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just a small point, @book_guy, your post - which is excellent - implies (but not states, and i'm not suggesting either way re your intent) that the EU "right to be forgotten" is for misleading (just given your example) histories/search results as presented; it is a right regardless of the reason, with (not quite clearly defined) exceptions for "public" persons (it's clear the definition is fluid as minor politicians of the past have successfully had their names "forgotten" as have convicted criminals).

servufon wrote:just a small point, @book_guy, your post - which is excellent - implies (but not states, and i'm not suggesting either way re your intent) that the EU "right to be forgotten" is for misleading (just given your example) histories/search results as presented; it is a right regardless of the reason, with (not quite clearly defined) exceptions for "public" persons (it's clear the definition is fluid as minor politicians of the past have successfully had their names "forgotten" as have convicted criminals).

Yeah, good point, and an important correction / adjustment to what I said. I am not particularly up on EU fundamental rights and constitutional guarantees, just anecdotally. I know about that violinist (pianist?) and his bad reviews on Google, that's about it. Glad you mentioned it. Would love to learn more. Can you find the principle citations about privacy rights in the EU constitutional documents?

In fact, more generally I would probably guess that ANY base-level human right, fundamental right, basic right, call it whatever right, probably ought to function on the level of needing no justification. That's kind of the premise of it being a RIGHT in the first place, isn't it?

The EU's movement into the protection of this nebulous "privacy" thing is interesting (to me, at least). First, it has merit merely because of the manner in which the EU implemented it (or tried to yet failed?). But second, and bigger (to me, at leasdt, again) it's also a new next step. As in 1865 when protection of the fundamental freedoms of all humans (a.k.a. in that context, the elimination of slavery) was actually a novel and noteworthy statement for a North American legislature to make, so too here in the early 21st Century, the fact that a governing body feels the need to say the statement, "we have punishments for failure to honor people's privacy" indicates where problems still lie. Next they'll be letting women vote ...

book_guy wrote:

servufon wrote:just a small point, @book_guy, your post - which is excellent - implies (but not states, and i'm not suggesting either way re your intent) that the EU "right to be forgotten" is for misleading (just given your example) histories/search results as presented; it is a right regardless of the reason, with (not quite clearly defined) exceptions for "public" persons (it's clear the definition is fluid as minor politicians of the past have successfully had their names "forgotten" as have convicted criminals).

Yeah, good point, and an important correction / adjustment to what I said. I am not particularly up on EU fundamental rights and constitutional guarantees, just anecdotally. I know about that violinist (pianist?) and his bad reviews on Google, that's about it. Glad you mentioned it. Would love to learn more. Can you find the principle citations about privacy rights in the EU constitutional documents?

In fact, more generally I would probably guess that ANY base-level human right, fundamental right, basic right, call it whatever right, probably ought to function on the level of needing no justification. That's kind of the premise of it being a RIGHT in the first place, isn't it?

The EU's movement into the protection of this nebulous "privacy" thing is interesting (to me, at least). First, it has merit merely because of the manner in which the EU implemented it (or tried to yet failed?). But second, and bigger (to me, at leasdt, again) it's also a new next step. As in 1865 when protection of the fundamental freedoms of all humans (a.k.a. in that context, the elimination of slavery) was actually a novel and noteworthy statement for a North American legislature to make, so too here in the early 21st Century, the fact that a governing body feels the need to say the statement, "we have punishments for failure to honor people's privacy" indicates where problems still lie. Next they'll be letting women vote ...

i do like the EU's and Germany's privileging of privacy, though the "right to be forgotten" i think runs counter to free speech in its implementation and focus on search engines over content providers

in any case, as best as i can tell i think you have to wade through http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 46:en:HTML to see the underpinning of the EU privacy rights; as with the EU constitution, which i once perused, it's a dense document as compared to the US constitution (and in effect, in my experience, no better at clarifying intention despite that density)

Just use a proxy/VPN to hide your activities on a porn site like pornhub or theporndude, if you're that worried ;)

Stoned1989 wrote:Just use a proxy/VPN to hide your activities, if you're that worried ;)

that would have no effectiveness against browser fingerprinting

servufon wrote:

Stoned1989 wrote:Just use a proxy/VPN to hide your activities, if you're that worried ;)

that would have no effectiveness against browser fingerprinting

Yeah, that's pretty much it ... the only fail-safe method for beating browser-fingerprinting is to always be so different that you aren't recognizable -- or, more accurately, your browser and computer aren't.

servufon wrote:in any case, as best as i can tell i think you have to wade through http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 46:en:HTML to see the underpinning of the EU privacy rights; as with the EU constitution, which i once perused, it's a dense document as compared to the US constitution (and in effect, in my experience, no better at clarifying intention despite that density)

Meh, too dense. I started looking at it and then got sick of it fast ...