How Real Is Porn

[book_guy]

How real is porn?

This is a wide-open broad-ranging inquiry I often have in my own mind, and I'm sure other people wonder about it, too. How real is porn? I guess I mean to ask not so much, how real are the acts -- I believe they did take place; most of them are obviously real films of real events, and the few fake events (example, giant cocks that spurt forty gallons of confectioner's icing sugar) are so obviously fake that I don't feel like they need to be inquired into. So, what I guess I mean is, how real are the EMOTIONS in porn? By that question, I mean to ask a lot of the implied but unstated other questions behind that question, questions such as but not limited to these below ...

• Do the girls really like it (sometimes)?
• Do the guys and girls get off and enjoy the sexual stimulation? Aside from the actual act of ejaculation, how much else for the guys is enjoyable and how much is totally not something he wants ever to have to do again?
• People who do the less vanilla acts that aren't extreme (like, f.e., anal; or double-penetration; or simply, chicks with dicks, for example) are they doing that act solely because the scene has a higher rate of pay, or because they're actually kind-of interested in that kind of act so it doesn't bother them as much as it would bother someone who has totally vanilla preferences, or is there a mix, or what?
• Do the people who do the fucking in porn actually have that degree or level of turn-on, whether for the ACT or for the PARTNER?
• When a girl is doing something that (I generally presume) doesn't often happen in "real" life but happens a LOT in porn movies (example: gang-bangs; bukkake taking 100 facials; public-sex tied to a sybian blowing ten different men) is the girl getting paid a lot more for the scene, and does she enjoy it more or less, and how much of her decision to agree to do the scene is based on her ACTUAL turn-on as opposed to her desire for the cash, the notoriety, the porn-starlet-points that will get her more jobs in the industry, etc.?
• When a bondage or kink scene is filmed, how much danger does the girl THINK she is actually in, as opposed to, how much is just acting?
• Same bondage or kink, how much of her expression of PAIN is actually real? I presume that they have a safe-word which she can say to stop any scene at any time, but if so, how the fuck is she going to SAY it if her mouth is stuffed with her panties and a ball-gag?
• For the filming of "forced orgasms" that are intended to appear so numerous or so intense that they're (supposedly) painful to, and unwanted by, the recipient performer who is experiencing them, how many of them are actually unwanted? Or, how many are actually orgasms at all?
• When men perform gay porn, are they necessarily GAY men or are they just behaving as though they're gay, performing the act that makes them appear to enjoy having male sexual partners?
• When women perform lesbian porn, are they actually turned on by having female sexual partners? Or is it more like, a "less dangerous" or "more tame" version of having sex with males, for some of them? (And if the latter, then, what does that tell us about the very concept of sexuality in the minds of those women? And of women in general?)
• When you see a "casting" video, and the chick acts like she didn't know she was going to be asked to do a porn shoot, did she REALLY not know she was going to be asked to do a porn shoot?
• Later in the "casting," when she seems SO damned into the fucking that she simply can't get enough, is she REALLY into it that much, or is it (again) acting? Or maybe her first experience with ecstasy or a similar sex-enhancing drug?
• How many of the porn videos out there in "mainstream" porn sites (like, think, Pornhub or Spankbang) are actually films of women who did NOT want to be filmed but because of their life-circumstances (need for money; hooked on a drug; need to please a pusher, blackmailer, whatever else) or because they've been trafficked, or kidnapped, or you-know whatever else?
• How many of the chicks who do point-of-view blowjobs (without any other action; simply, they are there at the foot of the bed between the guy's legs) and seem to "enjoy" that act of controlling the male response, are actually having what they would call an "enjoyable" experience? As opposed to, how many are acting like they enjoy it because otherwise they won't get paid?

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Really, that's a long list, but it's just examples. How much of the ENJOYMENT in porn, is actually REAL and how much is COERCED and how much is NON-COERCED (rather, it is willing, voluntary) ACTING? I don't really know why I want to know ... but somehow, I really want and need to know ...

[bhlombardy]

Forget porn for a minute... 99% of WOMEN fake their emotions in bed. While I'm sure they enjoy themselves, they often over embellish themselves during the act (and it's called an "act" for a reason")

As for porn itself, it's 'entertainment' pure and simply. If you resolve yourself to appreciate that a very HIGH percentage of what you see on TV, Movies, and online is scripted and acted to incite audience attention -- then you can more and more appreciate that what you're watching isn't usually genuine. Even the nightly news... while I'm not saying that the news itself is fake, but the way it's delivered, the personalities chosen to deliver the news, and their vocal and facial expressions are carefully selected and heavily directed to make the presentation more appealing to the audience.

And PORN is no exception. While the intercourse is apparently real, the way it's being delivered on camera is pure fabrication, a production of writing, directing, acting and editing.

If you've ever seen out-takes from ANY of these forms of media, you'll realize how much effort goes in to making sure what the audience sees is what they WANT you to see.

I've seen enough out-takes of porn where they turn on and off their acting methods like a lamp. Some have a very good range -- and some (most?) not so much. Some actresses in porn turn me off because they do the EXACT SAME things in every scene they've ever filmed. They can't act, and it shows.

While I'm sure there is the occasional GENUINE expression caught on camera... I would say that this is a VERY LOW percentage.

[stkk2]

I agree with bhlombardy. I assume most of it's fake, but I place it probably more like 95% than 99%. For one thing, I think a lot of what happens in porn is probably very uncomfortable for at least one of the partners. Being fucked hard in the ass by someone hung like a horse isn't something I think most people truly want at all times, and that's really a big part of the problem. It's so unrealistic because it's always 1000% percent hardcore, with very little buildup. That said, I've thought about this question a bit as my own tastes run counter to what's commonly produced. I particularly enjoy candid amateur vids because they're much more likely to be real. I'm not saying the partners shown there are any less likely to fake it, but they often don't have the motivation to fake it that porn stars do. Take, for instance, this video http://xhamster.com/movies/845485/tight ... bates.html ...one of my faves...is it real or fake? I don't know, but I have a guess...

What do the rest of you think?

[crazyxxx]

I assume 95% or more of it is fake and I guess the pornstars take some drugs or poppers or painkillers or drinks to help with the pain and the acting. Also, I wouldn't be so sure about "amateur" porn. It's still a business and I remember watching some documentary about how big porn companies have discovered the niche and are doing "amateur" porn themselves. So, if big porn companies can make "amateur" porn, does it still even matter?

Another thing: if you want to see how the cam models work, watch one of the episodes of Homeland's last season. There's a couple of scenes showing a big room divided into small cubicles, each arranged like a normal room (think Ikea shop) with a girl and a cam. It was just a big farm of girls in cubicles.

[jackstock]

Your questions are super fascinating. But it's more of a grey area. They mostly do it because they like it and they are good at it.
But not as much as normal sex unless they have a "thing" for voyeurism (which would turn them on having that camera on them).
The people in porn are having sex just for the camera. All the angles show penises as much as possible, while showing off the girls bod as much as possible, typically.
This means that they're having sex without touching bodies much (to show it for the camera), meaning they arent really getting into it all that much.
All of this performance-based stuff isnt very relaxing, which takes away from enjoyment, meaning its usually not as good as the real thing. That relaxation is actually a key point for good sex, for both men and women. Additionally, if not relaxed, a man usually wont stay hard, and a woman will not stay lubricated and will not relax her vaginal muscles enough. (Though the talent have an unusual aptitude with their sexual organs so you dont notice this)

Are they enjoying it? The short answer is "usually sort of"

[book_guy]

Yah, thanks for the thoughts, dudes.

I wonder, why do I feel like I NEED to know, about what is real or not, so much? I sometimes just have a craving to really dig behind the scenes and get a fuller sense of, ya know, what it is that makes those hot chicks tick. I really just want to know about the chicks, not the dudes, and I really just want to know about the chicks in porn who definitely turn ME on, not all the chicks in porn. Maybe I'm just fantasizing that "if only" I could "figure it out" I'd be able to get them to lay ME as well as those dudes in the porn movies. Maybe it's just an extension of that thought.

I mean, I damn well KNOW that my act of looking at porn is a fantasy, an experience in making things up inside my head, a pro-active way of me getting a certain positive experience on the basis of certain types of avoidances, like suspending my disbelief or stopping the thoughts about how I would really have preferred a REAL girlfriend who looked as good as the hot girl in the movie. I (like 99% of porn's male hetero consumers, the world over) want the experience to be totally realistic and would prefer it to be real, but I can't GET the real version as easily, or as readily, or as safely, or as regularly, or as reliably, etc. etc., so, I go for the movie version instead. There's a lot more to it, of course, but maybe there's something in my head about NEEDING to know that the woman WANTS to blow me ... WANTS me to get off on her ... etc..

I wonder, though. Maybe I just distrust the whole universe and I need to see through to backstage, get behind the scenes, screw things up, mess up the illusion.

Hmm ...

[SeeMeFeelMe]

Forgive me for not reading all the comments that have already been made but I feel like I should weigh in.
I happen to be pretty close friends with women who currently work in or have worked in porn and I'll answer the questions to the extent of my knowledge.

Do the girls really like it (sometimes)?
Yes but it's really dependent on the type of scene and the girl. Are there women who do scenes they aren't really into? Absolutely. Are there girls that will do a fetish scene and very much enjoy it? Certainly! I'd say, so long as you're looking at a reputable, major company (like kink.com for example) odds are the women who are there want to be there.

Do the guys and girls get off and enjoy the sexual stimulation?
Depends on the girl depends on the scene, it's really hard to know...but you can kinda tell.

Aside from the actual act of ejaculation, how much else for the guys is enjoyable and how much is totally not something he wants ever to have to do again?
Depends on the dude, I know guys that really enjoy the banging it out process....but at the same time if it goes on too long, or you're not feeling it that day....it can feel kinda rough. (again you can kinda tell)

People who do the less vanilla acts that aren't extreme (like, f.e., anal; or double-penetration; or simply, chicks with dicks, for example) are they doing that act solely because the scene has a higher rate of pay, or because they're actually kind-of interested in that kind of act so it doesn't bother them as much as it would bother someone who has totally vanilla preferences, or is there a mix, or what?

This is very dependent. Fetish scenes do pay several thousand dollars more (depending) but most gals don't sign up for that shit unless they're into it or curious about it. If you see a gal do a fetish scene more than once.....they're likely into the concept (maybe not each and every scene, but the concept).

Do the people who do the fucking in porn actually have that degree or level of turn-on, whether for the ACT or for the PARTNER?
A lot of these people are pros, they'll talk about things before hand and know how to work with one another, and of course there's some acting that goes on (you can kinda tell)

When a bondage or kink scene is filmed, how much danger does the girl THINK she is actually in, as opposed to, how much is just acting?
She knows she's not in any real danger. That's one of the most important things that is made clear before filming begins: That the actress is in control at all times and can stop anything she doesn't like. That being said, the gals you see doing the really really high quality hardcore stuff are into it, they like the role playing aspect of it (99% of the time).

Okay I think that's all I've got time for right now. Ultimately it's a person by person thing, but usually you can tell if they're actually digging it....a lot of the high quality kink stuff is what that person is actually into or curious about...with the lower budget stuff that isn't alllwaaayss the case (unless you see that check do a bunch of that kinda stuff).

Anyway, hope that helped!
-smfm

[crazyxxx]

I wonder, why do I feel like I NEED to know, about what is real or not, so much? I sometimes just have a craving to really dig behind the scenes and get a fuller sense of, ya know, what it is that makes those hot chicks tick. I really just want to know about the chicks, not the dudes, and I really just want to know about the chicks in porn who definitely turn ME on, not all the chicks in porn. Maybe I'm just fantasizing that "if only" I could "figure it out" I'd be able to get them to lay ME as well as those dudes in the porn movies. Maybe it's just an extension of that thought.

Isn't that just something like (forgive me the word) fanboying? If you were a big fan of e.g. Nicki Minaj, you would like to learn everything about her, her thoughts and opinions, her private life etc. Maybe that's the same (or similar) thing with the pornstars in your case?

[book_guy]

I wonder, why do I feel like I NEED to know,

Isn't that just something like (forgive me the word) fanboying?

Yeah, definite possibility, interesting concept there (and the word isn't a problem, either). I'll put that in the hopper and hop on it ...

[AliceInBondageLand]

There is nothing fake in my movies, models do what they love doing or they don't make the movie, everyone is involved with choosing their partners, the activities, etc.

Real life kinksters doing what they really love.

When I started, that was rare and "revolutionary" enough that I won a whole lot of awards... since distribution models have become more accessible, there are more independent producers taking this approach, but very few of them are making much of a living at it.

#payforyourporn & support your favorite models if you want the innovation to continue!!!

[psycho_bob]

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[Quiet Linda]

I agree with Alice.
Many people in "porn" really like doing what they are doing.
It should be obvious to a careful observer to tell faking from not.
I am very sorry if your girl friends "fake it".
Maybe you are missing something.
I am called Quiet Linda because when I cum, I scream!
Laughs

[edgeallday]

Fetish scenes do pay several thousand dollars more (depending) but most gals don't sign up for that shit unless they're into it or curious about it. If you see a gal do a fetish scene more than once.....they're likely into the concept (maybe not each and every scene, but the concept).

Ditto. There are dozens of BDSM/Fetish porstars who love their work. Some of them are active for more than 15 years, starting as subs at Insex... and now they're either topping or directing at Kink (Princess Donna, Lorelei Lee etc). These are random examples... there are dozens more.

Yeah I suppose bdsm probably isn't something most people are going to do repeatedly just for money. The reactions/emotions have always seemed a lot more authentic to me in most bdsm porn too, which is a big part of why it's so hot! The offputting acting in porn for me is usually when they are pretending to be enthusiastic to hide their boredom. I guess it's harder to be bored when someone is messing with your head, saying fucked up things, inflicting pain on various body parts, tying you up so you can't move, or other fun stuff like that. There are of course some people who enjoy making vanilla porn too, and you can usually tell when you see it. It seems that's more the exception than the rule though...

It's interesting they get paid that much more for bdsm too since I would have thought it was much less popular than vanilla porn. More kinky people pay for porn I guess? Or just oversaturation of vanilla porn?

[rebekeplex]

If it wasn't for @edgeallday i wouldn't had noticed it existed and that would be a pitty. Aside from wondering how few responses it actaully has, i would like to add few words. Maybe more than few.

A lot has been stated already tho...

Back in the day i was browsing youtube and i got recomended some documentary about the porn industry. It was about some blonde meth-head pornstar doing porn to have money for meth and so on... after about 15 minutes i felt so fucking bad about the whole industry and it made me quit watching the documentary (i looked for it before i started writting this, but couldn't find it). Those +- 15 minutes were enough to shift my oppinion about porn from "wow, nice" to "oh crap". And ever since i started noticing how the female pornstars "act" and how believable is their performance in my eyes.

Let's start with females "faking" or "not faking" orgasms in porn. When they don't squirt, you basically have no evidence to prove or disprove whether or not they fake it. Somebody can argue that the body shivers and spasms are a proof (which can be true but doesn't have to be, since a dick can also twitch without orgasm), but it's at least questionable. I hate it when they overact and start screaming like hell to "pinpont" that they just had an orgasm, which again might be faked. Maybe it's written in the script, who knows...

Another thing is the acting itself. I don't usually watch porn to see some outstanding acting performances, but when it comes to forced / unwanted sex or the "rape fantasy" genre, the girls are just awfull at acting. I mean it's hilarious how unrealistic their behaviour is, compared to how they would react if the situation was not staged i.e. real. I was thinking about it and i came to 2 possible reasons for this:

1. they can't act
2. they are not allowed to do much because of the safety reasons (like breaking the man's penis by accident)

you chose...
If the girls spent 10% of their revenue on acting lessons, it would be benefitial for everybody.

Next is the kink / non-vanilla stuff. As somebody above mentioned, if the girl does it more than 1-2 times, she's probably enjoying it. It's good to have win-win situation, when you get your sexual desires fulfilled and shitload of money from doing it on top of that. The thing is, they might enjoy it regardless on what their expressions are (they might look like it's the worst experience in their lives, but deep inside they really like it).

Then there is the porn industry as "ruiner of standards". My top 3 pornstars looked better when they started with the porn than they do now - according to my prefferences of course. Namely Samantha Saint, Riley Evans and Tiffany Brookes. How many of these beauty "upgrades" they actually like and how many are just the demand from the industry. The top pornstars look basically all the same (except for height, skin color and face). I wonder if people who pay for porn (not me though) actually find it sexy. I'm not going to pretend that i wasn't all about big tits when i started watching the porn, but the prefferences kinda settled over the years and today there is very few pornstars that i find sexy.
Second part of this subtopic is the extremes of porn. There is a topic somewhere in the forum where some people were pointing out the fact that everything is taken to the extreme, especially the fetish-oriented porn production. I would prefer watch some mild femdom scenes instead of guy taking gargantuan dildo up his ass while his balls are stretched 20cm from his body by some torturing device.... (if you see the point there). I mean there are some sites where you can buy clips you like but they are way too expensive in my oppinion.


So how real the porn actually is ?

Apart from the role-playing and female orgasms, yes it is...