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Hey Guys,

As a way to help grow the genre and encourage new creators I'd like to make available some of my vegas project files.

If this is something you'd be interested in using I've uploaded a couple you can download here:
https://www.patreon.com/WatchItDry

I wasn't exactly sure what should be included in these projects to make them easiest to use. So if this is something you'd might use please check them out and let me know what you'd like added. Also these feature the Decadence Island CHRPG beat meter which was made to integrate into the game with all the colors. I wasn't sure if I should change this to a more traditional beat meter or not. If so please let me know.

As part of our Cock Hero RPG series we already have over 100 songs done. Which I will start to clean up and upload once I get a better idea of what should be included. And maybe even some new ones.

These will be uploaded for free as a way to help encourage new creators and help them get started. But any and all support is always appreciated.

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Oh it's YOU again.

I'm the author of the BPM tool for After Effects, which took significantly more to develop than a bunch of templates does. Plus made a video tutorial on how to use it.

I did it all for FREE.

Can't wait for those direct download links here on milovana. Can be attachments too.
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Easy now. I hope everyone doesn't start jumping down WatchItDry's throat like they did last time (in a deleted thread) just because he chooses to monetize his CH's. I believe he stated that he purchased a license to monetize the content he uses. If that's true, then it's perfectly legal to do so. If we can't provide evidence to the contrary, then it is irrational to behave hostile towards him because of that.

@WatchItDry I can't for the life of me remember where I read that, so could you please provide some evidence or clarity regarding licensing of the content you're using?

I also understand that many here may not like the fact that he does this, but I'm personally indifferent to it as long as it's done legitimately. Generally, if there's a free version available that is stable and reliable, then I tend to prefer that over proprietary offerings.

As for the templates, I believe they are freely accessible.
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pl3b wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:52 pm Oh it's YOU again.

I'm the author of the BPM tool for After Effects, which took significantly more to develop than a bunch of templates does. Plus made a video tutorial on how to use it.

I did it all for FREE.

Can't wait for those direct download links here on milovana. Can be attachments too.
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pl3b wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:52 pm I'm the author of the BPM tool for After Effects
Very cool! It's actually not my intention to take away from any one here. After Effects is actually pretty advanced and $$.

I was actually more concerned about the actual creators. Since I remember when I first started creating I would of loved a project file to work with. Which I don't think I've seen anyone share before. Which is completely understandable given the amount of time that goes into them.

Thankfully to the supporters of Decadence Island CHRPG I have been able to create new rounds regularly. Giving me a pretty decent size collection of songs with beat meters all ready to use. And I just thought that it'd be fun to share for those who might just want to create a quick ch round with their fav of the day. Or maybe even get inspired to take the next step and produce their own beats and beat meters. Who knows?

And yes I put the links on a patreon page. I am a full time artist so that is just part of the job. If I get a cup of coffee out of it great or if people just watch my youtube videos while they download stuff that helps too.

high_octane wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:24 pm @WatchItDry I can't for the life of me remember where I read that, so could you please provide some evidence or clarity regarding licensing of the content you're using?
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This was discussed on a previous thread which has since been deleted. But I have been developing DI-CHRPG now for around 2 years or so. I know there has since been others trying to monetize their stuff. To easily tell if they are doing it legitimately all you have to do is scroll all the way to the bottom of their page. And you will find links. They look and say pretty much the same thing on every major porn site. This is a requirement of every credit card processor. Or if they ask you to pay on a separate site. This will also indicate something is not quite right. There's so much involved if you'd like even more info there's a forum which you can find on goggle which will have threads dedicated to each step in the process.
high_octane wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:24 pm As for the templates, I believe they are freely accessible.
Yes they are all freely accessible. I'm just waiting to see if there's anything missing that people might want added before uploading more
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WatchItDry wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:25 am Very cool! It's actually not my intention to take away from any one here. After Effects is actually pretty advanced and $$.
You missed my point here. You "drawing attention away" from whatever I've made is absolutely not my concern. My stuff is good enough to defend itself on its own. Those who used it probably appreciates it. If someone doesn't like it, that's fine by me too. Whatever helps the community grow and more videos to be created and released.
WatchItDry wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:25 am And yes I put the links on a patreon page. I am a full time artist so that is just part of the job. If I get a cup of coffee out of it great or if people just watch my youtube videos while they download stuff that helps too.

Yes they are all freely accessible. I'm just waiting to see if there's anything missing that people might want added before uploading more
And that's what I have a problem with - you've put the links on patreon. Not here. On patreon. If you've released all, and I repeat ALL of your work here and then put a patreon link at the bottom making a donation completely voluntary, I'd probably more than happy to support you myself. Good for you - you've put in the work, shared it and shown true will to help the community.

However, what absolutely infuriates me is when someone starts posting content behind the patreon/whatever paywall. Two reasons why:

1. The creator community is already very small. Maybe the audience is somewhat largeer, but when it comes to active creators, there's really only a dozen of us. This plus the learning curve being very steep, plus the never ending legal concerns regarding copyright scares a ton of those who initially come here with passion to create something in their taste. You might say that your templates may help those who don't have experience in video editing. That's correct, if they didn't have to pay for it. Those few who come here and wish to start creating videos but have no editing experience will likely start browsing this forum for guides, tutorials, templates etc. If they stumble upon your thread and the only thing they see a patreon link and them being basically forced to pay to even get going, they're just going to throw all this, go elsewhere and do something else. Those very few who could become actual creators.

2. I'm fully against putting any kind of advertisements on this website - for similar reason as above. I simply don't see this website has a place for this, period. The content is already niche, so even if only every 5th thread here is one advertising paid content, it's going to be seen by most interested in the content. Those new to it will simply get scared that "this is the kind of stuff you have to pay for". If you released all of your content for free and made the donations completely voluntary, then I'd hands down root for your success.

Regarding the "I am a full time artist so that is just part of the job" point - nobody here hired you to do this. You're acting as if someone forced you to release it and now you demand money. Do I think it's okay to ask for some kind of revenue for your creative work - absolutely yes. But for such niche content with creator community so small - only voluntarily, with all content being available free of charge.

Similarily, I'm a software developer myself. Could I demand money for my work? Damn well I could. Most of the good AE plugins I know are paid. Would it be okay to do so having the points above in mind? Absolutely not. Having said that, I did - just like you - willingly invest my free time and energy into creating something for a quite specific community. Could I earn more money in that time? Absolututely yes. But if you're after money, you should be well aware that this is not the direction to go. Want to earn money - find a client, write down a contract and create something for him. If you're half as good as you make it sound, you should earn plenty. If you instead decide to come here with the content you've willingly chosen, then you just picked one that shouldn't - at least in my eyes - be ever monetized. Or at least not as current stage of its existence. At this point, this is a hobby and passion, not something you earn money on. Let's not mix the two.

To end the post with what I expect from you - change your approach and release all of your content now here on milovana and put a completely voluntary patreon link at the bottom. That or simply get out of this website - I don't see this as an advertising forum.
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pl3b wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:16 am
WatchItDry wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:25 am Very cool! It's actually not my intention to take away from any one here. After Effects is actually pretty advanced and $$.
Regarding the "I am a full time artist so that is just part of the job" point - nobody here hired you to do this. You're acting as if someone forced you to release it and now you demand money. Do I think it's okay to ask for some kind of revenue for your creative work - absolutely yes. But for such niche content with creator community so small - only voluntarily, with all content being available free of charge.

Similarily, I'm a software developer myself. Could I demand money for my work? Damn well I could. Most of the good AE plugins I know are paid. Would it be okay to do so having the points above in mind? Absolutely not. Having said that, I did - just like you - willingly invest my free time and energy into creating something for a quite specific community. Could I earn more money in that time? Absolututely yes. But if you're after money, you should be well aware that this is not the direction to go. Want to earn money - find a client, write down a contract and create something for him. If you're half as good as you make it sound, you should earn plenty. If you instead decide to come here with the content you've willingly chosen, then you just picked one that shouldn't - at least in my eyes - be ever monetized. Or at least not as current stage of its existence. At this point, this is a hobby and passion, not something you earn money on. Let's not mix the two.

To end the post with what I expect from you - change your approach and release all of your content now here on milovana and put a completely voluntary patreon link at the bottom. That or simply get out of this website - I don't see this as an advertising forum.
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pl3b wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:16 am However, what absolutely infuriates me is when someone starts posting content behind the patreon/whatever paywall.
His templates are not behind a pay wall. I repeat, his templates are not behind a pay wall. I did my own investigation, clicked on the link myself, and found direct links to RAR archives containing them. He even stated this in his own post:
WatchItDry wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:20 pm These will be uploaded for free as a way to help encourage new creators and help them get started. But any and all support is always appreciated.
@WatchItDry You might as well just post those templates here otherwise people will think that the only way to obtain your templates is to pay for them, get pissed off at you because of it, and make posts like the one I'm currently responding to.

WatchItDry has, thus far, been very polite and respectful in his responses, and I feel that he only deserves the same in return. Every post he's made here has been freely available content, sometimes exclusively for the Milovana community. You can choose to ignore his website entirely if you wish.
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I haven't inspected your work in a while because I felt that the cost was too much to justify the experience based on the demos I saw a while ago. Why pay for something that is, in my opinion, less entertaining than a traditional video released for free? I am basically broke.

I understand the desire to sell content that you created. I see no legal issues with this because you are making the porn yourself (although I seem to remember mainstream porn being a part of the decadence island series).

I really do think the future of porn is computer generated imagery (similar to deepfakes) whether it takes a more cartoonish form or not is up to the user. As a game developer, it makes perfect sense that you would sell a game that you made. Whatever. As an artist, if you spent the time generating the images, you should be able to sell them if you can find a market.

If you create a game, or porn, or some software that helps us, and you want to try to sell it, go ahead. I will pay if I decide it's worth it.

However, Cock Hero videos should not be directly monetized, especially if the content within is pirated. Cock Hero is ours, it does not belong to one individual.

If these templates are not monetized, then you are contributing to our cause. Thanks.
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Just to throw liquid on the fire (water or oil, your choice), I clicked a link in the original post, got transfered to a Patreon page, did not immediately see anything downloadable, lost total interest, closed the browser.
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doremi wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:23 pm Just to throw liquid on the fire (water or oil, your choice), I clicked a link in the original post, got transfered to a Patreon page, did not immediately see anything downloadable, lost total interest, closed the browser.
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You need to scroll down a little bit. Here's an image as proof:
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The RAR archives are the templates.
The RAR archives are the templates.
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fragrantEmulsion wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:17 pm However, Cock Hero videos should not be directly monetized, especially if the content within is pirated. Cock Hero is ours, it does not belong to one individual.
Cock Hero should be interpreted as a genre within public domain. Using video games for instance, no one entity is allowed to claim all "2D Side Scrollers" or "First Person Shooters" as their intellectual property, because those are basic building blocks or ideas to produce a certain style of video game with. They are merely seen as a genre of gameplay and, as such, are protected under public domain. The individual work produced under the guidelines of a genre is considered intellectual property, granted that the work itself contains original content.

Thus, Cock Hero productions can be monetized only if the following criterion is met:
  • All footage, music, and assets contained within the work is either solely the property of the creator or the creator has obtained a license to sell and/or modify the content they're using from their respective rightsholders.
If the criterion isn't met, then it must not be monetized.
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It's fine I understand that everyone will always have their own opinion. I just happen to view things differently.

I remember when I first came across the genre I was like in between projects and not sure why but I remember searching for porn and music. Something to do with animation or maybe just wanted something to play in the background. Anyway I somehow eventually stumbled on a Cock Hero. Which initially I didn't even get and just scrolled through it a bit and moved on.

But it's weird like the beat completely invaded my life. I would hear it in almost every song. Until finally I heard it enough that I had to return and see exactly what these Cock Hero's were all about. And I seen a few here and there and started to get a general understanding. But there was nothing really special or unique about them. Until I came across Zoltan's Revolution 2. I know most art critics would immediately disqualify this production because of the inclusion of obscene material but if they found a way to look past the porn it could easily be classified as a work of art and a good one.

And from that point on I just began to view these productions as so much more than just porn compilations. Especially the older productions AndyP's Ultimate is another really good one. But really any of the older releases if you can find a way to enjoy the lower older quality of scenes used they are all top notch.

So this is why when I see newer productions from lets say PrimeSwitch who adds a lot of voice overs, My first thought is how cool would it be if he had an actual budget to work with. And was able to say get the actual stars themselves to do the voice overs. And that's just an easy example, I'm sure any creator could provide countless ways that a budget would improve their work. Especially those older creators whose passion behind the project you can actually feel and experience.
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Mr123 wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:11 pm
pl3b wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:16 am
WatchItDry wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:25 am Very cool! It's actually not my intention to take away from any one here. After Effects is actually pretty advanced and $$.
Regarding the "I am a full time artist so that is just part of the job" point - nobody here hired you to do this. You're acting as if someone forced you to release it and now you demand money. Do I think it's okay to ask for some kind of revenue for your creative work - absolutely yes. But for such niche content with creator community so small - only voluntarily, with all content being available free of charge.

Similarily, I'm a software developer myself. Could I demand money for my work? Damn well I could. Most of the good AE plugins I know are paid. Would it be okay to do so having the points above in mind? Absolutely not. Having said that, I did - just like you - willingly invest my free time and energy into creating something for a quite specific community. Could I earn more money in that time? Absolututely yes. But if you're after money, you should be well aware that this is not the direction to go. Want to earn money - find a client, write down a contract and create something for him. If you're half as good as you make it sound, you should earn plenty. If you instead decide to come here with the content you've willingly chosen, then you just picked one that shouldn't - at least in my eyes - be ever monetized. Or at least not as current stage of its existence. At this point, this is a hobby and passion, not something you earn money on. Let's not mix the two.

To end the post with what I expect from you - change your approach and release all of your content now here on milovana and put a completely voluntary patreon link at the bottom. That or simply get out of this website - I don't see this as an advertising forum.
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pl3b, I strongly agree with the views you expressed in your post; however, high_octane is correct - the rar files are not behind a paywall and can be downloaded freely.

If a user wants to align with the general consensus and opinions that have been expressed on the forum - great. That being said, pl3b's post is dead accurate.
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I have been supporting Watchitdry's work, on his pay site, and I feel like the game based content he creates and releases monthly to bi-monthly is worth the subscription fee. That's my opinion, but he's doing more than just making videos set to music. He's creating porn games that feature Cock Hero videos, of his own creation, as the reward.

Other creators of Cock Hero videos have promoted supporting the porn industry by asking us to subscribe to the sites they source their material from. I would prefer to support a Cock Hero creator directly, especially where the content is more than just a video. My opinion on the matter, take it or leave it.

Furthermore, I wish I had the skills and talent necessary to make Cock Hero videos, perhaps someday I'll come up with the right combination of editing programs, templates and beat meter generator's to make it possible.
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TLDR

I assume the content is "Hi I'm Watch-It-Dry and I think you should pay me money."

To which I hope, a few responsible Milovana members responded something like "Fuck off asshole" or "Well aren't you a toad weasel." If not I'd be disappointed.
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