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Restarted and can't reproduce the boat thing. Weird!

Incidentally, what CH does the beach babes' clips come from? The one with the big purple "CH" in the middle of the beat meter?
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Pudknocker wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:49 am Restarted and can't reproduce the boat thing. Weird!

Incidentally, what CH does the beach babes' clips come from? The one with the big purple "CH" in the middle of the beat meter?
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Doonkin wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:38 pm Great Game Lots of fun! Yes, the ending didn't quite feel like an ending, and the direction was perfect. but if you go back to the first island and talk to the Girl there she basically tells you enough to get you where you need to be.

I personally enjoyed it a lot. Great Job for an new game designer. I look forward to what you do next. :-D
Awesome glad you enjoyed it!!
nerdchat wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:12 am To me, this game was really fun and intuitive (At least for me since I played ALOT of video games). The mechanics were pretty straight forward, and
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The open world concept is awesome, but in my opinion, there should have been a map in order to see where I am going. Can you add that in future titles? Also, please add in a cutscene if the players come in future titles. That would be cool. Plus, can you please make the costs for the abilities and spells lower? :-D
Otherwise, great job! I hope the next game would be just as great as this one or even better this one. :-)
Haha yea will lower costs on next update. Was there a special cutscene you wanted to see or just more in general?
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I really enjoy the way this plays and the concept. A few questions:

Is there a way to rez early game? i find I just restart if someone dies because I have no idea how to do an early game rez.

Do you have a full description of what the abilities do? Like I have no idea what Summer's Lick It spell does.

Is there any reason NOT to use Double Tap after you get it?

I've only just started, but I expect I'll have more questions about what all of the spells do. If you had a doc that explained what each one actually does that'd be amazing.

All in all I'm really enjoying this. Thanks so much for your hard work.
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OK so I gave it a go. Fun enough! :) Couldn't figure it out enough to really make a go at trying to "win" the game, just poddled about on the first island several times around and kept getting stuck in the same cycle of impenetrable computer dead-ends. Nevertheless, I feel like the thing works pretty good! Here are suggestions, no plot or strategy spoilers (I hope) mentioned but don't open the spoiler if you want to be sure.

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1. Tech issues.

a. As mentioned by other people, there's a problem with the right-arrow so I made sure not to touch that thing unless I was in the map.

b. I can sometimes see in the map a little funnier-looking outline around one or another cactus or other feature. The dithering (or whatever the official term might be) is not consistent with the landscape immediately around the feature, leaving a rectangular cut-zone. This tips me off that the feature was stuck there on top of the otherwise pre-existing landscape which serves as background, and then suggests to me that I ought therefore to investigate that particular feature for bad-guys or rewards or other secrets. I don't know if that's actually the case, but it LOOKS fishy and would be a cosmetic fix necessary to improve overall seamlessness of interface, although seems probably unnecessary for most levels of functionality.

c. I'm not able to save my status at any point. I have always had to go all the way back to the beginning and re-read the entire introduction (interaction in the airplane) over and over. DULL. Try to click through it as fast as possible. Yawn. Please, would you give us a way to SKIP the intro or, better, a way to SAVE so we can pick up where we left off? Or, did I just not figure out how to do that?

2. Gameplay issues.

a. I haven't figured out how to move about or engage in combat properly. I have no problem when I'm navigating the map (geez, it would be pretty tough NOT to figure out how to go left right up down!) but when I get into the first-person-interface I am not sure of the procedures. I click something but it does nothing? Then I click it again and it does it twice? Or what? Maybe there are some delays between me engaging a certain command, and that command beginning to function? Probably (as with, f.e., Warcraft, etc.) I have to pick a TARGET and an ACTION and maybe also a tool or implement. I tried to go through some of that, but it didn't ever really pan out how I thought it would. I don't see that the help-topics (are there any?) will re-direct me accurately into using my mouse and/or keyboard more efficiently, though the gal at the beginning does say "you look like you could use some help" (when she first changes bad-guy into different weaker bad-guy) and I thought that would be the occasion for me to be given a TUTORIAL about how to operate the controls. No such luck. So I'm left with questions, lots, about the interface. What does (for example) "focus" mean? I figured that would be a way to change the interface's focus, so that I could mess with settings on one character and then save them for that character and change over to messing with another character. But oddly, "focus" also seems to be a way of engaging in combat, as though looking a girl in her eye ("focus on that chick") will somehow cause her damage? Similarly, there are other buttons in that interface that are equally inexplicable to me, "spank" and "special" and so forth. I get to their sub-menus, but then it doesn't actually appear to me that any of the choices on the sub-menus are being engaged at all. I have played plenty Warcraft and various similar games with the typical character-based interface that you've presented, so it's not like I don't know what I am guessing it's SUPPOSED to be doing. Sorry, didn't work for me. :(

b. Given the fact that, as explained in item (a.), I haven't really figured out how to engage in the vast majority of the game's main events, I might simply be barking up the wrong tree here, but, presuming that I DID figure out enough to understand what I could or couldn't do ... I find that the question of whether or not to "bug out" (exit a battle) or to "combat" or to "spank" or whatever ... well, this is contrary to the intents of the game, isn't it? I mean, the idea that you can CHOOSE (if you have the character-strength or power) to AVOID interacting with the bad-guys and with their spells, doesn't that mean, you can in some ways MINIMIZE or even ELIMINATE the number of fapping videos you have to watch? Since the fapping-requirement scenes arise, essentially, as (among other reasons?) "punishment" for sustaining "damage" during a combat, the idea here is contradictory -- as though you're saying, "here's a porn video, now you should try to do what you can to avoid looking at the porn parts." Seems a basic principle is contravened somehow. I did see a LOT of the same scene over and over, and yes they're very hot scenes, and they are rather in-tune with the level of action that the bad-guy-girls are giving me, so that's well done. But a SUCCESSFUL attack means LESS porn? Wait, uh ... that's not right ...

c. When a fap-video pops up, it's really too fast in demanding that I get my stroking started. By my wristwatch it's taking, oh, an eighth of a second delay, between, in the first place, the bad-guy successfully delivering some kind of phenomenon that will force my character to undergo the fap-video; and then, in the second place, the first required strokes of the fap-video. Too quick! I would have LIKED to have been fapping to some of the hot scenes, but my hand and mind were engaged in video-game interface instead. My fapping takes place down here, between the thighs; but the video-game controls are up here, on the desktop. I suppose what I need is one hand for each. But that's problematic for at least two reasons. First, for me it's not exactly enjoyable, neither for the fapping nor for the video-gaming; my hands aren't able to do their thing accurately in either part! Second, though, it's also not exactly helping me get into the mood. I don't feel like, "Whoa, this video is really making me horny," since instead it's, "Whoa, the video is already starting? wait wait, I was distracted with whether my character was going to hold the dildo or not ... hang on ... oh whoa, the video is already ending again? Wow missed it ... oh I already saw that one anyway ...". It doesn't put me DOWN UNDER its spell, but instead it consistently REMOVES me from the spell of fantasy.

These are not major complaints. I think the whole thing seems rather nicely done, and if I'm offering suggestions, it's only because I want the final thing to be really really functional and top-notch for all of us. I'd say that the aims are coming along nicely -- to put together a video-game, which will be fun and enjoyable to play, during which there is also a set of cock-hero-type micro-challenges which contribute somehow to the macro-challenge of solving the puzzle of the whole larger Decadence Island setup.

But that points out something. You've created a video-game in which the fapping is subservient to the gaming, and therefore can effectively be ignored without any major detriment to the gaming experience. For me, I do wish it had gone the other way around, in which the fapping and horny experiences were prime, I was put into the "spell" of being lulled into a fantasy by the narrative and the interaction of the video-game, and the gaming was subservient to the ultimate goal of having the porn cause me an enjoyable sexy time with eventual release. In fact, I'm not even sure if this ideal of mine could ever be done -- would it ever be possible to make a video-game which is both played in the plot-wise character-based manner you've offered, while it also is really secondary to continual visual and auditory porn stimulation, and does not distract the viewer's train of thought? Maybe that's totally impossible. Immersion gaming ... immersion porn gaming ... whoa. Blue pill. :) For me, though, it would be a more exciting goal, to put gaming secondary to porn. I hope some day you'll be able to create a video-porn experience which includes some kind of gameplay; rather than what you've done here, which is vice-versa (perhaps necessarily so, given technical contraints), a gameplay-experience that includes some kind of video-porn.

Great job anyway! I give you a solid A! And if there's eventually something that explains the controls better, or I can figure them out or resolve them myself, then I'm looking forward to many more attempts!

Thanks for the product, looking forward to more changes and growth!
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Lanyx wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:55 pm Is there a way to rez early game? i find I just restart if someone dies because I have no idea how to do an early game rez.
Ari has the skill to save your game. So once you find her you can save your spot and don't have to keep restarting.
There is also a rez potion that can be purchased in the store, And once you get the rez scroll peyton can do it for 100 mana.
Lanyx wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:55 pm Do you have a full description of what the abilities do? Like I have no idea what Summer's Lick It spell does.
The Op has some main skill descriptions. Lick it would be like a defensive evasion type skill. Basically a buff that helps her avoid taking damage.
Lanyx wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:55 pm Is there any reason NOT to use Double Tap after you get it?
The hero's abilities are pretty straight forward each one better than the last. the other characters have pros and cons like summers baton fuck you might want to just use spank it in certain situations since baton fuck does like triple damage but also has a tendency to miss.
book_guy wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:14 pm c. I'm not able to save my status at any point. I have always had to go all the way back to the beginning and re-read the entire introduction (interaction in the airplane) over and over. DULL. Try to click through it as fast as possible. Yawn. Please, would you give us a way to SKIP the intro or, better, a way to SAVE so we can pick up where we left off? Or, did I just not figure out how to do that?
when you find Ari you can save your game.
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WatchItDry wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:54 pm
book_guy wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:14 pm c. I'm not able to save my status at any point. I have always had to go all the way back to the beginning and re-read the entire introduction (interaction in the airplane) over and over. DULL. Try to click through it as fast as possible. Yawn. Please, would you give us a way to SKIP the intro or, better, a way to SAVE so we can pick up where we left off? Or, did I just not figure out how to do that?
when you find Ari you can save your game.
Oh no I meant, I saved my game but it didn't save. I did find Ari. But after finding her, there doesn't seem to be a command or a thing that will make saving a game possible. The "saves" folder appears in the sub-folder where the app's .EXE file is located, but there's nothing in it that resembles a saved game, and there's no interface for me to re-start anything.

Anyway, thanks for your answers, and, great job! Looking forward to trying some more. :smile:
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WatchItDry wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:54 pm
Doonkin wrote: Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:38 pm Great Game Lots of fun! Yes, the ending didn't quite feel like an ending, and the direction was perfect. but if you go back to the first island and talk to the Girl there she basically tells you enough to get you where you need to be.

I personally enjoyed it a lot. Great Job for an new game designer. I look forward to what you do next. :-D
Awesome glad you enjoyed it!!
nerdchat wrote: Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:12 am To me, this game was really fun and intuitive (At least for me since I played ALOT of video games). The mechanics were pretty straight forward, and
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The open world concept is awesome, but in my opinion, there should have been a map in order to see where I am going. Can you add that in future titles? Also, please add in a cutscene if the players come in future titles. That would be cool. Plus, can you please make the costs for the abilities and spells lower? :-D
Otherwise, great job! I hope the next game would be just as great as this one or even better this one. :-)
Haha yea will lower costs on next update. Was there a special cutscene you wanted to see or just more in general?

I know it is a bit too late, but imo, I think a cutscene that shows up when you fail and another seperate cutscene when you come would be nice since it would make the game feel more "alive".
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In this game's case, you could have the sluts claiming victory over you when you lose to them via health loss and telling you the consequences of losing to them before the scene transitions to the main menu or a "game over" scene. As for the cutscene caused by coming, the scene could show the main antagoinst, in this case, jenna (?), appear and mock you or something before the "game over" scene appears. Of course, these are some of my ideas that are way too late at this stage. Perhaps you could add these type of cutscenes in the future?
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OK, from what I'm reading, this is a game and not a video file. That's pretty awesome. Seems WatchItDry is creative! But I haven't seen system requirements anywhere. Before I download the nearly 4 GB, can someone tell me what platform it runs on (Windows? Mac? Linux?) and whether there are specific versions of those it's supported on? (I mainly use Windows 10 64-bit.) How much RAM does it need? Will it run with any video card or are there some minimum specs? I was surprised to see no explanation of that in the original post.

Is the entire experience like playing a video game, or are there CH-like parts where you watch CH-like video while you stroke? Based on Cock Hero being in the name, I would assume there are elements of CH within the game. But even though there were "spoiler" sections in the original post, when I expanded them all it still didn't answer that question.

Also, for those of you familiar with the forum's index post I maintain (HD CH Downloads) would this be an appropriate fit for that list? I.E., if there are CH vids embedded in the game, do they include stroking instructions and an identifiable stroke sound that overlays (apart from but complimentary to) the music in the video?
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alchemi183 wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:37 am OK, from what I'm reading, this is a game and not a video file. That's pretty awesome. Seems WatchItDry is creative! But I haven't seen system requirements anywhere. Before I download the nearly 4 GB, can someone tell me what platform it runs on (Windows? Mac? Linux?) and whether there are specific versions of those it's supported on? (I mainly use Windows 10 64-bit.) How much RAM does it need? Will it run with any video card or are there some minimum specs? I was surprised to see no explanation of that in the original post.

Is the entire experience like playing a video game, or are there CH-like parts where you watch CH-like video while you stroke? Based on Cock Hero being in the name, I would assume there are elements of CH within the game. But even though there were "spoiler" sections in the original post, when I expanded them all it still didn't answer that question.

Also, for those of you familiar with the forum's index post I maintain (HD CH Downloads) would this be an appropriate fit for that list? I.E., if there are CH vids embedded in the game, do they include stroking instructions and an identifiable stroke sound that overlays (apart from but complimentary to) the music in the video?
Hey man! I currently have the game on my laptop right now. My rig is:
i7-5700HQ 2.7 gHz
Nvidia GTX 965m
16gb ram

Plus, my OS is Windows 10.
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As for the experience, it is an open world RPG game (and it plays like one as well) that uses CH videos during the fights with enemies. For example, when my character is attacked by a lvl 7 Beach Slut, most of the time a CH video would play. Based on what I heard, all of the clips come from CH videos, and all of them have a beat meter and sound of course.
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i'm wary of running unknown .exe's, what can you do to convince me this doesn't contain any malicious content?
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I think I've run into an infinite battle loop.
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In Jenna's maze area trying to get some of the toys on the right side, one of the Jenna Pets spawns in the hallway and I got stuck in that spot such that after a battle finished, the next one immediately started and I couldn't move away. After trying to move away 5 or so times I restarted from a previous save.
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lestrian wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:56 am i'm wary of running unknown .exe's, what can you do to convince me this doesn't contain any malicious content?
He probably can't do anything to specifically ease those concerns. Seeing a dozen reviews and feedback posts was what gave me the courage to do it and I'm thankful I did!
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My biggest issue is that the party seems to attack out of order

I am still enjoying the game, the only thing that I have found is that there seems to be an issue with the amount of damage done by the party. The damage always decreases as it moves down the party. It starts high then moves significantly downwards. By the end you are dealing either 0 or missing. There also does not seem to be a system in place that makes the damage relative to the level of the enemy or the player. I know fuck all about making a game, but you are on to something here. For a first release this is quite solid my friend.

Yup, I just put my nerd hat on and completely moved past the porn and for that I do apologize.

On the CH side of things I would have to agree with what everybody else is saying where we need WAY more videos. I see that you went for themes on the islands which would really limit the availability of videos per island because there are only so many CH videos out there with these themes. As previously mentioned by BookGuy, the short clips are what is killing the CH side of things. I find myself just playing the game and ignoring the clips because they are so frequent, short, and repetitive.
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alchemi183 wrote: Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:37 am OK, from what I'm reading, this is a game and not a video file. That's pretty awesome. Seems WatchItDry is creative! But I haven't seen system requirements anywhere. Before I download the nearly 4 GB, can someone tell me what platform it runs on (Windows? Mac? Linux?) and whether there are specific versions of those it's supported on? (I mainly use Windows 10 64-bit.) How much RAM does it need? Will it run with any video card or are there some minimum specs? I was surprised to see no explanation of that in the original post.

Is the entire experience like playing a video game, or are there CH-like parts where you watch CH-like video while you stroke? Based on Cock Hero being in the name, I would assume there are elements of CH within the game. But even though there were "spoiler" sections in the original post, when I expanded them all it still didn't answer that question.

Also, for those of you familiar with the forum's index post I maintain (HD CH Downloads) would this be an appropriate fit for that list? I.E., if there are CH vids embedded in the game, do they include stroking instructions and an identifiable stroke sound that overlays (apart from but complimentary to) the music in the video?
This is a windows game it is made with rpg maker. I couldn't find any information on how to figure minimum system requirements. But I'm assuming if you can run rpg maker you can run its games. So their requirements are:
Minimum System Requirements
Recommended System Requirements
OS
WindowsR 7/8/8.1/10 (32bit/64bit) or Mac OS X 10.10 or better
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CPU
Intel Core2 Duo or better
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RAM
2GB or moreMay need 4GB or more to run
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HDD
Installation needs over 4GB
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Graphics
Compatible OpenGLR
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Display
1280x768 or better

As for experience it is overall more like an rpg game than a CH. This is not saying it does not have its CH elements. On your search for Jennaa you'll encounter bosses with full CH rounds which must be overcome to move forward. And ultimately you'll fight Jennaa whom if you are able to defeat will get a CH reward round with countdown.

As for your index I'm unfamiliar with it. There are full ch rounds and reward rounds embedded in the game. But it does not play like a typical CH narrative experience. It's more like you're playing a game in order to train your hero and prepare to play the CH PMV.
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