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GoodTimes wrote:I've been meaning to comment on this one as well.

Two of the girls in that tease, specifically May and Dawn, are known to be 10 years old. Most of the others aren't aged by the creators, but they are said to be "a little bit older", still, these are clearly underage.

I've never really understood why this is so accepted around here when we set such high standards and rules for other things.

Personally, I think this is way beyond "don't view it if you don't like it", and yes, this is hardly the only tease guilty of this.

First of all, you have to be familiar with this particular cartoon to know that they are underage. Anime/hentai cartoons tend to look this way regardless of portraying young girls or mature women.

Secondly, nothing in the tease text in anyway (as far as I've seen) hints or suggests anything about underage or making that in any way the point of the tease. And therefore, the author has clearly not intended and not encouraged that line of thinking in any way.

Those two put together makes this very far from being a problem in my eyes. Something isn't underage porn just because a few users have personal associations to that.

bhlombardy wrote:It's a PARODY of a tease. It takes the content and presents it in a way that wasn't intended. Pardy content is highly subjective.

Despite the characters' original intended audience, the tease creator is NOT targetting children with the tease. The target audience is ADULTS... plain and simple.

Personally, I don't care for these types of parodies. They don't appeal to me. Perhaps it is because there are children in my life.

But I don't find anything inapporpriate about them. It would only be inappropriate if the creator was targetting children, or included children -- but that's not the case.

As Nezhul stated: If you dont like it, don't view it.

Actually - no. The tease is completely original material, it does not mimick anything, so it doesn't fall under the category of a parody.

The pictures themselves would be considered parody of the original show - they are very clearly intended to sexualize the characters. The characters that have been sexualized *are* kids. No ifs, ands, or buts. Yes, you have to be familiar with the show to know that - or willing to look into it, at least.

The base problem in my eyes is that the tease is using sexualized images of portrayed minors in an adult audience/scenario. If these were pictures of actual kids that had been photoshopped into sexualized behaviors, there would be absolutely no question as to the acceptability of the tease - it would have been immediately removed. So really, the only question, and the one I was asking in the first place was - is it considered acceptable to use "cartoon" images of kids in sexual situations? Cartoons are fantasy-art in the first place, and certainly there have been hentai images of almost every imaginable scenario - check any one of the million booru sites. And I think the answer to that probably lies in something that a few of the posters have said - the tease doesn't reference any underage content. It doesn't suggest it, or manipulate the reader into believing you're being teased by anything other than a female (in this place, in hentai form). So maybe the question should have been, are the images themselves appropriate for use on an adult site that *might* be held culpable, if the perception was that it was turning a blind eye to allowing the use of "fantasy" images of sexualized minors?

This discussion is very interesting and although I can see the points made from the other side I have to say that I think it is on very dodgy ground.

However I think even if it was just 1 person thinking this way against the rest of the site then it should still be taken down as there are no "ifs" or "buts" when it comes to this subject. It CAN be seen in a bad way and that being the case then it only takes one complaint and then its over. On this kind of thing authorities tend not to deliberate over issues of who knows and the context......

just my thoughts :)

xxjasminexx

the tease itself goes standalone of the pokemon series and script in general. The pictures used are doujishi, i.e. Fan-created material. The pictures DO intend to pose originally underaged characters in a sexual way, however they should be viewed just as a sexual media that has no relation to the original characters. My point is - there are A LOT of schoolgirls in porn. That doesn't rate as underaged porn, even that they cosplay the clearly underaged character.
When we take an imaginary character that is drawn - there is no personality and no life behind it. Basically, every new picture of that character (especially the picture made by a completely another author) is a separate media piece. Now, the pictures in question DO bear sexual theme, and they were drawn with a certain character in mind, however they stand separate from the original underaged characters of the show for kids. If you have odd feelings about schoolgirl porn - it doesn't become illegal underage porn just because it make you THINK of underaged material. If you have a problem with this tease, the pictures do not become kids-oriented or underaged-featuring just because you have certain associations. They are drawn by adults for adults, and that makes them perfectly acceptible.

Really, I don't know why so much fuss about it. The tease DOES NOT encourage underage relationship. The tease DOES NOT feature underage material. The tease MAY cause someone to think on a notes of illegal underage thing, but so practically anything may cause you think so. Especially Anime/hentai based. What now, it all becomes WRONG just because you have odd thoughts? Really...

Now one more remark. A photo or video of a real underaged person remains the material of that person however much you edit it, therefore it may be edited to the illegal extent. HOWEVER the drawn picture is always a separate piece of art, and it can't be related to any other piece of art, and no assumptions can be made using this relation. The relation between image and story associated with it in the cartoon featuring this image is also questionable.

I agree with Nezhul. Couldn't have said it better myself.

sissy jasmine wrote:However I think even if it was just 1 person thinking this way against the rest of the site then it should still be taken down as there are no "ifs" or "buts" when it comes to this subject. It CAN be seen in a bad way and that being the case then it only takes one complaint and then its over. On this kind of thing authorities tend not to deliberate over issues of who knows and the context......

I agree on the general principle of erring on the side of caution, but it CAN be taken too far... If someone rationally associates something with underage that's fair enough and grounds for reaction, but on the other hand if someone makes those associations based on personal nonsense that's another matter. Or to put it another way: You can pretty much find someone weird enough to take offense or wrong associations with EVERYTHING.

To put in in perspective: Based on that principle, all japanese porn would have to be outlawed. Why? Because I personally think pretty much every single japanese porn star looks like they are 12. Doesn't make it true, doesn't make it intended, but I often make those bad associations... Which is also a major reason why I hate and stay away from asian-themed porn all together.

Bottom line is that even in a context as this one, where being cautious is a given, you can't sound the alarm and shout "duck and cover" every single time someone is offended or has bad associations.

And thanks Nezhul - you summed it up perfectly.

Obviously, cartoon porn has every bit as much potential for portraying underage sex in general - even though not relating to real people. But that's clearly not the case here - they are all drawn with mature bodies with (cartoonishly) large breasts, asses and cameltoes... Something that doesn't give me associations to the topic being discussed here.

Ironically, mature women in school uniforms is a much stronger association to underage than this ever will be.

And finally, completely irrelevant but a digression for thought: The age of consent in Spain is 12.

And finally, completely irrelevant but a digression for thought: The age of consent in Spain is 12.

Could not hold myself but reply: 12 is a bit too much IMO, but in general I support lowering the age requirements for some activities, sexual life included. It just amazes me how daft some people should be to think that 16yo person should not even know how sex is made, can't be allowed to watch porn and should not even know how the other gender's genitalia looks like. And if parents, by chance, don't lock thet person in his room for a month upon finding some porn/condoms, and don't confiscate it - they are really BAD parents and in some places can be stripped of parental rights. Stupid, stupid, STUPID!

HOWEVER I actually at the same time think that for other activities age borders should be brought HIGHER, such things as driving, because frankly (I know by myself and I look at other people too) at the age of 18 most men have mashed potatoes insted of brains, and a lot of men are still in that period of life when they are ready to act stupid to look cool.
Of course, there always should be instruments so that the underaged person is acknowledged full adult with all rights and responsibilities, if he/she wants to, and under certain conditions.

Nezhul wrote:

And finally, completely irrelevant but a digression for thought: The age of consent in Spain is 12.

Could not hold myself but reply: 12 is a bit too much IMO

I agree completely, 12 is challenging my views as well, I just wanted to point out the fact to lend some perspective to this discussion

This map shows the ages all over the world. What the fuck Mexico? 9??

Russia - 16? Nou wai! It's 18 here. We have a law stating that you can get to count as adult at 16, but you have to proove you are worthy (don't know the details). But under-18 people are still children, therefore no official sex is allowed. And while nothing will be done if both partners are underage, then if one is 18 and the other is not - it's a pedophilia case an the first one will be sured and jailed. That's the strange and idiotic truth of it. Basically if you are 17 and start dating 16yo girl it's ok, and you may fuck all you want. But when you turn 18 you should be really carefull with sex life, because untill she's 18 - you commit crime by doing ANYTHING sexual to her, basically even when kissing her.
But it's not 16. At 16 you get your first real passport, but you are not adult in any way.

Nezhul wrote:We have a law stating that you can get to count as adult at 16, but you have to proove you are worthy (don't know the details).

That sounds like an awesome law...

You think your an adult...Prove it!

I think that has something to do with the ability to earn your own money. So if you can find a good enough work before 18 you can ask to be acknowledged as adult.

janmb wrote: First of all, you have to be familiar with this particular cartoon to know that they are underage. Anime/hentai cartoons tend to look this way regardless of portraying young girls or mature women.

I fail to see how that makes a difference since the actual drawings do look underage. That isn't changed by the fact that mature women are sometimes drawn in the exact same way.