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I was thinking of knocking out a 1 round 60fps CH after I wrap up my current project. My question is when we are making these videos, can we truly avoid making these files bigger and bigger? My current project without the reward round is at 6.2 gigs in 1080p. I know once we go over 4 gigs people start complaining and it becomes more difficult to upload them. Anyone here have any thoughts or comments on this issue? I am still learning what all these export options really mean in premiere.

I mean we have 1080p 25fps
the 29. whatever version
the 1080i version
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HEVC (H265) will certainly drop your file size (depending on how much time you want to fully devote your CPU to encoding). It can reduce file size by ~60%; however, the trade-off is that H265 requires a robust CPU in order to view and encode the videos.

1080i and 1080p refer to the way the images (frames) are displayed on your screen - interlaced vs. progressive.

1080i - each frame of video is sent or displayed in alternating fields. The fields in 1080i are composed of 540 rows of pixels or lines of pixels running from the top to the bottom of the screen, with the odd fields displayed first and the even fields displayed second. Together, both fields create a full frame, made up of all 1,080-pixel rows or lines, every 30th of a second.

1080p - each frame of video is sent or displayed progressively. This means that both the odd and even fields (all 1,080-pixel rows or pixel lines) that make up the full frame are displayed together. This results in a smoother looking image, with fewer motion artifacts and jagged edges.

1080p/60 represents the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (Enhanced video frame rate)
1080p/30 (29.9) is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (Standard live or recorded video frame rate)
1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second. (Standard motion picture film frame rate)

Progressive (1080p) is higher quality. Interlaced (1080i) is lower quality and has been utilized in the past to make up for hardware limitations. Given that you're already putting in the work to make an above average size+quality video (due to it containing more frames) it would make sense to take the time to make it 1080p.

IMO, if someone actually goes through the effort of making a large CH video, learning to upload a torrent is a relatively small (additional) barrier to entry in comparison to the other skills/resources required. If you ask for help I'm sure someone will reply. I wouldn't worry too much about file size. There's already a significant percentage of people who start a CH and never finish it or are forced to abandon their plans because they don't realize how much of an undertaking it can be. Bottom line - people can always find a way to complain about free porn.
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For me file size isnt really a concern, quality is. I would prefer a huge file size with excellent quality over a compressed file. I think this could be an issue as we progress to 4k being standard, possible with HDR as well, and I have already seen an 8k set a few years ago at CES show so that will be next, and maybe combined with VR the size will jump again.

But I have downloaded 100gb files from file sharing sites in the past and while a little patience is needed it isnt the end of the world.
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zenetix wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:59 am HEVC (H265) will certainly drop your file size (depending on how much time you want to fully devote your CPU to encoding). It can reduce file size by ~60%; however, the trade-off is that H265 requires a robust CPU in order to view and encode the videos.

1080i and 1080p refer to the way the images (frames) are displayed on your screen - interlaced vs. progressive.

1080i - each frame of video is sent or displayed in alternating fields. The fields in 1080i are composed of 540 rows of pixels or lines of pixels running from the top to the bottom of the screen, with the odd fields displayed first and the even fields displayed second. Together, both fields create a full frame, made up of all 1,080-pixel rows or lines, every 30th of a second.

1080p - each frame of video is sent or displayed progressively. This means that both the odd and even fields (all 1,080-pixel rows or pixel lines) that make up the full frame are displayed together. This results in a smoother looking image, with fewer motion artifacts and jagged edges.

1080p/60 represents the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (Enhanced video frame rate)
1080p/30 (29.9) is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (Standard live or recorded video frame rate)
1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second. (Standard motion picture film frame rate)

Progressive (1080p) is higher quality. Interlaced (1080i) is lower quality and has been utilized in the past to make up for hardware limitations. Given that you're already putting in the work to make an above average size+quality video (due to it containing more frames) it would make sense to take the time to make it 1080p.

IMO, if someone actually goes through the effort of making a large CH video, learning to upload a torrent is a relatively small (additional) barrier to entry in comparison to the other skills/resources required. If you ask for help I'm sure someone will reply. I wouldn't worry too much about file size. There's already a significant percentage of people who start a CH and never finish it or are forced to abandon their plans because they don't realize how much of an undertaking it can be. Bottom line - people can always find a way to complain about free porn.
Thank you for all of that information, trying to look all of that up was making my head spin. I definitely did not realize how much time this was going to take me. It really makes me appreciate the effort that others have put in. I am at the final round and with the amount of work I have put into this, I assure you that this will be completed. I don't know if I will be doing another one because it forces you to watch so much porn that it almost ruins the videos for me lol.
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VinDickDiv wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:06 pm
zenetix wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:59 am HEVC (H265) will certainly drop your file size (depending on how much time you want to fully devote your CPU to encoding). It can reduce file size by ~60%; however, the trade-off is that H265 requires a robust CPU in order to view and encode the videos.

1080i and 1080p refer to the way the images (frames) are displayed on your screen - interlaced vs. progressive.

1080i - each frame of video is sent or displayed in alternating fields. The fields in 1080i are composed of 540 rows of pixels or lines of pixels running from the top to the bottom of the screen, with the odd fields displayed first and the even fields displayed second. Together, both fields create a full frame, made up of all 1,080-pixel rows or lines, every 30th of a second.

1080p - each frame of video is sent or displayed progressively. This means that both the odd and even fields (all 1,080-pixel rows or pixel lines) that make up the full frame are displayed together. This results in a smoother looking image, with fewer motion artifacts and jagged edges.

1080p/60 represents the same frame repeated twice every 30th of a second. (Enhanced video frame rate)
1080p/30 (29.9) is the same frame displayed once every 30th of a second. (Standard live or recorded video frame rate)
1080p/24 is the same frame displayed every 24th of a second. (Standard motion picture film frame rate)

Progressive (1080p) is higher quality. Interlaced (1080i) is lower quality and has been utilized in the past to make up for hardware limitations. Given that you're already putting in the work to make an above average size+quality video (due to it containing more frames) it would make sense to take the time to make it 1080p.

IMO, if someone actually goes through the effort of making a large CH video, learning to upload a torrent is a relatively small (additional) barrier to entry in comparison to the other skills/resources required. If you ask for help I'm sure someone will reply. I wouldn't worry too much about file size. There's already a significant percentage of people who start a CH and never finish it or are forced to abandon their plans because they don't realize how much of an undertaking it can be. Bottom line - people can always find a way to complain about free porn.
Thank you for all of that information, trying to look all of that up was making my head spin. I definitely did not realize how much time this was going to take me. It really makes me appreciate the effort that others have put in. I am at the final round and with the amount of work I have put into this, I assure you that this will be completed. I don't know if I will be doing another one because it forces you to watch so much porn that it almost ruins the videos for me lol.
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@zenetics: that pretty much sums up the possibilities.

One thing to take note of for all those "quality"-junkies: your f*ckin eyes are not fast enough to see more than 60fps - actually most peoples eyes cannot distinguish between 24 and 30 fps - that's all placebo and industry trying to talk you into buying stuff you don't need. Problems only arise from the technology used: if your screen does not actually display the data in the suggested framerate, you feel like seing motion artefacts (not like with sports, rather like a stuttering animation, just very fast).

Then there are the codecs used: h264 and h265 give the best possible quality to size-ratio (h265 even better). The encoding options for "the good tradeoff" are pretty hard to find. With H264 I would suggest constant rate factor encoding, with a crf of 18 to 22 (18 takes longer to encode and should give a better ratio). The quality comes most from the motion estimation search pattern used - so select a pretty high one (the better the pattern, the longer the search takes, but the better your signal-to-noise ratio will get).
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I'm not an expert. But I thank those creators who keep each individual file UNDER 4 gigabytes, because file-system requirements for most Windows computers have a change-over at that size. If you want to make a video larger than that, you're basically asking me to cut it in half with a video-editor in order to watch it or store it on most of my encrypted remote-disk setups.
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Well it wouldn't be "any way you want it" if book_guy had to edit it just to watch the clip. Once it is done it will be offered in H265, 1080p, and 720p. I am at the final round but I got distracted today and spent hours trying to figure out how to add chapters in the video that a player could skip to in Premiere Pro. In the end I learned it would have to be done in shitty quicktime formats using specific players or encoded into DVD format then re-encoded etc etc. I hope to have the final release done this weekend.
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File size is no issue for me. I prefer huge file with great quality than compressed.
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I rendered my last project (no out yet) with H265 and managed to get an amazing quality for the size, about 60% of the size that I would have get with H264. Only thing is, I used adobe premiere to do so, and I don't know if any other software, except for Vegas, will allowed you do code in H265.

But if you can do it in h265, go for it.
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Caius Prepus wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:32 pm I rendered my last project (no out yet) with H265 and managed to get an amazing quality for the size, about 60% of the size that I would have get with H264. Only thing is, I used adobe premiere to do so, and I don't know if any other software, except for Vegas, will allowed you do code in H265.

But if you can do it in h265, go for it.
Handbrake (free) can transcode most things to H265, but it's distinctly different from Vegas/Premiere as it's main purpose is to transcode rather than edit.
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book_guy wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:02 pm I'm not an expert. But I thank those creators who keep each individual file UNDER 4 gigabytes, because file-system requirements for most Windows computers have a change-over at that size. If you want to make a video larger than that, you're basically asking me to cut it in half with a video-editor in order to watch it or store it on most of my encrypted remote-disk setups.
It's super duper crazy easy to solve the "4GB file size limit" issue on any Windows PC permanently with only a couple of steps. You will not lose any of your data or have to tinker with anything afterwards:

1. Start -> Run -> Cmd -> OK (this will open the command line)
2. Type:
convert c: /fs:ntfs
3. Press Enter. Enjoy your new 16TB file size limit.
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zoltan wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:35 pm It's super duper crazy easy to solve the "4GB file size limit" issue on any Windows PC permanently with only a couple of steps. You will not lose any of your data or have to tinker with anything afterwards:

1. Start -> Run -> Cmd -> OK (this will open the command line)
2. Type:
convert c: /fs:ntfs
3. Press Enter. Enjoy your new 16TB file size limit.
Wow, that's nice to know, thanks! I might not do it to my C: drive (seems drastic?) -- edit --- wait, my C: drive is already NTFS, not needed, done already! -- but I'll certainly try it out for my encrypted partitions (they act as "drives" according to Windows finder) and external plug-in USB drives and see what happens.

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