[RELEASE] Cock Hero Tillandsia Royale

[reddestiny]

need BM...

[yshomatsu]

So glad to see you didn't give up after so many said your video was unplayable because of the beats! The editing on all 3 are great, story was great. The only thing I can say was the dialog went way to fast. Everything else was perfect, keep up the awesome work and I hope you continue to make videos for us!!

[Tittyluvr1334]

Thanks for the work but i'm not convince. It's really a "minimalist" cock hero. You should not forget than you make a game and a game should always be confortable to play it. No beat bar, no beat sound. You make 3H30 hours of video in this. Why didn't you just make a 30 min or 45 min video instead and taking more time to create beat bar OR beat sound ? You could even create a R.Y.G system (it's more easy to do than beat bar if it's too hard for you).

Anyway, i hope than this will help you. Not a lot of creators thoses days... be brave !

not sure how much help that will be. Sounds less like constructive criticism and more like judgmental criticism. It's hard to see past that to the helpful part.

[m4dm4x]

Thanks for the work but i'm not convince. It's really a "minimalist" cock hero. You should not forget than you make a game and a game should always be confortable to play it. No beat bar, no beat sound. You make 3H30 hours of video in this. Why didn't you just make a 30 min or 45 min video instead and taking more time to create beat bar OR beat sound ? You could even create a R.Y.G system (it's more easy to do than beat bar if it's too hard for you).

Anyway, i hope than this will help you. Not a lot of creators thoses days... be brave !

not sure how much help that will be. Sounds less like constructive criticism and more like judgmental criticism. It's hard to see past that to the helpful part.

Thanks, I think I agree with Tittyluvr1334 here, but I'll just explain my views on the matter since it came up.

When I first posted the Casino and Battle videos, I got a lot of good feedback and pointers on how to make my videos better, and I've tried to implement that. One thing that came up was the beats, and I got the impression that to some extent they were redundant since the beats of the music are generally simple (the way I like it). Of course it is impossible to please everyone, so I basically made the whole series based on what *I* want from a CH video.
With that said, I too felt that the added audible beats didn't add that much to my experience playing the game, and I personally find visible beatmeters distracting, especially if there's on screen text to read. So both elements of the traditional CH video was excluded. Still, I didn't see this as an issue, and therefore didn't bother spending my precious time learning an aspect I didn't like, and didn't see the need for with simple beat patterns (1-1). However, in my initial post I opened up for anyone that wants to, to feel free to add beats/bars themselves.
Finally, the reason the videos turned out pretty long is simply because I enjoyed building a story and add more content that I personally enjoyed, and before I knew it I had 10+ rounds for every video.

Either way, thanks for your interest in my videos. I'm sharing them to give back to the community although I made them for my own taste.

Cheers!

[m4dm4x]

So glad to see you didn't give up after so many said your video was unplayable because of the beats! The editing on all 3 are great, story was great. The only thing I can say was the dialog went way to fast. Everything else was perfect, keep up the awesome work and I hope you continue to make videos for us!!

Thanks, for your nice feedback, mate! I appreciate it!
And glad you liked it.

I will keep your feedback on the text in mind for my current project.

Cheers!

[Sombre]

If you don't like reading advice from the community, don't publish game. ;)

I will explain it to you simply :

- It's more easy for the brain to follow a beat sound.
- If someone write "1 - 123 - 1" on a video, are you able to find the pace ?
- Will you find confortable to play 3H of a game where everytime something change you need to look more at your gamepad than at your screen ? Will you continue to play without quit for doing something else because playing became painfull ?

Yeah, visible beatmeter are distracting, like looking all the time at your gamepad in a game. That's why some people find way to manage this by showing the beat for some series before hiding it.

- Look at Cock Hero Audition serie ! Pseudonym make a great job on this.
- Look at Fucking this sound or CH No mercy : The creators made a flashing beatmeter
- Look at RYG project like RedGreenEdging from Ms.Julie
- Look at Earn your release (No beatmeter on this one, only Beats! And it's working very well !) and a wheel with color who show you what you need to do, you don't even need to look at it, you see it in your peripherical vision.

Anyway, i still believe than sometimes, it's better to make short video who take less time and taking this freetime to work on the gameplay.

It's not a question to please everyone, it's a question of making something playable.

And, if you are thoses types of people who are offended by everything. I can't do nothing for you.

[spaisin]

I downloaded this one from ph, but I haven't watched it yet. I'll probably enjoy it later, but I wanted to chime in on that "no beats" discussion. Maybe to alleviate possible tensions, because somehow this topic always ends up insulting creators. Language barriers and stuff, I suppose.

The whole discussion is pretty much a semantic one; "what is a true Cock Hero vid?"

While most people don't even want to bother with semantics, I think the term "cock hero" is unique enough to try to preserve. Now, this is all of course just my opinion, but it's formed over watching the genre grow and reading a few of these discussions.

Essentially a CH is the strict gamification of porn. The game offers a challenge to the player in the form of strict set of stroking patterns. For that, "slow", "medium", "fast" is too subjective - everyone would be playing a different game. At a minimum, exact 'beats per minute' might be "sufficient", but that would be a pretty poor experience without an actual indicator for the speeds. This is where the request for "audible beats or beat meter" comes in, those are the only strict ways of setting the pace.

Of course a major feature - in my view also "essential" - is lining the game up to music; it's a derivative of the Guitar Hero games. That is the part where creating a good one goes from difficult to stupidly specialized, the best ones are probably done by DJs blending rounds together seamlessly.

Without proper gamification, up to including "Red light, Green light" -types, I would call a video either a JOI or you know, a porn story. A tease.
Without music, but with strict stroke instructions, maybe a stroking challenge (like the acceleration challenges from a few years back (iirc))
A "Cock Hero" would in my opinion require both.

The "title" CH doesn't earn any points as such, it's not in any way "better" than other types of porn games, PMVs, or stories. It's just its own category.

Now, I don't pretend that my opinion should matter, I'm just offering this as an exploration into why people end up being pedantic about it. It's "specific" enough to care about.

As I said, I haven't watched yours yet, so I don't know yet if I would call it a CH; but I hope I'll enjoy it anyway

[Sombre]

Yes. This is what i try to explain. It's easy to stick together porn video and pretend to make a cock hero video (I should say game, after all, it's not a video, it's a game). I can do it in one hour on adobe premiere. Even with some text overlay to show people what to do.

That's why i recommend to make video less longer and take more time on the "technical" part of the project (beat sound, beat meter, flashing beat, RYG or what ever you decide to choose !)

Like Spaisin said, there is different "level" of video. Matching the pace perfectly to the music is not the must to have. You can have some tag beat who stick to the pace of the music and make your own rythm on this.

Spaisin have made this list of levels perfectly.

I'm not really interest by thoses guys who say always "It's awesome" just for making the creator happy. When i find something unplayable, i prefer to say it.

[m4dm4x]

Woah! That escalated quickly.
It was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings over this, and I was unaware of the fact that this topic has been a previous argument.

I respect your opinions on the topic and the feedback on the video, so don't get me wrong, but if this is mostly a matter of semantics and preserving a certain amount of elements within to call it a Cock Hero, then I would be happy to just change the categorical name.

To be blunt, I very much enjoyed making the video, and I don't find it unplayable so I don't really care what it's called.

If you don't like reading advice from the community, don't publish game. ;)

And, if you are thoses types of people who are offended by everything. I can't do nothing for you.

That's not how feedback works. You're very much entitled to your opinion, just as I can chose to ignore it. In this case we just don't agree, which is fine in my book.

[yshomatsu]

I'm one of those that don't really care about the beats. To each their own. They're all CH videos to one degree or another. I prefer the story driven ones, others might not. The best part about this community is that there is almost always someone making content you like. If you don't like, either move on to the next, or comment your dislike in a polite manner and then move on.

If you're heart set on getting beats the way you want, offer to help a creator that doesn't quite get how it all works. If I ever made a video I know I would need help with that aspect of it as well.

Anywho, looking forward to your next video M4dm4x!

[m4dm4x]

I'm one of those that don't really care about the beats. To each their own. They're all CH videos to one degree or another. I prefer the story driven ones, others might not. The best part about this community is that there is almost always someone making content you like. If you don't like, either move on to the next, or comment your dislike in a polite manner and then move on.

If you're heart set on getting beats the way you want, offer to help a creator that doesn't quite get how it all works. If I ever made a video I know I would need help with that aspect of it as well.

Anywho, looking forward to your next video M4dm4x!

Thanks for your input, mate!
My next video will be different, but I've gotten the hang of generating basic beats now, so it will feature audible beats for everyone who thought that was lacking in the Royale trilogy.

Cheers!

[fagustree]

I can't download Tillandsia Royale (Sidetracked). I've tried 4 times now. It uses up all my mega download quota for the day, then promptly crashes before it resets and I can't resume the download.

Is anyone able to make a torrent to share?

[fagustree]

giving this a shot:

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[fagustree]

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[fagustree]

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