[RELEASE] [ESTIM] Clutch

[throwawayacct]

You write that you were using restim to generate the audio files.

SuperCollider is used to generate the audio files.

There's a SynthDef in SuperCollider (\PhaseEncoder) which implements a core part of restim. Namely the part which handles the encoding of a phase from an XY signal onto a carrier. This can be used to map e.g., a funscripts X and Y axis into a signal suitable for devices which can handle tri-phase. My math is different from restims because I've chosen an approach which maps better to what SuperCollider does. But the core idea is the same and the result should be the same.

I use it a bit differently, because I'm mapping an angle (Theta) and a power (Rho) rather than an XY coordinate. In short: I'm working in polar coordinates rather than cartesian coordinates for this production. That's where a lot of the sweeping patterns are coming from.

FIrst off, these are excellent tracks, and ranks right up top with MCB as far as recent releases go. Extremely well done, both video and audio. (personally, don't apologize for latex content! the rest of the people will "get it" eventually)

I have to say - this is probably the big difference which makes this file stand out for me, over the recent restim mp3 releases from others. Other than MCB (which does have a few "meh" parts) those tend to feel mechanically repetitive to me at some point, actions which a lot of the funscript conversions share, even when tweaked like the restim conversions have done, and also exists in MCB.

The sweeps feel more... full? Transitions less "binary"? If this was a cup of coffee, I would say it has "a full body".
I didn't play either through at higher volume, so I can't speak to the difficulty in endurance, but I can say it was pleasurable throughout, even the spicy edging signals were just up to the threshold between pleasure and discomfort. Definitely going to work out different electrode placements and plugs...

[BlueM00]

I have a bipolar anal trode and I split the triphase - between balls and the - (prostate) side of the anal trode. B+ goes to the other side of the anal trode and A+ goes to the glans.

This is my go-to setup for anything tri-phase. I find tri-common on the glans too intense, perhaps because I have a much larger surface-area on the balls (Erostek ecup).

Sometimes it's better to swap R+ and R-, depends on the file.

[stangeorge2020]

I have a bipolar anal trode and I split the triphase - between balls and the - (prostate) side of the anal trode. B+ goes to the other side of the anal trode and A+ goes to the glans.

Holy hell, I didn't think I could enjoy this file any more than I already did. Just tried this electrode config, with doubts as I've only had negative experiences playing with quad-pole triphase in the past, and MAGIC!

I. Am. Emptied.

[Electro]

the interaction of anal to cock and anal to perineum that feels in some ways like the tri-phase sensation does.

So you're running this dual-channel, not tri-phase?

Whenever I overlap signals using dual-channel, I get random nasty jolts. I find I have to go either tri-phase, or have each channel distinctly separate from the other, no overlapping. If you find this file works well as dual-chan overlap, I'll give it a try.

I've run this with a stack of different configurations, some really don't work, some are meh. The suggested tri-phase config works great, but using four electrodes in a dual channel configuration wired up the way I described works the best if you want to use both electrodes of a bipolar plug but still get other distinct effects with this stim audio that you can't get with just putting left channel cock and right as bipolar plug. The key is paying attention to the exact placement of the positive and negative electrodes in this case because in this case if there would otherwise be a big spike, this is actually cancelling it out. Not paying attention and reversing one of the channels will be far less pleasant.

[Shufflehaze]

Thanks phx!
Just here for saying great work!
Mistress and Control Box was the first Estim that gets me to a Handsfree Orgasm and this one was the second !
YOU ARE AWESOME thanks for the work!

[samsonjude1776]

the interaction of anal to cock and anal to perineum that feels in some ways like the tri-phase sensation does.

So you're running this dual-channel, not tri-phase?

Whenever I overlap signals using dual-channel, I get random nasty jolts. I find I have to go either tri-phase, or have each channel distinctly separate from the other, no overlapping. If you find this file works well as dual-chan overlap, I'll give it a try.

I've run this with a stack of different configurations, some really don't work, some are meh. The suggested tri-phase config works great, but using four electrodes in a dual channel configuration wired up the way I described works the best if you want to use both electrodes of a bipolar plug but still get other distinct effects with this stim audio that you can't get with just putting left channel cock and right as bipolar plug. The key is paying attention to the exact placement of the positive and negative electrodes in this case because in this case if there would otherwise be a big spike, this is actually cancelling it out. Not paying attention and reversing one of the channels will be far less pleasant.

Sorry for the stupid question but how is polarity determined?

[Electro]

Sorry for the stupid question but how is polarity determined?

In my case, I'm calling the common wire coming off the transformer negative and the other wire positive. If that's not something obvious for your build, I'd connect the wiring, calibrate to a comfortable level for a specific timeframe of the stimfile. Then turn the volume down and swap the polarity of only one of the channels and play that same section of audio again. Likely one will feel uncomfortable because of how the stim is passing through the nerves and the other one will feel better because it's cancelling out anything that's the same polarity on both channels by opposing the polarity of that signal. Also it's giving a positive and negative to the two separate areas to stimulate those off separate channels.

Hopefully this explanation didn't make this more confusing.

[BlueM00]

Sorry for the stupid question but how is polarity determined?

Depends on the box. I had always considered polarity of any audio mono 3.5mm or 6mm socket as the center pin being + and the outer ring being -. But the ET312B is the opposite. So one has to read the manual.

Likewise with wires, use a multi-meter to find out which is which. "Normally" red goes to the tip and black to the ring, but there's no guarantee.

And IMO it's not a stupid question, but a really good one. It can make all the difference between "more please" and "WTF is all the hype about estim?"

[slut4bdsm]

It looked like there were tools and scripts to generate the Clutch estim.
Is there a way to do the Spicy version? I'd be interested in seeing if there's a way to make the spicyness more obvious on the 2B.

[phx]

It looked like there were tools and scripts to generate the Clutch estim.
Is there a way to do the Spicy version? I'd be interested in seeing if there's a way to make the spicyness more obvious on the 2B.

There's not. The 2B reacts slowly to an amplitude change because it averages the amplitude over multiple samples. It's sampling about 64 of those or so per second, but are averaging something like 8 to make the changes smoother. This signal changes much too quickly for this to work out.

Furthermore, the 2B only reacts to amplitude changes. There's far more stuff going on in the signal than that.

[slut4bdsm]

It looked like there were tools and scripts to generate the Clutch estim.
Is there a way to do the Spicy version? I'd be interested in seeing if there's a way to make the spicyness more obvious on the 2B.

There's not. The 2B reacts slowly to an amplitude change because it averages the amplitude over multiple samples. It's sampling about 64 of those or so per second, but are averaging something like 8 to make the changes smoother. This signal changes much too quickly for this to work out.

Furthermore, the 2B only reacts to amplitude changes. There's far more stuff going on in the signal than that.

That makes sense. My thought was to tweak the generation to make the spicy signals hold for a longer period for the 2B.

[JackD-7]

Thank you very much for this release, really beautiful movie, top graphics and made with taste. It's gonna be my goat ! unfortunately i am a 2b user and, i have tried the mild mp3, so i think it deserves a tailor made mp3 for this box, so if someone has the knoledge to create one i would be the happiest man
Thanks again for your work and talent!

[Stefanal]

Played it today and really liked it. However, i hope someone here can give me some advice. I have this problem with every estim track that recommends to put the common on the balls. I always do this by putting a (longer) sticky pad on my balls. When i turn up the signal the double current on this sticky pad makes it sting which is not enjoyable. I fix this by lowering one channel (the anal one). This means that i won't feel much on the prostate. I do not like conductive loops around the balls. Should i maybe try another configuration? Or maybe something less conductive on the balls.

[BlueM00]

I have this problem with every estim track that recommends to put the common on the balls. I always do this by putting a (longer) sticky pad on my balls. When i turn up the signal the double current on this sticky pad makes it sting which is not enjoyable.

The electrode surface-area is too small. It could be that the pad is not sticking properly, e.g. you may need to shave the area to prevent hot-spots. Or you need a bigger electrode (e.g. 2 pads wired together). I find pads in that area very unreliable, as the skin moves around and the pads lose their stick. I use the Erostek ECup; problem solved.

[Electro]

Played it today and really liked it. However, i hope someone here can give me some advice. I have this problem with every estim track that recommends to put the common on the balls. I always do this by putting a (longer) sticky pad on my balls. When i turn up the signal the double current on this sticky pad makes it sting which is not enjoyable. I fix this by lowering one channel (the anal one). This means that i won't feel much on the prostate. I do not like conductive loops around the balls. Should i maybe try another configuration? Or maybe something less conductive on the balls.

When people say balls, I usually think they mean near the balls and not on them. People never seem to be specific when they mention electrode placement and they assume other people think the same way they do because it's what they are used to doing.

A better place for the common electrode is either on the bottom of the shaft when you are looking at it from above, forward of the balls. If not there, on the perineum near the balls but not touching them.
If using conductive loops to stim the middle position as common, it's better to insulate the top half and stim the bottom of the shaft forward of the balls enough so that way you aren't going to contact the balls.