Philosophical Thoughts: Ruined Orgasms

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Philosophical Thoughts: Ruined Orgasms

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Here's something to think about during the weekend (or not), and perhaps put to the test for further analysis. :lol:

It seems to me that a ruined orgasm is the ultimate punishment in the Cock Hero and BDSM worlds. I think that it is much overrated as a punishment. But first, here's the top definition from the Urban Dictionary:
The kind of orgasm a guy has when his hands are tied out of the way and his penis is stimulated just until he can't stop anymore, and then let go. Neat to watch because of the way it bounces with each spurt. Embarrassing for the guy, especially if several girls are watching, and not real satisfying.
We held him down and made him have a ruined orgasm.
So, up to the orgasm, PHASE 1, the penis has to be simulated and this brings lots of pleasure. During the orgasm, PHASE 2, no more penis simulation. However, the release action still brings some pleasure. Since PHASE 2 is so much shorter than PHASE 1, does it really make that much of a difference when the penis is not stimulated to categorise this as a punishment? I'm not so sure about that.

What would be a punishment to me would be to introduce pain to distract the brain like electric shocks or other BDSM torture devices, or the worst of all, keep stroking the cock vigorously during PHASE 3, i.e., after the orgasm. Ouch! :shutup2:

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Re: Philosophical Thoughts: Ruined Orgasms

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I agree. Barely a punishment at all.

First off, it seems very difficult to achieve properly. Most 'ruined orgasm' in videos are simply a full orgasm without stimulation at the time of orgasm. IMO a 'true' ruined orgasm doesn't involve 'orgasm' at all, but is a type of ejaculation where the man's cum oozes out of his cock with very little sense of relief and no orgasm. This is very difficult to achieve consistently.

Second, while this is probably pretty frustrating at the time and the man still feels very horny, there does seems to be some relief and horniness levels are lower. Sexual interest is lower.

So while its definitely not as rewarding as a full orgasm, and definitely sexually frustrating, it is less frustrating than simply continuing the denial period.

But that doesn't mean they aren't fun when they happen properly. Great fun actually. So if someone has figured out a foolproof way to have a true ruined orgasm then please share! The closest thing to a sure fire way would be prostate milking I suppose.
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I don't think they are a typical way of punishment in the BDSM-Scene. In BDSM pain and humiliation are common as punishment. Ruined orgasms are a thing in the tease and denail scene, which is different and only overlaps. But I think only because the idea sounds great.
I consider it a ruined orgasm if the orgasm really starts, but than further contractions of the penis are supressed by will. This cannot be achieved externaly, pain just makes the orgasm more intensive, at least for me. Some teases tell you to hit yourself in the balls to stop the orgasm, this does not work at all, at least not, if that is something that turns you on in the first place...
If I stop it myself it is quite frustrating but it still is a releave and it takes a few minutes to recover but the hornyness afterwards can be quite intens. It is not really a punishment, but a quie exhausting excercise.

There is also what polkadotwolf describes: releasing cum with no orgasm at all. I do not consider that a punishment as well. To get there I need a lot of edging and extended denial (at least a few days). I can often tell, when it will happen, and it happens quite predictably. But I can not make it happen, I guess it needs a large ammount of cum in my balls.
I would not consider this a ruined orgasm, it is just no orgasm at all. It gives some release of pressure from the balls (if the balls hurt a lot from denial, this can release the pain) and it somehow increases my hornyness. At least I can edge much better afterwarts. Usually, before it happens, I can not feel edges clearly anymore. Afterwarts I can edge hard and excessively.
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Re: Philosophical Thoughts: Ruined Orgasms

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Marno wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:43 pm You need to read the post by rebekeplex.
Interesting, Marno! I figured that there would be other threads, but they were buried way deep. I'll add it to the first post for further reference. Btw, I experienced the nogasm without even knowing what it was. I didn't find it frustrating at all. My state of mind was more: "Cool! I can still go on".
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Marno wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:43 pm I would like to have two separate names for these. The former would be a "ruined orgasm", while the latter would be — I don't know — a "nogasm"?
I think i have read somewhere the term "Abandoned orgasm" for the latter kind, i think it is fitting

edit: haha i just stumpled over it again without even looking for it :lol:

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I don't know. I would call it orgasm-free ejaculation. Because that's what it is. Releasing cum and having an orgasm are two seperate functions of the body, they are just both triggered by sexual stimulation and usually happen synchronized. If you strech the stimulation long enoug without reaching orgasm, the cum flows just out.
I sometimes can hold an edge right through it, cum just flows out. And I do not mean a little pre-cum or a few drops, its a full load. It can even happen a two or three times, but the cum is very thin/watery after the first time.
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Erotic Hypnosis often (generally speaking) induces orgasmic feelings without ejaculation, and that's roughly the opposite of this "abandoned orgasm" you're talking about. Outside of EH, in normal stimulation mode, my experiences with "ruined orgasm" action are, that it's actually pretty much an orgasm, personally speaking. I know that there's nothing TOUCHING my dick at the time that I'm ejaculating, but I frankly don't really mind that fact, since the act of ejaculation itself is pleasurable and causes sensations that there's plenty going on down there. A more real ruination would be from working like hell for hours on end to finally get right up to the edge of orgasm and then be DENIED in such a manner that (1) neither ejaculation nor orgasm is experienced but (2) the refractory phase is entered. Now that's a really ruined ruined orgasm.
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Here is how I do it, I actually jerk off to the edge over and over, and each time I edge I relax for about a minute. I repeat this over and over to the point where I finally cum while I'm relaxing. I'm not touching my cock while I'm relaxing...and it really does give an extremely painful feeling to my balls. My cock starts twitching and cum oozes out like a water hose when you barely turn it on and point it upwards in the air. My cum it starts dripping down the shaft and over my balls and falls on the chair and leaves a good sized puddle under my balls. I do this with a fleshlght...it's a very intense feeling.
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kerkersklave wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:02 pm I would call it orgasm-free ejaculation. Because that's what it is. Releasing cum and having an orgasm are two seperate functions of the body, they are just both triggered by sexual stimulation and usually happen synchronized.
I agree with that. And I have seen some YT channels offering paid skype sessions to teach males how to separate orgasm from ejaculation, letting your sexual energy flow through the entire body and so on. I also tried to find some free-of-charge video guides about it, but I only ended up with link to buy DVDs or paying for skype sessions. Those things are related to Tantra somehow, but I have no experience with that at all.

And though you are right that "orgasm-free ejaculation" is the right term to call it, I'm not sure if I like it :-D
polkadotwolf wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:19 am So if someone has figured out a foolproof way to have a true ruined orgasm then please share!
As mentioned, try to read through the other post. Everything should be explained there. And most importantly it's trial and error type of thing, so don't be affraid to fail, though it might be frustrating to throw away few days of denial for nothing.
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doremi wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:40 am ... or the worst of all, keep stroking the cock vigorously during PHASE 3, i.e., after the orgasm.
I've seen this done really well in a webtease, https://milovana.com/webteases/showflash.php?id=34411 which I quite enjoyed. Unfortunately that's the only really good post-orgasm punishment-based tease I've found, and I haven't personally seen any videos that use it as punishment. Of course, you could choose to play Cock Hero where you just have to keep stroking...
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what is actually consider a ruined orgasm i don't know. but i do know how to release the cum without orgasm.

you can do it by going past the edge while relaxing your dick and stuff. and depending how much you go past is how much will be released. relax and resist the orgasm spasm. easier to learn after you've built up a lot of fluids trough edging. but once you can do it. you can do it until you are drained.

you can even make it shoot if you flex your dick while you're releasing
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book_guy wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:54 am A more real ruination would be from working like hell for hours on end to finally get right up to the edge of orgasm and then be DENIED in such a manner that (1) neither ejaculation nor orgasm is experienced but (2) the refractory phase is entered. Now that's a really ruined ruined orgasm.
Ouch! I'm not sure if it is even possible, but if so, THAT WOULD BE BRUTAL. :\'-(

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doremi wrote: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:40 am ... or the worst of all, keep stroking the cock vigorously during PHASE 3, i.e., after the orgasm.
Unfortunately that's the only really good post-orgasm punishment-based tease I've found, and I haven't personally seen any videos that use it as punishment.
Ashley Fires has (at least) one. It's kind of hot, to watch, not to experience. :lol: I think it's this one:
https://www.kink.com/shoot/10440
You could also search "Post Orgasm Handjob" on PornHub.
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doremi wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:12 pm
Ouch! I'm not sure if it is even possible, but if so, THAT WOULD BE BRUTAL. :\'-(
Yeah, it is. Chicks who are bad at blowjobs or handjobs do this to guys regularly, from what I've heard. I had a few girlfriends who were genius at making everything go wrong at exactly the wrong moment.
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book_guy wrote: Tue Aug 07, 2018 11:46 pm
doremi wrote: Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:12 pm
Ouch! I'm not sure if it is even possible, but if so, THAT WOULD BE BRUTAL. :\'-(
Yeah, it is. Chicks who are bad at blowjobs or handjobs do this to guys regularly, from what I've heard. I had a few girlfriends who were genius at making everything go wrong at exactly the wrong moment.
I have some telephone numbers here if you want them :lol:

On topic, I do not consider an orgasm with just 'no touching', but using PC muscles all the way to get the stuff out, a ruined orgasm. It is a bad orgasm compared to a continuous blowjob for example, but it is still a full orgasm.
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I honestly don't know if I can (internally, mentally) distinguish between ejaculation with or without touching. If I'm orgasming and ejaculating, there are only a few minor degrees of difference between "really great" and "very good" and those are about the only two options, and otherwise it all feels like "good" on the nerves ... all of them. If my eyes are closed, then I do not know if I shot a long way or a short way, or if (at the exact moment{s} of finishing) there were full nerve-engaged touches on certain portions of the dick or not. So, for me, if erotic hypnosis ever does engender an actual hands-free orgasm, I would (I assume) experience it as though it were a full during-the-fuck or during-the-whack-off orgasm. I don't yet know, EH having been thus far ineffective and HFO remaining elusive.

Not that this is entirely on topic but it's closer than it was a few posts ago.
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