out in the public, and production studios abuse the hell out of this. Porn is a dirty business, in more ways than one. Racism can be a part of this, but by no means it is the main part.
It is also a vivid example of the ways in which porn has been instrumentalized as a socially acceptable space for racist white fantasies to be projected onto and enacted upon Black bodies—and the very real implications of that.]
And here we go, didn't take long for Vice to show their intellectual ass... This is one hell of a reach. Like, first of all, why are we singling out blacks here as victims? These typical cuckold videos with the white couple and a black stud portray white men as limp dicked, incompetent, weak and inferior, the white women as callous cock-hungry sluts and the black guy as strong, wild alpha male. This is overtly racist towards everyone involved. Which, considering that this is ultimately roleplay, would not be a problem for me, as long as the actor's consent is respected. It wasn't here, which is the problem. Also, they extrapolated one case where a minor production company was racist (because, let's be real, who even heard of dogfart before this case?) into porn is used as a thinly veiled cover for anti-black racism in general. On the same level of bullshit than the often quoted 1 in 4 women is raped statistic of feminist speakers, which was extrapolated from a local, if memory serves well, undergrad study with less than 100 participants and dubious methodology to a worldwide stat. If making widely generalizing and stigmatizing claim based on a single experience is accepted, then by the same logic, it's perfectly legit and non-problematic to say that all black people are thugs if I can point out a single black person who is.
In many similar videos, the camera pans over to the white partner who is often either masturbating by himself and enjoying the encounter or observing miserably—decentered, but still ultimately the dictator of the sexual gaze.
And in many videos, this does not happen, but let's just ignore those pesky facts when they get into the way of our ideological push, amiright? Also, wtf is "dictator of sexual gaze" even is?
She also objects to the fact that production companies, as opposed to performers themselves, get to create the context for sexual interaction in these scenes.
Uhm... that's how filming anything works. Unless the actor is an A-list superstar whom the production cannot afford to lose, they have no say in how the film is cut, edited, advertised, presented, etc. That's what production companies are for. And as such she is know working of porn films and with production companies she finds the best for herself. I don't see anything in here. This is just fishing for content.
“It’s easiest to think of the interracial rate practice as hazardous duty pay without any hazardous duty to the worker,” Knight wrote to me. “It’s extra pay simply because your coworker is Black.”
Oh, hey, we are halfway through the article and the first actual point emerges! While I agree that the origins of this practice is racist, I disagree with the "without any hazardous duty" part. Yes, the average penis size of black men are about the same as white men. BUT not for porn actors. Since the whole point of this genre is fetishizing BBC, the black guy performing tend to be way, WAY over the average size. To put it bluntly, you can't shoot a BBC video without BBC. Which DOES increase the risk of tearing, especially with anal, considering that these scenes tend to be... aggressive.
The entire specialty market for racist cuckolding videos exists because of hungry production companies eager to exploit any manner of consumer demand
Welcome to capitalism! If there's a demand, there's going to be someone to fulfill said demand for money. If there's no demand, someone will try to make some. Kinda cute that the author thinks that this problem is specific to porn...
As for the rest of the article, it's reaching and projecting hard. Basically it implies that the people enjoying BBC or any other form of race play are the same racist pigs who march on the streets chanting overtly racist slogens and setting shit on fire. That people enjoy these videos because they are horrible racist scum irl too. It completely disregards the possibility that for a lot of people watching these porn videos, the humiliation and submissive aspect is the key thing, the race-play is whatever. Or that fantasy and reality are completely different things. Just because someone has BBC fantasies, it doesn't mean they are racist irl. You can't control your sexual fantasies. Blaming people for them is just wrong.
As an example: a lot of submissives have rape-fantasies. If we employ Vice's logic in there, then should they get raped, it's okay, since they clearly wanted it anyway. Or on a more personal level, you can claim that sadists are evil fucks who fetishizes human suffering and torture. This view is what a sex-ed book held that I got from school sex-ed when I was 13. It completely distorted my self-image and spiraled into suicidal depression where I firmly believed that I'm a complete monster for it. So, frankly, fuck Vice and their agenda pushing reductionism.
spaisin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:46 am
Well, if I were to describe the site as "posting pictures of naked women, without their consent, while painting them as sadistic violent bitches, outright criminals, cumhungry sluts and anything in between", I think I might have an argument that might actually get to me. Sure, it is no-one's intent here, but I'm not entirely sure if an author's intent is an overriding factor when it comes to consent for sexual exploitation. "I made a cutesy photoshoot with flowers and all, does that give them the right to turn me into a domina?"
Yeah, that's why I avoid non-nude teases like the plague as far as I'm concerned. it makes me... very uncomfortable for this exact reason. Porn images is fair game, cause they were made with the intent to be fap-material. Well, theoretically fair game, because of course then we come back to the... flawed respect for consent in the porn industry...